Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
Women are tired of being treated like this, so we've stepped up our game and we're weeding these guys out of the pool. I see our efforts are starting to work, good.

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I don't think any group of women in human history has ever had lower standards as far as commitment than modern western women. Bitches out there being the backup side hoe and claiming their in a relationship. Shits insane.
 
Lol I was 19 and bored. But to be fair, Bob hadn't died yet. He got super bad after Bob died.
As flawed of a human being as Bob was, at least he tried to get Chris to take some responsibility for his life, maybe he couldn't do much, but geriatric parents don't have quite the energy that they once did. The Tomgirl saga really was the beginning of the end.
Again, that's not a good reason to "settle down". That's only a reason to stop trying to bang college chicks (or whatever) after you've aged out of reasonably being able to attract them anymore.
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28 is pushing it as it is, I would loathe becoming like this.

@Falcos_Commisar fuckboys are like zombies but worse, they seem to be everywhere.

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I'm a huge advocate of women asking the "tough questions" in the early stages of dating. Although asking which school your kids should go to on the first date is alarmingly early... in general it's a good idea to put your date "on the spot", to get to know them on a deeper level, as well as a vetting strategy to see if you're compatible.

Things like... Tell me about your career, are you satisfied in that role? what's your family like, do you get along with them? how long did your last relationship last? why did it end? what did you learn from your previous dating experiences? what are your current dating intentions? what are your goals over the next 5-10 years (in terms of family, career, kids, etc)?

These are all good things to start discussing around the 3-5 date mark; certainly before you sleep together, and before you "define the relationship".

I find that when fuckboys hear these types of questions, they squirm uncomfortably and sort of skirt around the topic, or try to give me the answer they think I want to hear. And then I can quickly weed those guys out, as I have no intention of being pumped and dumped. They want easy sex, and that's not coming from me.

On the other hand, when respectable relationship-oriented men hear these questions, they actually seem happy to discuss, even if they have to think about their answers a little bit. They appreciate these conversations and seem to respect me more. They certainly don't liken it to a "job interview".

If you ask the tough questions, men will either complain or rise to the challenge. Timing is key though. I think the first 1-3 dates should be fun and low pressure, but after this (and BEFORE you sleep together) you should absolutely make efforts to weed out the guys who aren't on the same page as you.
Sex is nice and all, but I definitely understand the caution you're exercising. Getting a reputation as a fuckboy isn't really something you'd want either, but the whole dating thing is frustrating and feels awkward and not fun sometimes. A lot of guys think that "if this doesn't work out I'll never have another chance again with anyone" and unfortunately it shows, especially if they're trying too hard to not mess up.
 
That's not nearly as true as people like to pretend it is. Men and women both desire sex and commitment. They desire them in different ways, and to different degrees, but fundamentally we both want the same things.


This is something I feel like a lot of people mix up. Sex and connection are not distinct things, they are inseparabley intertwined. We bond through sex, that's how men get attached to a woman. When men start having regular sex with a woman is when we get invested. That's why men get frustrated and give up when we don't get the "payout". We don't care about you yet.

Broadly speaking, men desire connection through sex, women desire sex through connection. Very broadly speaking.
I agree with the first half, IMO sex is an expression of intimacy and it's the glue that holds a relationship together. it's what differentiates a platonic relationship from a romantic one.

But do you really think sex is how men get attached to women? How do you explain men who have sex with a woman, then experience "post nut clarity" and realize they're no longer interested in her (i.e. the classic pump & dump) ? Or men who enter "situationships" or "friends with benefits" relationships with women, where they can have sex with the same woman for an extended period of time, but never feel the need to commit to her emotionally?

In my experience, you get a man to care about you by first establishing an emotional connection and earning his respect through good conversations and showing your character over time etc. then the sex just strengthens that relationship.
 
No, I said sex as a PAYOUT is a problem. "Payout" implies a transaction. Men taking me out on dates and expecting sex as a return token of their investment, while not giving a shit about me as a human being, is fucked up.

Women are tired of being treated like this, so we've stepped up our game and we're weeding these guys out of the pool. I see our efforts are starting to work, good.
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I agree with the first half, IMO sex is an expression of intimacy and it's the glue that holds a relationship together. it's what differentiates a platonic relationship from a romantic one.

But do you really think sex is how men get attached to women? How do you explain men who have sex with a woman, then experience "post nut clarity" and realize they're no longer interested in her (i.e. the classic pump & dump) ? Or men who enter "situationships" or "friends with benefits" relationships with women, where they can have sex with the same woman for an extended period of time, but never feel the need to commit to her emotionally?

