Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
I'm a huge advocate of women asking the "tough questions" in the early stages of dating. Although asking which school your kids should go to on the first date is alarmingly early... in general it's a good idea to put your date "on the spot", to get to know them on a deeper level, as well as a vetting strategy to see if you're compatible.

Things like... Tell me about your career, are you satisfied in that role? what's your family like, do you get along with them? how long did your last relationship last? why did it end? what did you learn from your previous dating experiences? what are your current dating intentions? what are your goals over the next 5-10 years (in terms of family, career, kids, etc)?

These are all good things to start discussing around the 3-5 date mark; certainly before you sleep together, and before you "define the relationship".

I find that when fuckboys hear these types of questions, they squirm uncomfortably and sort of skirt around the topic, or try to give me the answer they think I want to hear. And then I can quickly weed those guys out, as I have no intention of being pumped and dumped. They want easy sex, and that's not coming from me.

On the other hand, when respectable relationship-oriented men hear these questions, they actually seem happy to discuss, even if they have to think about their answers a little bit. They appreciate these conversations and seem to respect me more. They certainly don't liken it to a "job interview".

If you ask the tough questions, men will either complain or rise to the challenge. Timing is key though. I think the first 1-3 dates should be fun and low pressure, but after this (and BEFORE you sleep together) you should absolutely make efforts to weed out the guys who aren't on the same page as you.

5 interviews with increasingly intrusive questions before any possibilities of payout? It doesn't even take that long to get a job. How many of the dates are you paying for?
 
5 interviews with increasingly intrusive questions before any possibilities of payout? It doesn't even take that long to get a job. How many of the dates are you paying for?
Once again, the implicit message is that what women want from a romantic relationship is inherently right and good and men should jump through any number of hoops and endure any amount of bullshit in hopes of a crumb of pussy.

Can't imagine why they're checking out of dating.
 
As a women all I have ever wanted has been a stable man who shares similar ideas, who I can have interesting conversation with and not have him get triggered because of his own resentment over a woman being smart. A man who will kill bugs and rodents, will protect me if I need it. My rule of thumb is if the thought of spending 2 days alone with a particular dude makes you want to commit seppuku then probably not a good idea to pursue it. Good sex is always a bonus.
 
I have personally seen women on these apps put not just minimum height requirements, but minimum salary requirements on their profiles recently. All very depressing and makes me feel envious of my parents' generation, all they had to do to find a partner was buy someone a drink at their local "disco" or ask them for a dance.
 

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who I can have interesting conversation with and not have him get triggered because of his own resentment over a woman being smart.
Is this really a thing? Maybe I'm just out of touch, but I hear women complain about it a lot and have never once heard another man say they don't want intelligent women.

The biggest complaint I had about the first serious relationship I was in is that she wasn't nearly as smart as me. It wears on you over time being around somebody you can't talk to as a true peer.
 
Is this really a thing? Maybe I'm just out of touch, but I hear women complain about it a lot and have never once heard another man say they don't want intelligent women.

The biggest complaint I had about the first serious relationship I was in is that she wasn't nearly as smart as me. It wears on you over time being around somebody you can't talk to as a true peer.
I assure you it is. I live through it every day. Maybe its more traditional or older men (I married someone significantly older). Its almost like it emasculates him or something. Its not even that I expect him to say I am smarter, just acknowledge I may have some good ideas and I am not a utter moron. I guess we all end up settling for undesirable traits in the end.
 
As a woman that's the last thing I want

The rodents are already dead and if you lay a finger on the bugs, you will be as well.
i'd be happy if he just removed them from my vicinity. What he does with them after, I dont really care about
 
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5 interviews with increasingly intrusive questions before any possibilities of payout? It doesn't even take that long to get a job. How many of the dates are you paying for?

Do you view sex as a "payout"? If so, that is your problem to work through.

Men with your attitude are exactly the type I'm trying to weed out. Thanks for proving my point!
 
Single parenthood statistics would suggest that women are, broadly speaking, terrible judges of what man won't become a deadbeat. 30% of white women and like 70% of black women that have children have them with deadbeats. Just, you know, more attractive deadbeats.
Ironic how you automatically give women the task of single parenting. You prove my point and invalidate your own.
 
Do you view sex as a "payout"?
Yes, that is the payout to men. It's inherent to how we're wired up and always has been.

Men with your attitude are exactly the type I'm trying to weed out. Thanks for proving my point!
And yet again, you assume female relationship goals are the ones that matter and male goals are illegitimate and a "problem" we need to "work through".

As I said, it's a real mystery why women can't find enough men willing to participate in this game anymore.
 
I have personally seen women on these apps put not just minimum height requirements, but minimum salary requirements on their profiles recently. All very depressing and makes me feel envious of my parents' generation, all they had to do to find a partner was buy someone a drink at their local "disco" or ask them for a dance.
I've dated and still do both before apps and after, and I've never used these apps or websites ONCE, not have an account, nothing.
Still able to score some pussy as needed.
Feel free to AMA.
 
Yes, that is the payout to men. It's inherent to how we're wired up and always has been.
Sure, and I'm wired to protect my womb. I do that by vetting and establishing an emotional connection prior to sex. Can you fault me for that?
Men's wants and women's wants are often at odds, that's the whole mating game, but we accept the risks and play anyway.
And yet again, you assume female relationship goals are the ones that matter and male goals are illegitimate and a "problem" we need to "work through".

