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I was looking at the Goodreads Choice Awards for this year and the nominees for YA Fiction all just seem terrible. It's either obviously romance, gay/tranny shit or "stronk non-white characters". Just look at how identical some of those covers are.
I have to say I don't really remember anymore what I read at that age but I know these wouldn't have appealed to me back then either. I also have not read one romantasy book in my life. If those are really the "popular" options, I am not surprised the kids (or boys) aren't reading anymore.
Are young people really reading those or is it still the arrested-development adult women? I thought they had "NA" and romantasy now, but who knows.
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I'm just kinda shocked by how many books there are in the mold of, "insecure Asian girl venting about not being as successful as her relatives/family friends."

Like I'm sorry that you didn't get into Harvard - most people don't get into Harvard. That's just kinda how it works.
 
I'm just kinda shocked by how many books there are in the mold of, "insecure Asian girl venting about not being as successful as her relatives/family friends."

Like I'm sorry that you didn't get into Harvard - most people don't get into Harvard. That's just kinda how it works.
it's kinda funny because I'm sure they only get published due to checking the right boxes, or nepotism.
 
I like how there's people coming out of the woodwork to tell Second Story that she's misunderstanding romantasy and modern heroes, never mind that there's a second video she did talking about why it is modern writing sucks as a whole which is why we have a problem with smut and boring protagonists.
Cartoon avatar, so probably something retarded, I just don't have the time atm to see if this Tumblrina genderspecial has anything of value to say (I almost couldn't type that with a straight face).
TLDW: Second Story is just a stuck up conservative looking to call anything sinful and if smut is all that sells well, then that's just capitalism baby!

Also comparing literal pornography to a panic over comic books and board games is so... un-self aware that it makes me more concerned, not less.
 
TLDW: Second Story is just a stuck up conservative looking to call anything sinful and if smut is all that sells well, then that's just capitalism baby!

Also comparing literal pornography to a panic over comic books and board games is so... un-self aware that it makes me more concerned, not less.
She panders to a specific audience and doesn't like being called out on misrepresenting stuff, like her Tolkein & Modern Fantasy video.
 
TLDW: Second Story is just a stuck up conservative looking to call anything sinful and if smut is all that sells well, then that's just capitalism baby!

Also comparing literal pornography to a panic over comic books and board games is so... un-self aware that it makes me more concerned, not less.
So, just a modern lolbertardian. Wonderful. As if we need more of these people around.
 
Apologies if this was previously posted here but I read this recently and it's a pretty fantastic breakdown of YA/SJW Twitter lunacy and what he calls the Sensitivity Era, plus he consistently name drops (and mocks) a bunch of people who were mentioned in this thread, including Rin, Ellen Oh, the Blood Heir drama, etc.. Definitely worth checking out for a light, fun read:


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What he claims to be a left-leaning type himself, he clearly hates what he calls the "far-left" and anything radical and extremist. I enjoyed it and if you were here for the early days of the thread you might as well.

(and no I am not Adam just a regular lit-loving fag who finds all of this both entertaining and horrifying so I'm glad someone had the balls to write a book on it and name names)
 
"insecure Asian girl venting about not being as successful as her relatives/family friends."
Xiran is the worse for this. I sort of feel for her because the hatred of women in her society/parents clearly got to her but then her book is the most misogynistic 'I dont want to be abused/treated badly therefore I must not be a woman' shit ever (which can be an interesting character arc, see Cersei Lannister, but Xiran is a tranny 'nonbinary' smug cunt writing shitty YA). Kuang's new protag is also a 'im not like other women' types.

Some minor Book adjacent drama - STICKERGATE. TL;DR, some sticker shop was faking emails from MAGA supporters hating on her, or something, idk. I can't watch Taylor Rose's videos, she's so fucking slow and mumbling and fumbling over her talking points, it makes you wonder if she even has a script or plan for her videos. There are some interesting drama videos on her channel but god you have to watch them on 1.5x. Get to the point woman.
 
Xiran is the worse for this. I sort of feel for her because the hatred of women in her society/parents clearly got to her but then her book is the most misogynistic 'I dont want to be abused/treated badly therefore I must not be a woman' shit ever (which can be an interesting character arc, see Cersei Lannister, but Xiran is a tranny 'nonbinary' smug cunt writing shitty YA). Kuang's new protag is also a 'im not like other women' types.

Some minor Book adjacent drama - STICKERGATE. TL;DR, some sticker shop was faking emails from MAGA supporters hating on her, or something, idk. I can't watch Taylor Rose's videos, she's so fucking slow and mumbling and fumbling over her talking points, it makes you wonder if she even has a script or plan for her videos. There are some interesting drama videos on her channel but god you have to watch them on 1.5x. Get to the point woman.
Oh don't even get me started on "dark academia" and other assorted azn gurl slop genres. Literal buglit for bug people.

