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Mola Ram said:
The whole "if you're not speaking up and supporting this violent movement then you're complicit in killing black people" idiocy has made things exponentially worse. Everyone is on a hair trigger now, and the mildest transgression can get you killed.
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Some brave soul needs to stand up and say: “my one regret is that my words didn’t hurt more, in both intensity and volume.”
 
More on the YAcow who preemptively self-canceled. The mob still isn't happy.

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Relevant Twitter sperg from the author

Check out some of the Twitter replies to the official article announcement
 
Slowboat to China said:
I would read this. Bonus points for cheesy lines where the bad guy demands to know who serves/protects/backs up the main character and she says "Colonel Colt."

I would also read this. You definitely had me at Twelve Disciples of Demonic Cultivator Yeshua. Fuck, can we just start Kiwi Publishing Ltd.?
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SpeedOSanicRee said:
You know what, fuck it. We should all collab and ghostwrite something like this.

He's actually been somewhat reasonable lately. IDK what he did during GamerGate but he's been exposing the writing and publishing community for this shit for a couple years now at least.
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I was inspired by this thread.

LetterlandMafia said:
Does anyone here ever go on the r/fantasy subreddit? It's grim. If it's not some crying about the latest author cancellation or complaining about diversity or whatever, there's no meaningful discussion about fantasy whatsoever, just 'recommend me a book' or 'I read this'. It's not a complete hugbox and I do see opinions that don't conform to the norm get upvoted, but it's a good insight into the state of Fantasy. No direction, no interest, just people crying in a quiet room.
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Yes, unfortunately. If you like hearing the same five bestsellers bleated out ad nauseam, go ask for recommendations on r/Fantasy. Their literary tastes can be best equated to a seven year old who won't try anything except chicken nuggets at every restaurant his parents drag him to. And when anything else comes within sight of him he throws a tantrum, calls it disgusting, and has his mother feed him while he's playing on his Ipad. /tg/ and /lit/ are much better, despite the fact threads there usually devolve into rabid brawls. But it's worth it.

The mods are pissy little shits. I remember several occasions when moderators started their post with an extremely long list of points not to make, such as "quality matters more than diversity", and so and so, warning that an instant ban will await any poor sod who even explains why. Being Reddit, every last sentence radiated passive aggressiveness. Bitching, wailing, and strawmanning like you've never seen before.

My point is, if there is any lack of cultural diversity, it ought to be seen as an opportunity, not an excuse. If politicians have any bearing on your writing speed, GRRM would have finished The Winds of Winter during the Obama administration and lost half his weight while he was at it. Frankly, seeing these lazy sods weep into each others' shirts only incentivizes me to write more. The only things propping them up are false pretenses of sophistication , the persona of a tortured soul held down by the injustices of this world.

If grown men and women are slogging out subpar work because of this, wasting valuable word count wailing about politics Twitter, surely any Tom, Dick or Harry on this server can do a better job than them.

To all writers in this thread, I implore you to believe in yourself the way these people refuse to.
 
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whitepumpkin said:
So get rid of the woman and replace him with a man and now you got a constant display of a man experiencing pleasure. And I think that's the appeal for a lot of fujoshi's. It's not about the fact they're fucking each other in the ass (maybe it is for some but they kind of treat it like a pussy, so...) it's that you get to see the guy. Not only that but two guys at once and even though they're doing gay shit, you see more than the guy's money shot. So you get 10 minutes of just guys instead of 10 minutes of a woman screaming like a banshee and 30 seconds of cuts to some guy with no personality.
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I keep seing those kinds of explanations and "two scoops of what you like" and whatnot, and, like, if this worked that way at all, every single person ever would just watch gay porn. Obviously, not all women are fujos, nor are all guys into lesbians (I heard some* say only immature dolts are, but then it's not for me to judge),so?..

*I just had a lot more male friends in my life than girls till very recently. And no, just in case someone assumes, they weren't lying to spare my feelings.
 
UnsufficentBoobage said:
I keep seing those kinds of explanations and "two scoops of what you like" and whatnot, and, like, if this worked that way at all, every single person ever would just watch gay porn. Obviously, not all women are fujos, nor are all guys into lesbians (I heard some* say only immature dolts are, but then it's not for me to judge),so?..
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Well, normal people can usually get laid and those raised healthy can form bonds with their partner that lasts beyond the thrill of sex. Fujoshi's tend to be middle to low rate girls (Or uggos) who maybe get a pity fuck once but overall have nothing fulfilling in their lives, so they turn to gay fanfiction to get the love and desire they crave. Then instead of growing as a person, they spend their young adult years consuming fantasy YA books, gay porn, and tumblr/twitter shipping wars until they hit mid 30s and either have to double down on their nonsense or try to appeal now to 40 year old divorced dads with young kids, who they'll despise.

I mean at that point, you might as well just rework your garbage fanfics, change the name/file off the serial number and sell it as Urban Fantasy. Worked for Cassandra Claire.
 
