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YA is basically writing about adult subjects in childish manner.
And yet it wasn't always like that. I remember years ago, an English supply teacher at my school handing out copies of The Pigman, by Paul Zindel, for us to read. I was so taken by the story that, after the lesson was over, I borrowed it from the library, so that I could finish it.

That book had something to say about the carelessly destructive nature of teenagers. The 30 year old + 'teenagers,' who comprise the most vocal YA editors and writers, would do well to read it, and absorb its message.
 
I don't believe her. Her turd of a book was just about ready to fall below a three stars average rating when the five star ratings started popping up. Closing in on 3.5. stars now. 86k YouTube subscribers and growing, too.

Link to Youtube "Community" post/ https://archive.md/Z7cdz
The Cyborg Tinkerer on GoodReads

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If you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, well, I guess lying is the only recourse.

Sadly, I haven't found a pirated copy yet. I guess the interest just isn't there. But the free sample on Amazon is beyond belief bad. It is like every trope of Woke SFF put into a blender and set on puree.

Also, are there any "booktubers" who can actually write? Even to the level of passable fan-fiction? I couldn't get into Yahtzee's books, but I can sort of see the appeal. But he's not a BookTuber, either.

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I don't go on GoodReads

....except when she does, apparently. 🙄

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Also, are there any "booktubers" who can actually write? Even to the level of passable fan-fiction? I couldn't get into Yahtzee's books, but I can sort of see the appeal. But he's not a BookTuber, either.
Honestly don't know of any, most of my Booktubers knowledge comes from the Farms or random drama that crops up elsewhere. I know the kaiju YouTuber Omni Viewer wrote books: one that's an homage to kaiju movies, another is a mystery-horror novel with classic monsters tasked with stopping a warlock opening the Gates of Hell (according to comments on his videos who've read it, this one's good), and the other's a dark urban fantasy. But according to him, all three books are a shared universe, which I think is a red flag but they still appear to be stand-alone titles. Been meaning to check out at least the horror one out of curiosity.

It'd be pretty amusing, but not surprising if Booktubers who critique books for a "living" were to pale in comparison to a geeky monster guy in a trilby and vest donned in monster pins.
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The last bit of YA fiction I remember reading and enjoying was the Pendragon series by D.J. MacHale. Has he been involved in any spergery?
 
I don't believe her. Her turd of a book was just about ready to fall below a three stars average rating when the five star ratings started popping up. Closing in on 3.5. stars now. 86k YouTube subscribers and growing, too.

Link to Youtube "Community" post/ https://archive.md/Z7cdz
The Cyborg Tinkerer on GoodReads

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If you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, well, I guess lying is the only recourse.

Sadly, I haven't found a pirated copy yet. I guess the interest just isn't there. But the free sample on Amazon is beyond belief bad. It is like every trope of Woke SFF put into a blender and set on puree.

Also, are there any "booktubers" who can actually write? Even to the level of passable fan-fiction? I couldn't get into Yahtzee's books, but I can sort of see the appeal. But he's not a BookTuber, either.

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....except when she does, apparently. 🙄

Want to read a steampunk romance for FREE?
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Something funny about Meg is that for some time she was advertising her book as a “number one bestseller” before the book was even released when really she was number one in a very specific sub-genre (sci-fi steampunk romance, I believe) and everything was in presales. It’s like saying you’re the number one in historical fiction alien porn. Sounds cool, but then again, you didn’t really have much competition.

I also believe she shopped this novel around, but nobody wanted it, so she decided to self publish.
 
YA has a super-small vocabulary. Most YA novels are about a Grade 3 on the Fleisch-Kincade and should actually be readable for the average 9-year-old.

Because of their fundamentally unchallenging and commercialized nature, YA books are latched onto by fandoms that consist largely of teeming hordes of emotionally stunted mental defectives. By the time you’re 22, you should be reading real literature with more disciplined prose and more thesaurus abuse, like Perdido Street Station, which contains such enlightened passages as, “His arse itched. He scratched under the blanket, rooting as shameless as a dog.”

For god’s sake, if you make a word cloud of the average YA novel, you will find that, like, the word cloud is mostly, uhh, “like”, “uhh”, “mostly”, and “the”. Where are the words? The big words? The ten-dollar words, like mellifluous and segreant? No, that’s not a misspelling of sergeant, you philistine. It comes from heraldry and it means a rampant griffin.