As I said, it's a real mystery why women can't find enough men willing to participate in this game anymore.
I don't think men wanting sex is a bad thing... I just have a problem with men who don't seem to value emotional connection, in addition to the physical. Men who have no desire to connect with me on a deeper level, are clearly not compatible with me, so the earlier we can establish that the earlier we can both move on and not waste eachother's time.
 
I don't think men wanting sex is a bad thing
You absolutely do. You JUST said sex as a primary motivator was @autistic dog 's "problem" to "work through" and only changed your approach once I pointed out how completely one-sided that is.

This is the crux of the whole issue for men. There's no reason to make a good faith effort when the other party considers your wants inherently unimportant and unjustified.
 
The comparison of first dates to job interviews is one I have made in my mind verbatim.

And not necessarily in a negative way. I heard it described as "you're looking for a conversation, not a commitment".

I'm a huge advocate of women asking the "tough questions" in the early stages of dating. Although asking which school your kids should go to on the first date is alarmingly early... in general it's a good idea to put your date "on the spot", to get to know them on a deeper level, as well as a vetting strategy to see if you're compatible.

Things like... Tell me about your career, are you satisfied in that role? what's your family like, do you get along with them? how long did your last relationship last? why did it end? what did you learn from your previous dating experiences? what are your current dating intentions? what are your goals over the next 5-10 years (in terms of family, career, kids, etc)?

These are all good things to start discussing around the 3-5 date mark; certainly before you sleep together, and before you "define the relationship".

I find that when fuckboys hear these types of questions, they squirm uncomfortably and sort of skirt around the topic, or try to give me the answer they think I want to hear. And then I can quickly weed those guys out, as I have no intention of being pumped and dumped. They want easy sex, and that's not coming from me.

On the other hand, when respectable relationship-oriented men hear these questions, they actually seem happy to discuss, even if they have to think about their answers a little bit. They appreciate these conversations and seem to respect me more. They certainly don't liken it to a "job interview".

If you ask the tough questions, men will either complain or rise to the challenge. Timing is key though. I think the first 1-3 dates should be fun and low pressure, but after this (and BEFORE you sleep together) you should absolutely make efforts to weed out the guys who aren't on the same page as you.
A lot of life is like a job interview, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, although the same types of bullshit people hate tend to crop up as a result, applying to both job interviews and dating "interviews". Do they make you wait an extra 5-10 minutes past the agreed meeting time in order to test how interested you are? Do they try to lowball you and see how much you'll put up with? Do they reject you without any solid explanation, or even simply drop contact?

On the other hand, it can be a good way to think about the positive angles in these situations. Cut to the chase of what's important, but don't be weird about it - though unlike a job interview, part of dating is about socially enjoying each others' company, so you don't need to be sussing out "where do you see yourself in 5 years" before your coffee shows up. But the purpose is to determine if it's a mutually beneficial relationship, if you're happy with the compensation and they're happy with the skills you bring to the table, or in the case of dating if you improve each others' lives as romantic partners rather than cause each other stress.

Both men and women seem to de facto view the situation as men qualifying themselves to women, but in a weird sort of "being" and not as a reflection of how you live your life. It's not that a man needs to approach finances with a certain mindset, he needs to "be" wealthy; at some point it's just linguistic games, sure, but it reflects a subtle difference in how people view their dating options. There's a reason "just be yourself" is shit-tier advice, on par with "just be attractive". Hiring managers don't want someone who learns quickly and is interested in a facet of the job, they want someone who simply "has" 5+ years' experience. We hate this in the corporate world, but tricked ourselves into adopting it in the romantic one. Men think they need to just put the right buzzwords on their resume and they'll get a job, women think any man with a resume gap of 6+ months is a red flag, and we all get more autistic in the process.
 
Men's wants and women's wants are often at odds
That's not nearly as true as people like to pretend it is. Men and women both desire sex and commitment. They desire them in different ways, and to different degrees, but fundamentally we both want the same things.

I don't think men wanting sex is a bad thing... I just have a problem with men who don't seem to value emotional connection, in addition to the physical. Men who have no desire to connect with me on a deeper level, are clearly not compatible with me, so the earlier we can establish that the earlier we can both move on and not waste eachother's time.
This is something I feel like a lot of people mix up. Sex and connection are not distinct things, they are inseparabley intertwined. We bond through sex, that's how men get attached to a woman. When men start having regular sex with a woman is when we get invested. That's why men get frustrated and give up when we don't get the "payout". We don't care about you yet.

Broadly speaking, men desire connection through sex, women desire sex through connection. Very broadly speaking.
 
You absolutely do. You JUST said sex as a primary motivator was @autistic dog 's "problem" to "work through" and only changed your approach once I pointed out how completely one-sided that is.

This is the crux of the whole issue for men. There's no reason to make a good faith effort when the other party considers your wants inherently unimportant and unjustified.

No, I said sex as a PAYOUT is a problem. "Payout" implies a transaction. Men taking me out on dates and expecting sex as a return token of their investment, while not giving a shit about me as a human being, is fucked up.

Women are tired of being treated like this, so we've stepped up our game and we're weeding these guys out of the pool. I see our efforts are starting to work, good.
 
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