Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
Ew no.

Besides I don't even have a thimble collection. I'm not interesting enough to have a thimble collection.
I was just being a smartass.
A thimble collection does sound interesting. I've got some vintage sewing tools, nothing as interesting as thimbles.
 
The sociopathic troons we need to cull will get by with a medical waiver. So I think they will just draft the white kids in rural communities.
We aren't in the 40s anymore where our geography would keep us more or less safe, the troons might bail on them but good luck to them enforcing a draft when they actually have to contend with threats from the outside and we aren't living in a world governed by the honor system anymore where being known as a draft dodger was akin to being known as a granny beater.
 
I find the concept of ‘dating’ like this a bit odd in itself. Putting two people who’ve never met in an awkward situation and expecting them to sound each other out enough to decide if they might form a permanent pair. That’s just odd. It must wear you down constantly doing that. Either constant rejection or constantly meeting people who are rubbish. It takes time to get to know people. This kind of thing just works on immediate physical attraction rather than getting to know someone and realising they’re a lovely person
It’s quite an American thing, or it was when I was younger. Here you just kind of knew people and if you liked them you might see if they fancied going out for a pint/film/coffee somewhere and take it from there, but this idea of meeting people out of nowhere and auditioning them seems odd to me. I’d hate it.
We’ve lost a lot of the places young people naturally got to know each other and realised they might like to take it further. Dating like this is just artificial and weird. If anything ever happened to mr. Otterly, God forbid, I’d probably just remain in a nunnery or something. I would have no idea how to meet anyone.
It does seem to be a Western thing. Take this segment from this Lotus Eaters video:


>female Japanese exchange student meets boy from "relationship" site
>she visits his parents and whatnot
>assumes that it means that he wants to be her boyfriend/proposition her
>the "talking stage" happens, and she's shocked by this because this doesn't happen in her culture
>he says he just wants to stay friends for now
>she gets mad, but then decides to use this as an opportunity to use him for free food, transportation, etc.
>before she leaves, he finally asks her out and she says no


This is how screwed the dating scene is in the West.
Dating apps are a scourge, I call the process "tap-dancing for fat chicks".

It's really alarming if you do well in person to go on apps and suddenly it's just like one word responses from women, if that. They put no effort in and wonder why the only guys they end up meeting are weird sex pests. The entitlement and then the complaining that there are no good men is nauseating. You passed on 50 good men who were interested in you this morning while you were on the toilet because they were only 5'11", come on. And the follow-on effect is that these men are less sexually confident in person because these apps are so demoralizing. I used to come on these threads and try to encourage younger guys because having a woman you care about who cares about you genuinely makes you a better person (and I care about you all), but there's no good process to get there anymore. Men aren't welcome in female spaces so there aren't shared hobbies like there used to be, men are discouraged from higher education, office work is remote so there are no after-work hangouts, all of the ways you'd find someone in person who you'd get along with are gone.

And that story about the woman talking about kids on the first date...I know this site is the official home of morally faggotry, but let's make sure we can spend more than an hour or two together enjoying each other's company before deciding if we're having kids, otherwise that kid will have to decide what toys to keep at Mom's house and which to keep at Dad's and the whole sad cycle continues.
Dating apps fucking suck. I see an increasing amount of girls (since I'm a guy) on there who
  • have kids
  • would put their kids first if they were a single mother
  • have debt
  • are on parole
  • fat
Just to name a few. And I'm not even mad about being alone; it's just giving me more time to focus on myself. But it's interesting to examine dating today and see how insane it's become. Would this end up being the future of dating a decade or so from now? That if you want to be in a relationship with someone, it will likely be with someone who already has a biological child?

And people have a laundry list of shit that even they don't know if they really want in a spouse. How can you see if a man is "honest" by going on a bunch of dates with them, and then when the relationship is hardened, all of a sudden he lies a lot? How could you detect that?

And in nowhere in any of this discussion is there any way a man could just love a woman, and vice versa.

Me...I just don't care anymore. I've had my trials chasing women in college, but I soon came to realize that it was just a waste of time and money when I could be focused on other, more productive things.
 