Or is that a rearing lion-eagle? I’m sorry. It’s so hard to keep up with the continuing degeneration of the English language.
 
Perdido Street Station
I am almost sure China Mieville only managed to write something without his usual bullshit for DC because someone was standing behind him and kicked him in the skull each time he tried to.

You can see I read three entire books of his and am still kinda miffed.
Ffs, if someone needs interesting fantasy and is able to ignore ugly gross (and literal) shit, they should go and read Clive Barker. A wonderfull writer, created great kiddie books, too.

The ten-dollar words, like mellifluous and segreant? No, that’s not a misspelling of sergeant, you philistine. It comes from heraldry and it means a rampant griffin.

Or is that a rearing lion-eagle? I’m sorry. It’s so hard to keep up with the continuing degeneration of the English language.
I am laughing, but this was a sad laugh.
 
No, that’s not a misspelling of sergeant, you philistine. It comes from heraldry and it means a rampant griffin.

Or is that a rearing lion-eagle? I’m sorry. It’s so hard to keep up with the continuing degeneration of the English language.
I too am concerned with the degeneration good Norman French has suffered over the past millennium.
 
I am almost sure China Mieville only managed to write something without his usual bullshit for DC because someone was standing behind him and kicked him in the skull each time he tried to.

You can see I read three entire books of his and am still kinda miffed.
Ffs, if someone needs interesting fantasy and is able to ignore ugly gross (and literal) shit, they should go and read Clive Barker. A wonderfull writer, created great kiddie books, too.


I am laughing, but this was a sad laugh.
Perdido Street Station was good, but something about The Scar really got to me. I still sometimes think about some of the imagery that I found disturbing.
 
Sadly, I haven't found a pirated copy yet. I guess the interest just isn't there. But the free sample on Amazon is beyond belief bad. It is like every trope of Woke SFF put into a blender and set on puree.
Out of curiosity I checked for and found it on mIRC, so its definitely out there. I'd attach it, but that's probably frowned upon.
 
By the time you’re 22, you should be reading real literature with more disciplined prose and more thesaurus abuse, like Perdido Street Station, which contains such enlightened passages as, “His arse itched. He scratched under the blanket, rooting as shameless as a dog.”
I was reading the Marquis de Sade when I was 12, and I ended up, well, about as fucked up as you'd expect.
 
Fleisch-Kincade

Flesch-Kincaid. Damn autocorrect. That’s another thing that’s ruining English. Man, the gall of the people who code these phone keyboards.

My keyboard just autocorrected gall to fall and I had to force it to use gall.

They autocorrect words that are already correct, to homogenize them into what the algorithm “thinks” is a more common sentence structure. This wouldn’t be a problem if people just used phone keyboards to piddle around and chat, but an increasing number of authors—YA authors especially, who embrace every silly new tech trend—are writing entire novels on their phones.
I was reading the Marquis de Sade when I was 12, and I ended up, well, about as fucked up as you'd expect.
No de Sade for me, sadly. I read the entire Lensman series and Ringworld around that age.

When you go back to the likes of E.E. “Doc” Smith, Heinlein, Asimov, Niven, Pournelle, Stanislaw Lem, and so on, and you compare them to what passes for writing nowadays, a rather striking pattern emerges. Newer books have a very simplistic vocabulary, as if someone has plucked the words out of our language and replaced them with a form of dumbed-down newspeak.

When Isaac Asimov came to the US, he was illiterate in English and had no money. He went on to write Foundation. Many of today’s authors wouldn’t be able to write Foundation if you beat them over the head with Webster’s dictionary. What happened?
 
I also believe she shopped this novel around, but nobody wanted it, so she decided to self publish.
Interesting. I think she has at least three videos on her channel about why she decided to self-publish, the advantages to self-publishing, etc. FWIW, her advice struck me as uniformly terrible, at least when it comes to self-publishing, but that's me. I've never published a novel and probably never will. The rest of her channel seems reasonable, honestly.


Out of curiosity I checked for and found it on mIRC, so its definitely out there. I'd attach it, but that's probably frowned upon.
Yeah, an EPUB is on ZLibrary now, too. Wasn't before. A part of me wants to torture myself and download it. We shall see how I feel.
 
Hearing about the mediocrity of the YA novelists makes me either glad that my prose can't be so bad or worried that my prose would be as bad as theirs.