Strangely enough, I never see the Asian dudes writing this shit. It's always slightly-based fantasy and sci-fi when they enter the ring.
 
the most misogynistic 'I dont want to be abused/treated badly therefore I must not be a woman' shit ever [...] Kuang's new protag is also a 'im not like other women' types.
I don't wanna be the thread's resident Kuang hater but this is so on point.
In 'Poppy War', the protagonist literally goes through a procedure to stop her periods. I'm not sure if they remove her uterus, but it wasn't a simple procedure and made her infertile. It actually made me think. You can't remove your character's femininity any more than that, besides plainly writing 'WOMENHOOD FUKEN SUKS!'. I am not even sure if she was conscious of what she put on the page and how it came across.

What made me think wasn't Kuang's dogshit writing, but I had seen this trope a couple times before and it made me think about how we are supposed to have female characters in fiction, specifically adventure fiction. Modern media demands female characters be featured in those roles in stories, but when you do it in a lazy way, you just end up with a poor imitation of male characters. You try to make it make sense a little bit and all your strong independent women end up chopping out their woman bits.

I wish there was more discussion on the Heroine's Journey. I don't even think the Hero's Journey is foolproof, but having a good template for women's stories that don't just remove femininity would be good.
 
Kuang has to be one of the most astroturfed modern fantasy writers, and it's something I've noticed whenever I happen to look at the list of Hugo nominees for the past few years. You see the same names cropping up again and again, which can only mean either there's such a dearth of talent that they have to pick a winner from the same half dozen authors, or that the whole industry is one big circlejerk .I'm inclined to think the latter. The other interesting thing is how many of these authors somehow manage to release a book every year, which I suppose is not impossible to do, but also points to the quality of said books if they're able to be put out so quickly.
 
Kuang has to be one of the most astroturfed modern fantasy writers, and it's something I've noticed whenever I happen to look at the list of Hugo nominees for the past few years. You see the same names cropping up again and again, which can only mean either there's such a dearth of talent that they have to pick a winner from the same half dozen authors, or that the whole industry is one big circlejerk .I'm inclined to think the latter. The other interesting thing is how many of these authors somehow manage to release a book every year, which I suppose is not impossible to do, but also points to the quality of said books if they're able to be put out so quickly.
Eh, there's still better names to push. Kuang is absolutely astroturfed. I never see anyone talking positively about her work in a way that isn't parrotting reddit.

I mean, there's also just more names beyond Brandon Sanderson and the reddit club. It's wild seeing people act all amazed when they find out that there was more classic fantasy than just Tolkein.
 
Audra Winter is now Milo Winter.

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Lol what a mess. Milo of all names. God bless this autistic woman and her 4D chess move to twist the retarded leftie booktok drama channels into knots when they have to call her 'him.' Or will they go full transphobe? Let's find out.

whenever I happen to look at the list of Hugo nominees for the past few years. You see the same names cropping up again and again, which can only mean either there's such a dearth of talent that they have to pick a winner from the same half dozen authors, or that the whole industry is one big circlejerk .
Don't you remember the 2023 chyna controversies?
 
Eh, there's still better names to push. Kuang is absolutely astroturfed. I never see anyone talking positively about her work in a way that isn't parrotting reddit.

I mean, there's also just more names beyond Brandon Sanderson and the reddit club. It's wild seeing people act all amazed when they find out that there was more classic fantasy than just Tolkein.
If you ever want to have a laugh, go on r/fantasy and look up reviews of Kuang's books. They always start with "I'm a massive Kuang fan, but..."

Don't you remember the 2023 chyna controversies?
That was hilarious because it turned out the CCP wasn't even the issue, it was a whole bunch of Americans. They even altered some of the rules at the next Hugos so Xiran Zhao could win "rising star", which I'm 100% sure she never would have done if she hadn't been taken off the shortlist at the China awards. Ironically, they actually did her a favour in a way.
 
Ok, I guess I am the Kuang hater.

Someone on r/redscarepod made a post about Kuang. It's been years since I've read The Poppy War, and I can't believe I forgot so much ridiculous shit.

Some highlights
  • Chinese people in this story unlock their racial superpowers by smoking opium.
  • In book 2, Kuang randomly inserts a scene where the characters discuss Europeans having larger dicks than Chinese men (for context, "Hesperians" are her stand-in for Europeans and "Nikara" are Chinese):
“Have you seen their penises?” Kitay asked.

Rin nearly spat out her fish. “What?” He gestured with his hands. “Hesperian men are supposed to be much, ah, bigger than Nikara men. Salkhi said so.”

“How would Salkhi know?”

“How do you think?” Kitay waggled his eyebrows. “Admit it, you’ve thought about it.”

There is also some stuff about her getting attacked for dating white men (of course she does, and of course she whinges about it, rather than dismissing the criticism like a normal person. Honestly it's what I'd expect from a lolcow)

The way the post ends is a great summation: "This is who the media is trying to position as a literary thought leader nowadays."