This long post goes somewhere, I promise:

I've dated a lot over the past decade and been in a few relationships. Since I moved cities quite a bit, though I've since settled, I employed online dating because my social circle was not really conducive to dating and I wasn't big on approaching randos at parties/clubs just based on their looks. I've met people organically too of course, but it's just not always feasible, depending on where you're at in your education or career.
Culture shifts and w/e aside, I also do think that it has gotten worse since 2017 or so, but for a different reason than most posters here, that tends to be overlooked imo:

Match.com has been buying up every dating app with a large enough userbase and ensuring that dumb swiping is the norm and finding people who you actually could have a decent connection with has become incredibly difficult. The ultimate goal of match.com dating apps is ensuring you do not find a long term partner, but leave enough hope so that you stay on the app. Success on your part means they lose a user after all.

Back in the day (not so long ago) when I moved to a city, I could go on OkCupid and actually search for keywords. Any keywords. Any obscure or funny hobby. I could ensure from the getgo that someone I might be interested in also had real mutual interests and I could then simply drop this individual a message.

It didn't take hours of swiping. Didn't take buying a premium account to be seen (never give these platforms money). And since my messages were reasonably funny, pointed to a shared interest and involved cake, I usually got a response and we'd go out for coffee. Sometimes there was a spark, sometimes there wasn't.
The important part is, that this was never a drawn out process. It did not involve swiping through hundreds of profiles with no text to find someone with shared hobbies.
Match.com then bought OkCupid and stripped away all functions that allowed you to search for people based on mutual interests: Before the now typical swipe-design was implemented, people populated their bio because it was clear that people would use it to find you based on your interests - visibility thus depended on it.
Now, algos will sort you based on photos and previous swipes. It is thus to a heavy degree the quick-swipe based design of online dating apps itself, which has become the de-facto norm, that ensures superficiality and a bad user experience. This is absolutely intentional. And since match holds a near-monopoly on the market and will buy any platform that threatens it: If changes implemented by match kill a platform, it does not matter, as users will simply shuffle to another, owned by the same company.
Think about this for a second - a single corporation largely controls a medium that a sizeable portion of the young population use to fulfill the fundamental need of finding a significant other and is intentionally sabotaging the process as much as possible to maximize screen time and financial gain. That has a huge impact on (young) people, particularly during a time when typical social venues are restricted.

People can rant about women only picking the top 4% or men being pussy incels all they want but both sexes undoubtedly suffer when the platform they employ to find a compatible partner is actively putting in design choices to prevent this from happening as long as possible.
 
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I'm glad I haven't had to hear or see eharmony ads in a long time.
In 2016, eHarmony announced their questionnaire would now be optional for users.[16] By 2017, the questionnaire consisted of 150 questions, down from 450 questions.[17]
I tried it once awhile ago, it was worse than taking an SAT or doing taxes. Brutal. And after all those questions, there was *1* match within I think 50 miles. And you had to pay to even message them or just see their profile. And shit's gotten only worse from what I'm hearing here and other places.
 
I'm not a guy, I don't know what it is like to be a guy and date, I've heard from many of my friends who are guys told me that it is awful. My guy friends come from all walks of life too. Most of them don't bother anymore.
My heart goes out to y'all.
To the women too honestly.
I feel like society is trying to make this a "man vs woman" thing where 100% the guys are at fault or 100% it is women who are the problem, I think we need to see our own problems and fix them, and our community too.

I've dated, and I fucked around and found out, and I met guys that truly changed my life for the better.
I haven't dated a chick since high school... but that is a separate issue together.
 
It's not even that dates feel like job interviews, it's more that you start talking to someone or look at their profile on a dating site and you realize they're braindead retarded with no ambition or goals in life. It's depressing how bad the modern woman has gotten, and what's more annoying is that when you express that you can't find someone as a male everyone assumes it's because you're being rejected as opposed to just not wanting to even deal with extreme retardation that's available and interested in you.
 
we aren't living in a world governed by the honor system anymore where being known as a draft dodger was akin to being known as a granny beater.
Big important point nobody seems to consider anymore, because honor isn't quantifiable the powers that be don't really take it into consideration. Tossing people into the meatgrinder or expecting them to pull through for you in hard sitiuation is something that's just taken as a given because hey, that's how it worked in the past.

We've never really had a sitiuation where people had so much disdain for the status quo half the population was cheering for its destruction and TPTB don't seem to have accounted or adjusted for that. They automatically operate on the idea that the population will operate with the maximum ammount of loyalty to them for some reason.
 
I am honestly not 100% on why this exciting douchebag cad thing works, but it does.