In my experience, you get a man to care about you by first establishing an emotional connection and earning his respect through good conversations and showing your character over time etc. then the sex just strengthens that relationship.
That depends. I absolutely need sex to get attached to a woman. Otherwise it's like some kind of friendship-lite thing but with constant sexual tension and wondering what the subtext is etc.

Fun topic I see everyone is having grand ole time
 
I am dreading getting back into the dating market. I've done online dating before, and that was that was years ago when it wasn't as bad as it's apparently become.

But, ultimately, online dating is just another way to meet people. It's a numbers game (for men) either way, so why not avail yourself of his opportunity? It might be the edge you need to meet someone cool, even if the odds are not as good as they used to be on these sites. (You will always get more picky with more options, no matter who you are.)

But your best option is just to meet someone in person in your everyday life. It always has been. And yet that requires doing, not planning. All people want to do now is plan, to stay in that side of the brain like they think they're going to model the entire world perfectly in their heads and avoid rejection or heartbreak if they try hard enough. That's peak delusion. Planning only works when you test it against the real world, but people just look at the world and decide, "On paper, I'm absolutely screwed!"
 
Or men who enter "situationships" or "friends with benefits" relationships with women, where they can have sex with the same woman for an extended period of time, but never feel the need to commit to her emotionally?
A lot of times in situations like this the guy will absolutely develop a strong attachment and its usually the woman who goes "whoa whoa whoa I thought this was just for fun." I've seen it happen many times. Hell I've even been that guy before lol.
 
I am dreading getting back into the dating market. I've done online dating before, and that was that was years ago when it wasn't as bad as it's apparently become.
I dunno, I found it to be basically fine for the brief period I tried it. Went on a few ordinary dates that went just fine and eventually met a perfectly nice, normal, smart, attractive girl who was really into me and I ended up being the sperg who said "sorry, this just ain't worth it to me".

I think people make it out to be worse than it is. If you can at least feign social skills and carry a conversation, it's no different than any other kind of dating.
 
It certainly made things worse. Now you have to wonder if a woman is a vax-maxxer as that is a red flag for all kinds of insanity.
This article is just an excuse to bring up Covid a 100 more times. The pandemic has jack shit to do with why dating has turned into a shitshow in the last twenty years.
 
I agree with the first half, IMO sex is an expression of intimacy and it's the glue that holds a relationship together. it's what differentiates a platonic relationship from a romantic one.

But do you really think sex is how men get attached to women? How do you explain men who have sex with a woman, then experience "post nut clarity" and realize they're no longer interested in her (i.e. the classic pump & dump) ? Or men who enter "situationships" or "friends with benefits" relationships with women, where they can have sex with the same woman for an extended period of time, but never feel the need to commit to her emotionally?

In my experience, you get a man to care about you by first establishing an emotional connection and earning his respect through good conversations and showing your character over time etc. then the sex just strengthens that relationship.
Clarifier: Thing is we're talking about very large generalized groups. Not all men are going to be the same, I'm just speaking broadly to how most men are. The situationship types also tend to be fucked up men on some level.

You're not wrong that men get attached before sex, but it's sort of a barrier for full emotional investment for us.

It's kind of hard to put into words (I retyped this post several times), but the way I'd put it is for women sex has an emotional threshold before they give it and for men sex is an emotional payoff. From our perspective it's validation that you're serious about us, that we have successfully courted you. It's the green light to go all in emotionally because it's the real deal.

Thats why @Matt Damon and many other men describe it a payoff. We are trying to earn your approval, and that approval is manifested as a sexual relationship. We can like you and care about you, but until we get that tangible expression of your investment it's hard to invest fully back.
 
Fertility levels being far below replacement levels and literal dysgenics is so le heckin based you guiz.
YAAAAAAAS QUEEEEEEEEEEEN
It is actually really frustrating how women can acknowledge there is a problem but being completely unwilling to do anything about it while also being mad at you for deciding not to do anything about it either
I agree with the first half, IMO sex is an expression of intimacy and it's the glue that holds a relationship together. it's what differentiates a platonic relationship from a romantic one.

But do you really think sex is how men get attached to women? How do you explain men who have sex with a woman, then experience "post nut clarity" and realize they're no longer interested in her (i.e. the classic pump & dump) ? Or men who enter "situationships" or "friends with benefits" relationships with women, where they can have sex with the same woman for an extended period of time, but never feel the need to commit to her emotionally?

In my experience, you get a man to care about you by first establishing an emotional connection and earning his respect through good conversations and showing your character over time etc. then the sex just strengthens that relationship.
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I'll preface this by quoting Bukowski:
Being alone never felt right. Sometimes it felt good, but it never felt right.
This quote kept popping up in my head, more and more ever since I've read it a few couple months back, to the point where it finally got me out of my shell and started looking for a partner, after being happily single for quite a while. All these years I've used them to cultivate myself and move forward in my career, at the cost of having someone next to me whom I can share experiences together.