PurpleEater said:
Relevant Twitter sperg from the author

Check out some of the Twitter replies to the official article announcement
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Is this some sort of masochistic twist on the old humblebrag?
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Some shitty book bought by YA librarians that no kid would read and would be forgotten in six months would hardly herald some sort of YA apocalypse that would return the entire genre to the days of the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew and Tom Swift, Jr. (More's the pity, possibly.)

DungeonMaster said:
The mods are pissy little shits. I remember several occasions when moderators started their post with an extremely long list of points not to make, such as "quality matters more than diversity", and so and so, warning that an instant ban will await any poor sod who even explains why. Being Reddit, every last sentence radiated passive aggressiveness. Bitching, wailing, and strawmanning like you've never seen before.
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They've already locked (I think) three threads (maybe more) about the Sam Sykes/Paul Krueger/Myke Cole/Scott Lynch situation. Especially since Lynch's wife, Elizabeth Bear, has been pushing back pretty aggressively on twitter about what a malicious, manipulative nutter Lynch's accuser supposedly is. The reason for the locking seems to be some people essentially saying they need evidence before they're willing to cancel somebody.

Mark Lawrence's accusations seem to have fallen into the abyss, curiously, since they were made by a bestselling author. But he is kind of a big deal on /r/fantasy, so I wonder if they're baleeting anything about him.
 
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Elwood P. Dowd said:
Is this some sort of masochistic twist on the old humblebrag?

Some shitty book bought by YA librarians that no kid would read and would be forgotten in six months would hardly herald some sort of YA apocalypse that would return the entire genre to the days of the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew and Tom Swift, Jr. (More's the pity, possibly.)



They've already locked (I think) three threads (maybe more) about the Sam Sykes/Paul Krueger/Myke Cole/Scott Lynch situation. Especially since Lynch's wife, Elizabeth Bear, has been pushing back pretty aggressively on twitter about what a malicious, manipulative nutter Lynch's accuser supposedly is. The reason for the locking seems to be some people essentially saying they need evidence before they're willing to cancel somebody.

Mark Lawrence's accusations seem to have fallen into the abyss, curiously, since they were made by a bestselling author. But he is kind of a big deal on /r/fantasy, so I wonder if they're baleeting anything about him.
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None of these people are big deals. They write books. But Scott Lynch is proportionally a much bigger deal than Mark Lawrence, as far as I can tell sales-wise.

Both of them seem like they do GRRM ripoff grimdark fantasy, which seems to be the new favored template rather than Tolkien.
 
DungeonMaster said:
To all writers in this thread, I implore you to believe in yourself the way these people refuse to.
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This was very inspiring, thank you.
Elwood P. Dowd said:
Is this some sort of masochistic twist on the old humblebrag?
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Some shitty book bought by YA librarians that no kid would read and would be forgotten in six months would hardly herald some sort of YA apocalypse that would return the entire genre to the days of the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew and Tom Swift, Jr. (More's the pity, possibly.)
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No offense lady, but you look like the stereotypical YA author. You weren't adding diversity.
 
Dafuqisdis? said:
Both of them seem like they do GRRM ripoff grimdark fantasy, which seems to be the new favored template rather than Tolkien.
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that's why I mostly stopped reading fantasy at this point, I can deal with shit books if they're at least entertaining, but this whole "fantasy walking dead with highschool-tier "drama" labeled as intrigue" is just fucking boring. bonus points for a gratuitous violence and other stupid shit to appear "deep and mature". nigga I've read about 100 man gangrapes of a perpetual virgin as mob punishment simply for being the evil kings magical fucktoy (this was unironically the villains backstory) as a teen, fuck off with your rape fanfiction that only serves as the authors wankfodder.

Piga Dgrifm said:
I can get a ten year old knowing something like "Mark's got two dads", but no kid that age should be calling themselves pansexual or gay, or straight for that matter. They haven't reached puberty, they aren't anything yet. There shouldn't be this pressure to find a label for your sexuality before you've even developed a sexuality in the first place. It's no better than trying to "cure" a gay teenager.
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but don't you know, if you don't teach them early how can kids choose what they like if they don't know about it? gotta stem the cishet patriarchy influence early!
(unironically how they tried to justify it in the 60s, I'm curious how they think it's gonna end this time with people having way less restraint than back then)
 
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Flaming Carrot said:
Looks like it's Elizabeth Bear and Scott Lynch

The accusation -


The rebuttal -


I know Elizabeth Bear was involved in something called Racefail, which I believe people are still made about. You can learn more here, but it is absolutely the most headache-inducing thing you will read all day.

RaceFail '09 - Fanlore

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I was curious whether Scott Lynch tweeted about it, and he did.
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https://twitter.com/scottlynch78/status/1276386304142512129 | archive of the bottom tweet | archive of the top tweet


He then tweeted another thread, starting with this:
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Too lazy to screenshot everything so here goes the rest of the tweets (https://twitter.com/scottlynch78/status/1276706354791677952 | archive)
Scott Lynch said:
1. I am extremely sorry that a set of tweets I made in anger last night sent some signals that justifiably raised hackles; several people have patiently explained to me that I was not expressing myself well or wisely, and I believe I should trust them.


