Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
I admit that I have gotten rid of annoying guys by talking way too much about uncomfortable topics.
That's the problem with dating people who are tangentially related to your friend group, you sometimes get set up on a date with a lemon, but you want to let them down gently so you don't upset the friend who tried to hook you up.
 
“You ever fantasize about murdering small African kids while breast feeding your father?”
I actually started talking about animals and veterinarian bills for my many many cats (I only had one at the time). Then I talked about making clothes and sewing, and he probably tuned out around the time I got to my thimble collection.
 
I find the concept of ‘dating’ like this a bit odd in itself. Putting two people who’ve never met in an awkward situation and expecting them to sound each other out enough to decide if they might form a permanent pair. That’s just odd. It must wear you down constantly doing that. Either constant rejection or constantly meeting people who are rubbish. It takes time to get to know people. This kind of thing just works on immediate physical attraction rather than getting to know someone and realising they’re a lovely person
It’s quite an American thing, or it was when I was younger. Here you just kind of knew people and if you liked them you might see if they fancied going out for a pint/film/coffee somewhere and take it from there, but this idea of meeting people out of nowhere and auditioning them seems odd to me. I’d hate it.
We’ve lost a lot of the places young people naturally got to know each other and realised they might like to take it further. Dating like this is just artificial and weird. If anything ever happened to mr. Otterly, God forbid, I’d probably just remain in a nunnery or something. I would have no idea how to meet anyone.
We Americans weren’t allowed outside the house as kids for fear of being abducted or some shit. Then we never learned social skills.
The Millennials induced autism into their children, basically.
 
@DamnWolves! I'm completely with you on how ridiculous shit is now, but I dunno if wife searching is actually going to work out for you or the average guy. Like I said, a lot of people are doing this stuff just because they feel like "I'm getting older and that's what people are supposed to do" sort of thing. They're attempting to live up to other people's expectations instead of doing what feels right to them.

I never dated in high school myself, but I always assumed those were "trial" relationships that never resulted in anything. But I grew up in a time and place where premarital sex was discouraged so, eh. They basically told you that if you got pregnant or got someone else pregnant in high school, your life was over.
 
sometimes get set up on a date with a lemon, but you want to let them down gently so you don't upset the friend who tried to hook you up.
Nah, nah, nah. You gotta really lean into it.

I was once implicitly set up on a double date with a friend of a friend without being told that's what was going on. I spent the entire night making fun of her and treating all the nonsense she was interested in with total disdain. They stopped trying to set me up with women after that.
 
I actually started talking about animals and veterinarian bills for my many many cats (I only had one at the time). Then I talked about making clothes and sewing, and he probably tuned out around the time I got to my thimble collection.
They left because you lied about being the lizard queen, instead you're just another cat lady. I bet you're not even that lusty or work as a maid.
 
Arranged marriages were the norm for most of civilized history for a reason: the young suck at picking a good spouse and don't realize love is a temporary and ultimately shallow feeling. Faithfulness was the real virtue and thing to strive for. Love is a byproduct of devotion and sexual attraction. Love at first sight is literally just wanting to fuck someone. Dating is inefficient as it is a waste of everyone's time.
 
I actually started talking about animals and veterinarian bills for my many many cats (I only had one at the time). Then I talked about making clothes and sewing, and he probably tuned out around the time I got to my thimble collection.
That's an "uncomfortable topic?" Were you on a date with bungee jumpers or dare devils of some sort? Even worse it sounds like they didn't even try to redirect away from a "uninteresting subject."
 
Where have all the good men gone
And where are all the Chads
Where's the streetwise CEO
To fight the rising costs
Isn't there a doormat who will let ride that BBC
On the internet, I screech and Scree
And demand incels be what I need
I need a 6 Man
I'm holding out for a Man 'til the end of my life
He's gotta be Rich, and he's gotta stepdad
And he's gotta let me cheat on him with a Bull
I need a 6 Man
I'm holding out for a 6 Man 'til become a cat mom
He's gotta be cucked, and he's gotta be enslaved
And he's gotta be larger than 5'9
Larger than 5'9

Ree, Ree, Reeeee
Ree, Ree, Reeeee
REEEEEEEEEEEE, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
No matter how many BBCs you cheat on your soyboy husband with, they may fill the void in your pussy, but they will never fill the void in your soul.

These lyrics are genius and accurate as fuck. Perhaps the incels will indeed have the last laugh after all.
This reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where George starts talking about how he likes manure, and the woman he's on a date with immediately starts talking about her boyfriend.
Dating IS manure, seems legit.
 
I actually started talking about animals and veterinarian bills for my many many cats (I only had one at the time). Then I talked about making clothes and sewing, and he probably tuned out around the time I got to my thimble collection.
Actually that all sounds really cool and if you're big into making your own clothes then having a collection of interesting thimbles makes sense. I tend to get tuned out when I bird/gym/work sperg so I feel ya.
 
It reminds me of this video on YouTube discussing incels and how the existing situation is creating them. With the prospect of no house, sometimes no car, an average or below average income, and no other thing to offer a potential partner, the modern male has nothing to strive for, nothing to offer, and no chance of having descendants to pass his meager possessions on to.
I have to disagree with this; I was trying to get this girl's affection, and in a woman moment she decided to jump in bed with a dude who lived with his parents, had to get rides to work (at Wal-Mart), and had fucked up teeth. I'm not one to be up my ass to pull an Ana Kasparian and go all "I'm better than you!" But I had my own car, a "better" job (military), and other shit...

I'm not saying everyone has a chance; but being an incel is more than just being in a bad situation.
 
I came into this thread expecting an article about modern female entitlement and I got a bunch of 30 year old men whining that women don't want to get pumped and dumped. Oh, she's talking about kids and marriage? And now you're scared? What the fuck do you think a relationship is ultimately all about?

"Casual flings" are degenerate and unacceptable at any age, but to have that mindset in your late 20s is pathetic even by coomer standards. Either grow up or accept your role as a forgettable evening for a parade of diseased slags.
 
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