Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
I'm a huge advocate of women asking the "tough questions" in the early stages of dating. Although asking which school your kids should go to on the first date is alarmingly early... in general it's a good idea to put your date "on the spot", to get to know them on a deeper level, as well as a vetting strategy to see if you're compatible.

Things like... Tell me about your career, are you satisfied in that role? what's your family like, do you get along with them? how long did your last relationship last? why did it end? what did you learn from your previous dating experiences? what are your current dating intentions? what are your goals over the next 5-10 years (in terms of family, career, kids, etc)?

These are all good things to start discussing around the 3-5 date mark; certainly before you sleep together, and before you "define the relationship".

I find that when fuckboys hear these types of questions, they squirm uncomfortably and sort of skirt around the topic, or try to give me the answer they think I want to hear. And then I can quickly weed those guys out, as I have no intention of being pumped and dumped. They want easy sex, and that's not coming from me.

On the other hand, when respectable relationship-oriented men hear these questions, they actually seem happy to discuss, even if they have to think about their answers a little bit. They appreciate these conversations and seem to respect me more. They certainly don't liken it to a "job interview".

If you ask the tough questions, men will either complain or rise to the challenge. Timing is key though. I think the first 1-3 dates should be fun and low pressure, but after this (and BEFORE you sleep together) you should absolutely make efforts to weed out the guys who aren't on the same page as you.
 
Women making sure they aren't starting relations with a deadbeat.

Shock. Horror.

Many men realize they are deadbeats and dislike women for having higher aspirations.

Shock. Horor.

I've seen what women have on offer and I pity them. Stupid, dumb men. They've got nothing interesting to say; know almost nothing and are a big fucking bore. Any man knows to fuck a woman you fuck her mind first, so it is no wonder they can't get past second base.

If a woman wants to fuck you they will, try and be interesting and no, talking about sup[er hero films or the most recent administration isn't going to cut it. If you were interesting, she'd fuck you, but you aren't. You are annoying, boring and stupid.
men: just bang whore and strippers. you legit dont have to put with crazy bitches like this
 
There is the question "whats the worst she can say? No?" and that is true if it was 30 years ago but nowadays, not only a girl WILL probably say no without a second thought but have this desire to "punish" someone for daring to suggest that they ever had a chance with her by motivating public (and online) humiliation (ironically inflicted by some simps who think they will have a shot if they do this).
Kiwibros, she has your pictures, chat history and general location. If she wants she can RUIN you socially. She'll tell all.of her social media followers and peer group all about how much of a creepy pervert incel you are and how other women should "watch out".

Imagine that.... A social media tarring and feathering and if you try and fight back you're an "little dick incel woman hater".

Not a fun scenario.
I'm a huge advocate of women asking the "tough questions" in the early stages of dating. Although asking which school your kids should go to on the first date is alarmingly early... in general it's a good idea to put your date "on the spot", to get to know them on a deeper level, as well as a vetting strategy to see if you're compatible.

Things like... Tell me about your career, are you satisfied in that role? what's your family like, do you get along with them? how long did your last relationship last? why did it end? what did you learn from your previous dating experiences? what are your current dating intentions? what are your goals over the next 5-10 years (in terms of family, career, kids, etc)?

These are all good things to start discussing around the 3-5 date mark; certainly before you sleep together, and before you "define the relationship".

I find that when fuckboys hear these types of questions, they squirm uncomfortably and sort of skirt around the topic, or try to give me the answer they think I want to hear. And then I can quickly weed those guys out, as I have no intention of being pumped and dumped. They want easy sex, and that's not coming from me.

On the other hand, when respectable relationship-oriented men hear these questions, they actually seem happy to discuss, even if they have to think about their answers a little bit. They appreciate these conversations and seem to respect me more. They certainly don't liken it to a "job interview".

If you ask the tough questions, men will either complain or rise to the challenge. Timing is key though. I think the first 1-3 dates should be fun and low pressure, but after this (and BEFORE you sleep together) you should absolutely make efforts to weed out the guys who aren't on the same page as you.
Very true. However, so many women give it up ASAP to dudes they're just physically attracted to and when they try and get some commitment they guy laughs and opens his phone and DMs a few other women who are cool with no strings sex and he walks away laughing. Oh and they let him back in a few weeks/months later when he drunk texts at 1am.

Also, fuckboys can lie quite well, I'm sure they have scripts they share.