I know I am the bottom of the barrel. Mediocre looks, and as boring as they come. Not even rich. It is just how it is.

50 years ago I would have been propably a good catch. But culture changes, standards change, civlisations rise and fall.

I just rolled a bad dice.

I think a violent, assertive and muscle bound man just triggers cavewoman instincts. Simply biology, getting slapped a few times is worth it if he is mean and can scare the bear away.

Society in the past had a somewhat religious framework for marrying people off, since you can't really have 10% of the men keep 90% of the women without a few spears flying.

Now that people can't revolt, and there is plenty of porn, sports and vidya to vent steam, the old cave ratio is reasserting itself. It is just biology.

Glory, honour, nationalism or religious reasons for reproducing have gone and are not coming back. Cooming is no longer tied to procreation.

Now, this works perfectly fine in a vacuum. Tyrone breeds ten bottom bitches, Johny collects trains, Ted just watches baseball. You can make this matriarchal utopia work with daddy government printing money for single moms and putting the single men to work.

What are they going to do, larp as a shaman, tour a building without the entrance fee and get a decade of jail?
Wagie, wagie, back in your cagie.

Yes, my autism and yours is resonating, there is a but coming.
This works fine, if we have no external factors.

But the west does not exist in a separate dimension.
Other civilisations with a more patriarchal structure will see the spoils and gather like sharks in the water.

You see, you can conscript Johny from his train collection, but he has no will to fight, nothing to fight for, very little to loose beside his funko pops.
It is not like his nation loves him, his wife and kids are in danger, or his big mansion would get looted.

But Abdul and Igor will fight for the spoils of women, kitchen appliances, looted iphone or just the glory of their deity. And yes, they don't care about a comfort woman's feelings or consent.

Even if they don't fight, they can outproduce and outbreed the locals, their community is simply better organised and united.

History is cyclical. I doubt many of us will see the end result of what I outlined, but we'll propably see the first tremors. Prosperity does not confer invincibility.
 
History is cyclical. I doubt many of us will see the end result of what I outlined, but we'll propably see the first tremors. Prosperity does not confer invincibility.
Many of us won't see the end result, but we most certainly have already begun to see the first tremors which started years ago. It is very true the west has lost it's sense of self preservation, alongside white people and by ignoring their impulses and biological nature will pay dearly in the end.

Status quo can't retain against reality.
 
Again, that's not a good reason to "settle down". That's only a reason to stop trying to bang college chicks (or whatever) after you've aged out of reasonably being able to attract them anymore.
And at that point you go for gmilfs.
Also have you SEEN college chicks? They'll bang you till you're like 50 if they're slutty enough. You just can't go to frat parties anymore, because fucking duh.
 
Maybe, but I keep hoping it branches off the other way and we get a good war or two out of it to clear the ranks
That's also what the elites are hoping for. Why do you think they're chomping at the bit for a real war with MUH RUSSIA?
The sociopathic troons we need to cull will get by with a medical waiver. So I think they will just draft the white kids in rural communities.
The troons are absolutely getting combat waivers while getting all the benefits of being in.
 
There is another small stat that showed up in the research that most of these articles and discussions completely ignore: "Just half of single men as a whole responded that they are “looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates,” a decrease compared to 61% four years ago."

All the talk about dating apps sucking or frat parties or bars or date interviews don't matter when half the men don't bother to proverbially fill out an application or show up to the job fair. Do you know how many people swipe away those men? Zero: They don't have an account. Do you know how many of them have gotten turned away at a bar? Zero: they don't go to bars to meet people. A lot of them likely haven't been rejected a single time in years, or ever.

They are not going to actively go out of their way to pursue a relationship. That isn't to say they can't fall into one, but it will need to be facilitated by other means. They will need to meet someone in some context, interact in normal ways, and then become smitten and move on from there. A severe lack of those situations is likely the main new problem.

If you want those single men to get girlfriends, you must first trick them into accidentally becoming friends with someone.
 
That's also what the elites are hoping for. Why do you think they're chomping at the bit for a real war with MUH RUSSIA?

The troons are absolutely getting combat waivers while getting all the benefits of being in.

I think it is more delusions of empire and wanting the ruskies' gas and other minerals for free as reparashuns. Just greed, really.
 