I went ahead and begrudgingly signed up on one of these rigged dating apps - I second Bloitzhole's comment (this), that the monopoly on dating these large corpos have is definitely detrimental to everyone involved. Yet I have decided to give them a try, at least for the next few couple months, to see what turns up -and further cement my assumptions about it- or maybe eat my words and actually find someone who, paraphrasing Bukowski, isn't my dream girl, but isn't a nightmare either.

This movie scene is quite apt, especially if you're 30+.


She described my requirements to a T, but for a woman. Everything she says about "the things you don't think about when you're younger" are absolutely right, and the last part about you being your own worst enemy, about "settling", is very accurate.

I'd argue that in some cases (and at least in my case), a very nice smile and contagious laugh can get you 80% of the way, that's all it takes - 'cause you'd do anything, despite the differences here and there, to see that smile and crack her up again.

But back to the rigged dating apps; In my mind it's basically like dipping my whole arm into a rusty oil drum filled to the brim with maggots, vomit and diarrhea, fishing for hard rocks. Feeling them as I cover my mouth and nose and dive a bit deeper to see if that big rock that I've just felt in my fingers and am pulling out is a piece of rubble, or a diamond. And when I get my arm out of the oil drum and hold that stupid fetid piece of rubble in my hand, I fool myself into thinking that maybe the next oil drum could be the one with the diamond, and so without even washing my arm, I move on to the next vile oil drum, repeat the cycle and try my luck once again. That's the most vivid description I can give of how it feels like, using these apps.

It's not an indictment against women because the game is rigged against them as well, where they are up to their necks in a river of viscera and battery acid, trying to find a footing having to wade through this stinking river, in hopes that they can find a lifebuoy that could turn out to be either half-inflated at best, or filled with sand at worst, sinking them into the vile depths.

In my current situation, I'll always prefer to meet people the "old school" way, through friends and acquaintances (that's how I met my ex), like normal people usually do. I am not much of a barfly so striking up a convo in a bar seems like the wrong place to me, and I have always been weary of the quality of people that those places can attract. So for now, and until I readjust my social circles (I don't go to the gym for hookups), I'll suck it up only for a brief moments and deal with the "diamond in an oil drum filled with gore" rigged game.

The worst thing of all this is, that the person I am looking for is just like me - she's out there and absolutely fucking hates dealing with dating apps, and would much rather meet someone through social circles or common interests instead, among other things.



But alas, such is life in Clown World.
I agree with the first half, IMO sex is an expression of intimacy and it's the glue that holds a relationship together. it's what differentiates a platonic relationship from a romantic one.

But do you really think sex is how men get attached to women? How do you explain men who have sex with a woman, then experience "post nut clarity" and realize they're no longer interested in her (i.e. the classic pump & dump) ? Or men who enter "situationships" or "friends with benefits" relationships with women, where they can have sex with the same woman for an extended period of time, but never feel the need to commit to her emotionally?

In my experience, you get a man to care about you by first establishing an emotional connection and earning his respect through good conversations and showing your character over time etc. then the sex just strengthens that relationship.
Don't be fatuous. You women might be the gatekeepers of sex, but we men are the gatekeepers of relationships, and you lot come to this realization way too late into your 30s, by the time your ovaries are checking out and you come back from your barista job to an empty apartment with two cats - because a living thing in captivity is the only thing that you fool yourself into thinking that's "good enough company".

But even that, are consequences of growing up in Clown World, where no original thought or impulse you've ever had was never your own, it was always pre-approved, pre-deployed, pre-regurgitated, corporate-sponsored goyslop ready for consumption.

Again, through no fault of our own, many have to deal with manchildren who are now mentally stuck at 13 years old, and women who are clearly no better.

It's only once you stop and look for true beauty and strength that you see the faults in everything around you, finally ask the right questions and ultimately, run away from the post-modernist Marxist plantation that has become the western world, that can put you on the path towards meeting your better half. At least that's how I see it.

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You’re making excuses for fathers. Only a guy would do that. A Deadbeat guy.
i can't tell if you're deliberately being retarded or sarcastic

But you're still placing blame on the father with "both sides are responsible" as an excuse. Women have the ultimate say over who gets to have sex. Society has ensured it with rape being one of its biggest crimes and always has. You can go on and on about how horrible the men are, but you just inadvertently say the women in this situation are either too retarded to hold accountable or cannot be held accountable at all because they're women.
 
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