I'd say the biggest indicator of seriousness is if a guy sticks around for more than a month, he's ok with NOT have sex every time y'all meet and, this is a big one, you're introduced to his friends and family.
 
Women making sure they aren't starting relations with a deadbeat.

Shock. Horror.

Many men realize they are deadbeats and dislike women for having higher aspirations.

Shock. Horor.

I've seen what women have on offer and I pity them. Stupid, dumb men. They've got nothing interesting to say; know almost nothing and are a big fucking bore. Any man knows to fuck a woman you fuck her mind first, so it is no wonder they can't get past second base.

If a woman wants to fuck you they will, try and be interesting and no, talking about sup[er hero films or the most recent administration isn't going to cut it. If you were interesting, she'd fuck you, but you aren't. You are annoying, boring and stupid.
Single parenthood statistics would suggest that women are, broadly speaking, terrible judges of what man won't become a deadbeat. 30% of white women and like 70% of black women that have children have them with deadbeats. Just, you know, more attractive deadbeats.
 
I'll take the priveliged and nuanced stance that loads of men are deadbeat, manchildren, with no goals, no future and no real worth. But also that loads of women are useless feeders, with no worth, no charm, ugly, fat, and completely unfeminine in any real way. If you dislike this comment and feel offended by it then you are one of those 'loads of ' people.

Yeah, that should do it lol.
 
Ain't nobody got time and money to be dating this day and age. Being in a relationship is also much worse for my mental health and I doubt I'm the only person like that.

I think a lot of people undervalue the importance of platonic friendships, and think the only way to have companionship and avoid loneliness is by having a romantic partner.
I presume then some young women should look themselves at the mirror and wondering if they're ready to become cat lady?
Bug/bird/reptile lady but yes. It's what I was born to do.
 
Yeah and this is where a lot of the slapfighting in these kind of threads go wrong. Men and women are different but at the end of the day we're not supposed to be enemies, and I think the powers that be played to these differences and amplified the worst aspects of men and women both to cause atomization and division we're seeing now. It is just like with the race hustling that's been going on since Obama's second term, at the end of the day people of different racial or ethnic backgrounds can actually get along but the people in charge rather have us at each other throats so we don't point up at the problem.
The problem when it comes to this analysis is one side wants to be at your throat as the other side because they can be. Feminist never hid they hated men and wanted to make life miserable for them, and many women willingly went along. Same as minority groups (read: BLM/Black Community/SAH/etc.) wanting to have animosity to whites as an instance. When Stop Asian Hate was going around who was blamed for Asians being attacked? White supremacy, who was doing 80%+ of the hate crimes? Black people.

The truth is due to triablism we can get along with small groups, but like muslim sects once they become a larger group any consolidation or companionship is thrown to the wind to "dominate" the original group. The thing comes down to mankind's true nature based on risk, and most people will throw away friendship/cooperation/etc. to dominate another group. That risk is worth it to them.

It wasn't Obama who led this, or the left, or democrats. This is a falsehood often permeated again and again. This animosity from all groups has existed from time immemorial. Killing of albinos in Africa didn't start from the left. Xenophobia in Japan didn't start in 2000. Muslims being warmongers didn't occur because Obama kissed their asses and covered it up. The only exception is the sex (men vs. women) angle, and even that MRA's were some of the first that were destroyed and harassed by women and their simps in the early days of men asking for rights and many neutral women went and joined in against them. It's just now that women are having a hard time finding a partner or anyone wanting to marriage now it's "MRA's weren't so bad, ok, mybe MGTOW wasn't so bad, but dem incels are the new heathens." History repeating itself...

Merely the point is, without the other side compromising it wasn't a "divide and conquer strategy" that many try to claim, you can't divide a group that was willing to destroy, damage, or hurt the other from the offset. The larger part of the group was willing to do this and now the mask has slipped. #Notall =/= Too many were willing to act like that.
 
It wasn't Obama who led this, or the left, or democrats. This is a falsehood often permeated again and again. This animosity from all groups has existed from time immemorial.
It absolutely was the left. They've been minority grifting for ages, setting people groups against one another to ascend to power.
Killing of albinos in Africa didn't start from the left.
Tribal superstition / nigger science in savages isn't a commentary on civilization.
Xenophobia in Japan didn't start in 2000.
Gatekeeping your ethnostate isn't xenophobia. It's self-preservation.
Muslims being warmongers didn't occur because Obama kissed their asses and covered it up.
Obama brought Muslims here and covered up their murderous incompatibility with civilization. We have Muslim problems on our shores because progressives keep calling conservatives racists for saying no we don't want that.
 
