Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
Women are complaining Men aren't stepping up, they are too spineless, or too nice. Men never learned any of these things Women ask for, so they just retreat.
Worse than that, were actively told that the things women want out of a man are bad and we shouldn't do them. It's that old meme about liberal women being attracted to conservative men. We're literally trained to be unattractive to women, by women.

So much shit would be fixed if we didn't fuck up young men with lies about how dating works.

>article about 63% of men in a poll saying they've given up on dating, finding the juice isn't worth the squeeze
<cue 12 entire pages of people acting like these men are incels or can be convinced to give a fuck by posting dating advice here as if the poll was exclusively of the men of A&N, or even about difficulty in finding a date to even begin with

:story:

Show of hands how many of you actually read the damn thing?
There's an article? Is that what the A stands for?
 
Women are complaining Men aren't stepping up, they are too spineless, or too nice
raised by single mothers and women in positions of power
they really can't put two and two together, huh
Men never learned any of these things Women ask for
Here's what we all realize: women have no idea what they want. They say they want good men but they don't mean moral or faithful men. Instead, they have sex with men who drop them for others in a heartbeat, likely because they're attractive. They say they want to be loving mothers then raise bastard children on their lonesome and wonder why they turn out the way they do. Despite advocating for freedom in a "open" relationship, she gets upset when her man actually finds a woman who wants to fuck him.

There is no winning by treating them as an equal and no winning by treating them with baby gloves either, so why even bother at this point?
We're literally trained to be unattractive to women, by women.
The most depressing realization you can have as a man is realizing your own mother raised you to be a simp.
 
No, I said sex as a PAYOUT is a problem. "Payout" implies a transaction. Men taking me out on dates and expecting sex as a return token of their investment, while not giving a shit about me as a human being, is fucked up.

Women are tired of being treated like this, so we've stepped up our game and we're weeding these guys out of the pool. I see our efforts are starting to work, good.
As if a large percentage of women don't treat men as a walking ATM machine and don't value men based on what they can provide materially. That's a transaction, is it not? Not to mention all the other extreme superficial shit that modern western women demand while screaming misogyny if men simply don't want to be waking up next to a 300 pound lardass with multiple children from multiple men. Don't seem like you got much of a problem with that though
 
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>article about 63% of men in a poll saying they've given up on dating, finding the juice isn't worth the squeeze
<cue 12 entire pages of people acting like these men are incels or can be convinced to give a fuck by posting dating advice here as if the poll was exclusively of the men of A&N, or even about difficulty in finding a date to even begin with

:story:

Show of hands how many of you actually read the damn thing?
>actually reading an article
>on A&N
>and not doing it just to read the comments


Might want to make that 16 pages.
 
As if a large percentage of women don't treat men as a walking ATM machine and don't value men based on what they can provide materially. That's a transaction, is it not? Not to mention all the other superficial shit that modern western women demand. Don't seem like you got much of a problem with that though
As another poster said, what women want is okay and what men want is not.
 
I've been to one of those clubs. They're not as fun as they sound. Only people who are already in relationships are fucking, everyone else just kind of hangs out. (Sometimes literally.) It's like watching porn IRL but with lots of obesity and ED.
You've never lived until you used a fatties roll to jack you off.
 
i can't tell if you're deliberately being retarded or sarcastic

But you're still placing blame on the father with "both sides are responsible" as an excuse. Women have the ultimate say over who gets to have sex. Society has ensured it with rape being one of its biggest crimes and always has. You can go on and on about how horrible the men are, but you just inadvertently say the women in this situation are either too retarded to hold accountable or cannot be held accountable at all because they're women.
You are so blinded by your own cock; it’s incredible. It really is. Fortunately there is a woman out there for you; but she’s not much of a thinker either and has issues.
ah, you weren't pretending
for a minute imagine if there was a law that said for all broken relations, the man had to keep the children. Good. Now with that in mind think how carefully you might select a female partner knowing this was possible.

you might now - if you take a look at relations from a female point of view - view requirements in a relationship that would never occur to a man. If you can assume these viewpoints and find compromise you won't have a problem finding a female partner because they would have found a man capable of empathy, understanding and circumstance that doesn't revolve around just his dick.

This will require maturity. It is fair to say women are usually but not always more mature than men out of necessity. When you can show maturity as a choice rather than a requirement of circumstance you will find yourself in pole position for more relationships and get to do some of the picking instead ion being picked.

Many men need a relationship in order to grow up which is backwards. There are plenty of bad drivers and people shitty at their job who have done it for years, experience isn't always the solution. Conversely, a little education and understanding of what women are and how their brains work will not only show maturity and real concern, but that you think it is important enough to know.

First grow up, then get educated, then go seek. You've got it literally all backwards, seek (get upset), find out why you suck at it and then grow up. Baaaaackwards.
 
for a minute imagine if there was a law that said for all broken relations, the man had to keep the children. Good. Now with that in mind think how carefully you might select a female partner knowing this was possible.
you have to be financially responsible for the child for a good portion of your life, sometimes even if he's not your son
try again
you might now - if you take a look at relations from a female point of view - view requirements in a relationship that would never occur to a man. If you can assume these viewpoints and find compromise you won't have a problem finding a female partner because they would have found a man capable of empathy, understanding and circumstance that doesn't revolve around just his dick.
You really think you're the only ones who look for actual values in the opposite sex, huh.
This will require maturity. It is fair to say women are usually but not always more mature than men out of necessity. When you can show maturity as a choice rather than a requirement of circumstance you will find yourself in pole position for more relationships and get to do some of the picking instead ion being picked.

Many men need a relationship in order to grow up which is backwards. There are plenty of bad drivers and people shitty at their job who have done it for years, experience isn't always the solution. Conversely, a little education and understanding of what women are and how their brains work will not only show maturity and real concern, but that you think it is important enough to know.

First grow up, then get educated, then go seek. You've got it literally all backwards, seek (get upset), find out why you suck at it and then grow up. Baaaaackwards.
the sheer amount of projection in this when your brain chemistry literally changes when you're impregnated
 

@Mukhrani


I wouldn't say it's just that 'men aren't growing up'. Or at least it's not men refusing to do so willingly. It's that the things that count as 'grown up' are out of reach of young men.

Property ownership? Out of hand
Career advancement? Even the trades require you to invest a good lump of cash to even start, and wages are kept down by immigration and outsourcing.
Even owning a fucking vehicles is being priced out of most young people.

What are men supposed to do to 'grow up'?
 
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@Muhkrani

I wouldn't say it's just that 'men aren't growing up'. Or at least it's not men refusing to do so willingly. It's that the things that count as 'grown up' are out of reach of young men.

Property ownership? Out of hand
Career advancement? Even the trades require you to invest a good lump of cash to even start, and wages are kept down by immigration and outsourcing.
Even owning a fucking vehicles is being priced out of most young people.

What are men supposed to do to 'grow up'?
the fact maturity is associated with property, wealth, and status should tell you a lot about how they think
 
OP knew exactly what they were doing
  • Article get's posted on A&N regarding how dating sucks
  • KF men posters in thread agree due to real life situations and/or facts
  • women/trolls come in thread, call the men that posted in it incels/losers/etc...
  • gigantic amounts of spergatory ensures
lather, rinse, repeat
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