Any examples of terrible YA writing passages?
 
Hearing about the mediocrity of the YA novelists makes me either glad that my prose can't be so bad or worried that my prose would be as bad as theirs.

Any examples of terrible YA writing passages?

Here's a good one @Elwood P. Dowd found a while back:

Sigh. As if I wasn't already embarrassed enough about reading YA dystopian fiction as a hobby, I stumbled across this gem:

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which had absolutely nothing to do with anything, and relates to a minor character.

Somebody who told me they felt like a woman when it was sunny and man when it was cloudy would not exactly inspire me to follow them on dangerous underwater salvage operations. But that's me, who didn't grow up in future genderfluid Madagascar. I don't think even Tumblr has come up with "Meteorological Fluidity," have they?
 
Hearing about the mediocrity of the YA novelists makes me either glad that my prose can't be so bad or worried that my prose would be as bad as theirs.

Any examples of terrible YA writing passages?

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Here's a good one @Elwood P. Dowd found a while back:
Thanks man!

Metrological gender fluidity? I feel like even a mental asylum patient would think this is crazy. I can at least see this concept work if it were hella sci-fi like aliens who switch genders based on the weather for some inexplicable survival reasons, but not human beings!

From the looks of it, the writing style doesn't seem too bad aside from the abuse of the 'I's and 'Me's and the endless cramming of objects and things that don't seem relevant. However, the dialogue here feels incredibly superficial, as if it were written by a older chick's or neckbeard's impression of how teenagers work. Aside from the blatant politics, a lot of the things the characters do here are incredibly boring and unrelatable in an NPC sort of way.

I probably have the wrong idea here, but still! Thanks for sharing this dump!
 
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Hearing about the mediocrity of the YA novelists makes me either glad that my prose can't be so bad or worried that my prose would be as bad as theirs.

Any examples of terrible YA writing passages?

I think this book is the gold standard of bad, well, everything. Writing, plotting, characters, dialog, setting. But especially writing and dialog. This book is truly beyond belief.


Not published by a Big 5 imprint, but Kensington is a publisher that is highly respected, and their books are distributed by one of the Big 5.
 
Thanks man!

Metrological gender fluidity? I feel like even a mental asylum patient would think this is crazy. I can at least see this concept work if it were hella sci-fi like aliens who switch genders based on the weather for some inexplicable survival reasons, but not human beings!
The depressing part being that the Scythe trilogy by Neal Shusterman is one of the better YA series I've read over the past few years. Quite good for what it was, and far better than I expected it to be. Recommended, if you're into that kind of thing. But that passage could have been excised at zero cost to anything.

His latest book, OTOH, is a mess of SJW pandering. There was a decent book in there somewhere screaming to get out but what was published? Yeeesh. Amusingly the group he is attempting to pander to screeched the loudest about it. See here and here. If GoodReads reviews and ratings can stand in rough proxy for sales, it is also shaping up to be a relative flop in comparison to his other recent books given the relatively low number out there a month after publication.
 
Flesch-Kincaid. Damn autocorrect. That’s another thing that’s ruining English. Man, the gall of the people who code these phone keyboards.

My keyboard just autocorrected gall to fall and I had to force it to use gall.

They autocorrect words that are already correct, to homogenize them into what the algorithm “thinks” is a more common sentence structure. This wouldn’t be a problem if people just used phone keyboards to piddle around and chat, but an increasing number of authors—YA authors especially, who embrace every silly new tech trend—are writing entire novels on their phones.

No de Sade for me, sadly. I read the entire Lensman series and Ringworld around that age.

When you go back to the likes of E.E. “Doc” Smith, Heinlein, Asimov, Niven, Pournelle, Stanislaw Lem, and so on, and you compare them to what passes for writing nowadays, a rather striking pattern emerges. Newer books have a very simplistic vocabulary, as if someone has plucked the words out of our language and replaced them with a form of dumbed-down newspeak.

When Isaac Asimov came to the US, he was illiterate in English and had no money. He went on to write Foundation. Many of today’s authors wouldn’t be able to write Foundation if you beat them over the head with Webster’s dictionary. What happened?
It’s more important to be “poetic” than it is to use a wide range of words. Alliteration, rhythm, slight rhymes, kennings, grammatic flair, all more important than vocabulary.
 
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