It absolutely was the left. They've been minority grifting for ages, setting people groups against one another to ascend to power.

Tribal superstition / nigger science in savages isn't a commentary on civilization.

Gatekeeping your ethnostate isn't xenophobia. It's self-preservation.

Obama brought Muslims here and covered up their murderous incompatibility with civilization. We have Muslim problems on our shores because progressives keep calling conservatives racists for saying no we don't want that.
I'm not saying it's not part of it, but dominating other groups has been a thing since forever. It didn't originate with the left is what I'm saying.

I don't disagree with the rest of your assertions,, none of what you said is wrong, merely it's additional details of those concepts: Note: I'm not against the "Japanese xenophobia" They'll still be Japanese hopefully until the end or whatnot, and in regards to "nigger sciences" Quite a few in the war of "niggers vs. blacks" niggers won in the black community.

Edit: Look at black culture currently, whoever wins in that group shapes the culture so those claiming that seem to be right.
 
It wasn't Obama who led this, or the left, or democrats.
I never said Obama was the leader of what was being pushed, though frankly he used his position as president to normalize it. His commentary on saint traytray and mike brown for example. Also the deflection of any right wing criticism of Obama as "racist republicans" started there too. But even though Obama isn't the shadowy puppet master, it was under his term that all this has been noticeably amplified compared to, say, the 90s or early 00s. Some of it is natural resentment from these groups yes, but there is definitely a structural top down push to incite and make it worse, mostly from media and academia. I'll leave it to the reader to speculate who controls those two things, though.
 
As someone who has been on a ton of job interviews and maybe 3 dates. I have to say I prefer the job interview:
1. They've already screened you and want you there.
2. There's usually a finite number of interviews like 3 or so.
3. You get to talk to smart people about the cool stuff they're doing.
4. They usually pay for lunch and travel(if needed)
5. If you succeed you get a new job with more money.

Obviously these items only apply when you're going after someplace higher class than McDonalds.

With dating the interview never ends, and you end up with less money if you 'win'.
 
These are all good things to start discussing around the 3-5 date mark; certainly before you sleep together, and before you "define the relationship".
The women I've dated have always been obsessed with "defining the relationship", while I always thought exclusivity/monogamy was implied and self-evident.

Who in the hell has the time and energy to work full-time AND be dating more than one person? Shit is exhausting.
 
Women making sure they aren't starting relations with a deadbeat.

Shock. Horror.

Many men realize they are deadbeats and dislike women for having higher aspirations.

Shock. Horor.

I've seen what women have on offer and I pity them. Stupid, dumb men. They've got nothing interesting to say; know almost nothing and are a big fucking bore. Any man knows to fuck a woman you fuck her mind first, so it is no wonder they can't get past second base.

If a woman wants to fuck you they will, try and be interesting and no, talking about sup[er hero films or the most recent administration isn't going to cut it. If you were interesting, she'd fuck you, but you aren't. You are annoying, boring and stupid.
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As someone who has been on a ton of job interviews and maybe 3 dates. I have to say I prefer the job interview:
I'd say this article's title and content is mostly a misnomer. These guys aren't tired of dating being like a job interview, they're just not finding what they want; and it's to that I agree. If a girl would be honest and upfront about what she wants and you can be the same; then perfect, no need to waste anyone's time if your goals aren't equivalent. With a job interview, both parties already have some equivalent understanding about what your relationship is going to be.
 
daddy issues

You nailed it on the head. Back in the 90's, I had a friend in high school who got a piercing in the upper cartilage of her ear (she already had the traditional earrings), and her parents told her that if she got another piercing anywhere else, they wouldn't pay for her college. That was the last piercing she got.

Nowadays, you can lose custody of your fucking kids if you refuse to put them on HRT because your fatass wife thinks your son Thomas is really a Tiffany.
 
Who in the hell has the time and energy to work full-time AND be dating more than one person? Shit is exhausting.

Lol, I'd argue most people in today's dating scene are this way. But that's WHY it sucks so bad... nobody actually has the time and energy, but they delude themselves into thinking they do, and spread themselves super thin, to everyone's detriment: terminally swiping on the dating apps, playing the field, and going on half-assed low effort "walk dates" with multiple people a week, where nobody actually connects on a deeper level.. or when someone tries to connect on a deeper level (by asking the "interview questions") it's seen as weird and invasive.
 
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