I feel like society is trying to make this a "man vs woman" thing where 100% the guys are at fault or 100% it is women who are the problem, I think we need to see our own problems and fix them, and our community too.
Yeah and this is where a lot of the slapfighting in these kind of threads go wrong. Men and women are different but at the end of the day we're not supposed to be enemies, and I think the powers that be played to these differences and amplified the worst aspects of men and women both to cause atomization and division we're seeing now. It is just like with the race hustling that's been going on since Obama's second term, at the end of the day people of different racial or ethnic backgrounds can actually get along but the people in charge rather have us at each other throats so we don't point up at the problem.
 
We are dealing with something our ancestors didnt exactly imagined would happen by giving women that much liberty and rights...boredom.

They got bored and demandingly delusional. The invention of social media has only gotten worse as it plays off the weaknesses of females. Not that social media is the only thing that has contributed to this, of course.

Im not saying I approve Sharia Law but I can imagine this is what they see happening as a consequence of letting women speak their mind and show any skin (tho I find both extremes retarded)

I legit dont know what is a good solution that doesnt involve the complete shut down of social media and education of the new generation (since I think the current one is already freaking lost. Its dead, Jim).
I find the concept of ‘dating’ like this a bit odd in itself. Putting two people who’ve never met in an awkward situation and expecting them to sound each other out enough to decide if they might form a permanent pair. That’s just odd. It must wear you down constantly doing that. Either constant rejection or constantly meeting people who are rubbish. It takes time to get to know people. This kind of thing just works on immediate physical attraction rather than getting to know someone and realising they’re a lovely person
It’s quite an American thing, or it was when I was younger. Here you just kind of knew people and if you liked them you might see if they fancied going out for a pint/film/coffee somewhere and take it from there, but this idea of meeting people out of nowhere and auditioning them seems odd to me. I’d hate it.
We’ve lost a lot of the places young people naturally got to know each other and realised they might like to take it further. Dating like this is just artificial and weird. If anything ever happened to mr. Otterly, God forbid, I’d probably just remain in a nunnery or something. I would have no idea how to meet anyone.

Indeed, but you see, something has happened. Social life, around infancy age that is, became harder and more difficult to work with. There is the question "whats the worst she can say? No?" and that is true if it was 30 years ago but nowadays, not only a girl WILL probably say no without a second thought but have this desire to "punish" someone for daring to suggest that they ever had a chance with her by motivating public (and online) humiliation (ironically inflicted by some simps who think they will have a shot if they do this).

Being a young guy wanting a mate has become a very risky game that many want to play but are starting to wonder if its really worth all the hassle (possibly even life long hassle). Im not approving of giving up, hell no, but something needs to be done motivate healthy interactions that dont go to neither extreme.

I think most guys problem is that it's one sided. Like it depends on where ya look, but on dating apps like 95% of women have a profile like this

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While offering nothing themselves outside of looks and usually not even that.

But where to look exactly? Churches? As if the corruption isnt there already. As long the chick has a smartphone, there is always a chance that, if you arent dealing with some shit now, you just might later on.
 
I legit dont know what is a good solution that doesnt involve the complete shut down of social media and education of the new generation
Unfortunately I don't really think there's any sort of comprehensive top-down solution we could implement that would resolve anything without a complete transformation of what kind of nation we are. The successor state(s?) to the GAE will likely have some return to sanity and normalcy we're lacking today.

There was a interesting post on 4chan some time ago I can't find that commented on how funny civilizational collapse is. You can clearly see and identify the problems but its near impossible to fix them. When the Roman republic was waning it was the same as it is now, many figures from the Gracci brothers to Ceasar were able to notice and attempt to fix the glaring issues of the republic, from consolidation of land to the overreliance on slaves, but they were thwarted in their attempts at change by the powers that be who couldn't be bothered to give up a single token concession for the greater good of Rome, only caring for their own personal power and opulence. The one who did resolve a lot of the issues and manage to pull things back from the brink, Octavian, did so but at the cost of the republic (and through many many proscriptions).

I guess the question is what our fate will look like. Do we have a (hopefully non-violent but I don't have my hopes up on that) breakdown into multiple successor states, or do we transition into a better off more culturally sane single nation but at the cost of western style democracy as we've known it for the last 100 years?

Anyhow sorry to digress into canned history spergery, I've been rewatching HBO's rome recently which made me revisit some history books about that time period haha.
 
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