2. I will not be deleting those tweets. Nobody forced me to post in anger and make an ass of myself, and if I unnecessarily and clumsily upset people then I get to take responsibility for that and eat the consequences like a grownup.

3. Last night, Alexandra Rowland posted a statement on their website concerning myself and my wife, Elizabeth Bear.

4. In 2015, after negotiations with my then-fiancee, I had a brief romantic relationship with Rowland, who had been a fan and reader with whom I'd become friends after a long correspondence.

5. While this was a consensual relationship between adults, it is also undeniable that there was still a power differential that I did not consider or adequately respect at the time. This was profoundly careless of me.

6. I initiated this relationship poorly, I had done no research into the ethics of polyamorous relationships, and I did not take responsible measures to keep my anxiety from influencing my decisions and making life very difficult for all of us involved.

7. I do not believe it's any minimization of Rowland's agency to say that there was a duty of care I did not meet. Regardless of what happened afterward, they did not deserve to be put in that situation in the first place.

8. Rowland has every right to be unkind to me in their version of events; I have merited some anger. I will assert, however, that their version of events differs from my own and from that of many witnesses present at the time.

9. I wish we had all been able to extract ourselves from this situation with more kindness and maturity, but we did not. I own my multiple failures here and I am sorry for the grief and wasted time we have all endured because of them.

10. My responsibility for a large share of causing this mess is not abrogated by my assertion that Rowland's statement elides their own abusive behavior, their gaslighting, and their failure to respect boundaries set by others.

11. Above and beyond that, Rowland’s statement contains several items that I would assert to be unequivocal falsehoods. I have never made any effort to silence them, intimidate them, or interfere with their career in any way.

12. Rowland blocked me on Twitter in 2017. I have respected that break of contact since. I have never, to the best of my knowledge, mentioned them or their books in public or attended their publicity events. I have maintained absolute silence and distance for almost three years.

13. Rowland’s assertion that Elizabeth Bear and I have a pattern of "grooming" "baby writers" for nefarious purposes is so grotesquely laughable I barely know what to say. I was furious about it last night; I take it absolutely seriously, and I deny it completely.

14. My relationship with Rowland was not part of a pattern. It was absolutely singular, the one and only time I have ever made such a poor decision in fourteen years as a published author, and I believe the evidence of my actions over those years is already speaking.

15. Certainly, the evidence of those actions is now being closely examined- by my agent, by my publishers, by my industry peers, and by the conventions and workshops I am associated with. All of this is good and necessary.

16. I can't speak to the reasoning behind Rowland's assertions. I have said that anger would be justified; substantial fabrications concerning myself and my wife are quite beyond that.

17. I will strive to remain calm, to move slowly, to take the counsel and advice of others, to judge my public statements more carefully, and to trust the evidence to continue to speak for itself.
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tl;dr he said he had a brief relationship with Rowland, but he didn't groom her.
 
Dirty Mug said:
tl;dr he said he had a brief relationship with Rowland, but he didn't groom her.
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Their preferred pronouns are They/Them. One week Twitter ban for you! REEEEEE! (Seriously, they are.)

If Lynch wasn't such a testicle-less faggot he'd have pointed out that she was they※ (edit: crap) were 25 when they§ did the horizontal bop. At what age does she (edit: crap) do they※ EXPECT to be able to give informed consent, precisely? 37? 51? When?

§ - I mean plural here. Do I say "Lynch and them" here? Implying an orgy?

※ - Singular here. As in Rowland only.

Being a respecter of pronouns is hard work. One week Twitter ban for me, also. 😕🤷🏼‍♂️😕
 
Elwood P. Dowd said:
At what age does she (edit: crap) do they※ EXPECT to be able to give informed consent, precisely? 37? 51? When?
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whenever she/xir/they/whatever feels like it. check your privilege shitlord (logic doesn't work on them anyway).

I think it's more concerning that those same people are allowed to vote, drive a car and potentially buy a gun - but apparently can't decide if they want to have sex with someone, something you usually learn as a teen.
 
ZMOT said:
whenever she/xir/they/whatever feels like it. check your privilege shitlord (logic doesn't work on them anyway).

I think it's more concerning that those same people are allowed to vote, drive a car and potentially buy a gun - but apparently can't decide if they want to have sex with someone, something you usually learn as a teen.
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These same people also think that if you’re a woman who likes to wear pants that means your some sort of non-binary creature that gets a special set of pronouns. The only thing more fluid than their genders is their grasp on reality.
 
Someone in a Tree said:
The mob is never happy. They are also never talented and hardly skinny.
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One smug non-apology from a fugly Bangladeshi crackbaby/cousinfuckerbaby.
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Is her cover photo fujo fanart?
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As for the adult babies crying at PW for giving an accurate truthful account of what happened including who the canceler was... if your stronk blaque wxmenz can't cancel someone without accepting criticism in turn... she is not so strong.
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Fat white cunt. Wouldn't want to piss her off! :chicken::neckbeard:
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Nice bald spot. Imagine if SHE was your teacher.
 
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The people who whine about appropriation are just upset that no one wants to steal their shit, nor will anyone ever be inspired by it.
 

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