R.F. Kuang is one of the top bestselling authors at the moment and she's known for churning out novels that blow up on "booktok". She's been trying to angle herself as a serious figure in literary fiction recently - she even got a glowing profile in [The New Yorker](https://archive.is/IK2x8) suggesting that she should get a Booker prize.

Kuang's writing is extremely heavy-handed and frankly quite shallow. For example, *Babel* is supposed to be this "dark academia" narrative set at Oxford University exploring the evils of British imperialism, but Kuang chooses to write multiple scenes where the ethnic characters complain about the food in England not being spicy enough:

>For a country that profited so well from trading in spices, its citizens were violently averse to actually using them; in all his time in Hampstead, he never tasted a dish that could be properly described as ‘seasoned’, let alone ‘spicy’.

The premise of *Babel* is a group of Black/Chinese/Indian friends at Oxford working to destroy the British Empire from within. The story is supposed to take place in 1830s England, yet the characters talk about colonialism using modern jargon like they're Tumblr users in 2020. This is an actual quote from the book:

>Ramy glanced sideways at him. ‘The British are turning my homeland into a narco-military state to pump drugs into yours. That’s how this empire connects us.’

There's also Kuang's *Poppy War* trilogy, which is supposed to be a grimdark fantasy rendition of the Sino-Japanese War and the rise of Mao Zedong. Except... Kuang is a turbo-liberal who hates China and thinks Chinese people need to apologize for their "Han privilege". Here are some funny details about the *Poppy War* trilogy:

* The MC of *Poppy War* is literally just Mao, but Mao was a straight Chinese guy (that's Han supremacist patriarchy!!!). So Kuang rewrites Mao Zedong into a black-skinned indigenous Taiwanese woman addicted to opium.
* *TPW* revolves around the Sino-Japanese war, where Japan attacked China and massacred millions of civilians, but at the end of the 1st book, Kuang completely inverts the dynamic and has China commit genocide against Japan.
* Chinese people in this story unlock their racial superpowers by smoking opium.
* There is one (1) white female character in the trilogy, a nun named Sister Petra. Kuang has her MC (the black female Mao) torture the white woman to death - and Kuang frames the scene as a righteous and satisfying moment.
* In book 2, Kuang randomly inserts a scene where the characters discuss Europeans having larger dicks than Chinese men (for context, "Hesperians" are her stand-in for Europeans and "Nikara" are Chinese):

>“Have you seen their penises?” Kitay asked.

>Rin nearly spat out her fish. “What?” He gestured with his hands. “Hesperian men are supposed to be much, ah, bigger than Nikara men. Salkhi said so.”

>“How would Salkhi know?”

>“How do you think?” Kitay waggled his eyebrows. “Admit it, you’ve thought about it.”

* R.F. Kuang ends the trilogy by having her Mao Zedong stand-in commit suicide because he realizes the error of his ways. The Mao character just kills herself and willingly hands over power to the Kuomintang.
* Kuang's Mao Zedong character literally has zero ideology, despite the fact that communism was a crucial part of Mao's rise to power. Kuang just straight up refuses to touch the communism stuff with a 10 foot pole

So what kind of social causes does R.F. Kuang actually feel enthused about exploring? Well, in *Yellowface*, she writes a scene where her self-insert character (an Asian female author) gets "harassed" for dating white guys, which is supposed to be some great injustice. If you had any doubt that Kuang is terminally online, the scene literally mentions Elliot Rodger:



I think it's revealing that Kuang names her own self-insert "Athena". Also, that scene in Yellowface is literally based on Kuang's own experiences. In 2018, she published [a weird blog post](https://archive.is/5boCY) where she was defending herself for dating white guys, which she desperately tried to scrub off the internet. Direct quotes from it:

>I am aware of how my relationship with my white partner is situated in a long history of a) the emasculation and demonization of Asian men, and b) oppressive relationships between white men and Asian women. I understand the instinct to believe that an Asian woman who dates a white man must hate her own race. I *get* that.

>But see, you don’t get to tell me who I should date. You don’t get to make assumptions about my “racial preferences” when you don’t know me, you don’t know my boyfriend, and you don’t know a thing about our relationship. That’s misogynistic. That strips me of my agency because it purports to make my personal decisions for me.

>You certainly don’t get to tell me that I have “no standing” among Asians if I “sleep white.” I advocate with my words. I don’t advocate with my vagina.

Literally wtf is this self-victimizing, navel-gazing nonsense. This is who the media is trying to position as a literary thought leader nowadays.
 
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Do people actually buy AI books or are the buyers all fake? I genuinely can't imagine any sizable amount of people buying them, since from what I've seen the AI bots can't keep track of a story for more than a few paragraphs.
I think they just wait for a retarded person to get a book recommended by Amazon, buy it and place it among their Bruce Willis and Steven Segal direct to dvd movie collection.
 
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