Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
Here's what we all realize: women have no idea what they want. They say they want good men but they don't mean moral or faithful men. Instead, they have sex with men who drop them for others in a heartbeat, likely because they're attractive.

I've been watching videos of guys on omegle talking to girls from around the world. And theres one thing they usually have in common. "I watch K-Dramas." What relationships do they depict? Very conservative, traditional relationships. Women talk alot about all this Western Feminism. But what are they actually watching?
 
Programs to put young jobless guys in those trades and infrastructure jobs we're desperately low on people for.
The reasons this isn't "really" a solution:

Repopulation rate going down the shitter means even less of a pool of people who would be capable of doing that work, that are also willing.

Cultural decay of the concepts of hard work and glamorizing of indoor/online jobs and "jobs" such as streaming. Also "gig economy" jobs like Uber.

The rate of those with shit like tism or behavioral disorders that would preclude someone from being capable of working in such an environment without being a risk to themselves or others around them, isn't decreasing and if this poll is anywhere near accurate that can only be expected to rise. Welding for instance isn't a job you want someone who gets frustrated or distracted easily, doing, at all.

Such careers even if they pay well, require someone who has a motivating factor to want to get into them in the first place. Many of the under 30's aren't interested as they see things like a house as infeasible or impossible to acquire. This whole thread's said enough about the motives of family or relationships.

Still doesn't answer the population issue. It's all well and good to have more guys in ACHV, or linemen, but someone's got to be a janitor, a warehouse worker, the guy stocking shelves. It's the same base issue with people who unironically think having an entire society of 120+ IQ people is a workable idea. You need someone to do manual grunt work. You need enough people to meet the needs of the populace and if that number of working folks falls below a certain threshold you have a real problem with labor shortage on your hands.

Still doesn't fix the relationship issue between people and their countrymen or the gender relations issue which ties into all of the above.

When I said "this issue" I really did mean the lack of engagement, and thus procreation, of men with women in a romantic way. Again if this poll is accurate at all to the larger populace %62 of men under 30 checking out of any romantic interest whatsoever should terrify anybody who likes living in a first-world nation with reliable first-world amenities.

Human beings are a resource. North Korea doesn't let people leave for a reason.
 
All women are whores, except my mother, she's a saint.
No, I can confirm she's one too. Sorry son.

Then why do I keep seeing comments (not necessarily itt, but on this site and elsewhere) about women being whores if their body count is more than 1? [This is not a personal comment; I'm old and comfortably whorish by past actions, if that's what it must be termed; it just seems that there is a huge comfort among men [online, but not just the incel freaks] in deciding and declaring what of a woman's sexual life or history is "acceptable," and much of it seems to be from young and/or single men. And at the same time, there is hardly a non-virginal woman out there over 25 who hasn't been jammed up emotionally by sleeping with a guy only to find out it either cooled his interest, whether due to "conquered!" or deciding she's a slut for sleeping with him, or that he never really had any. You could hardly blame women for thinking the next time that they shouldn't do that.]
I think it's two things primarily. First is bitter men just using it as an attack vector. That one is somewhat self explanatory.

The other half if just a fundamental misunderstanding of stats and human sexuality. I see this one study passed around a lot that shows a correlation between divorce rate and body count. Problem is that study on its own is useless, as it lends itself towards self biasing. I very much doubt the act of taking a dick one time warps a woman into a slut, it's more likely that sluts are just less likely to maintain a monogamous relationship. The kind of woman to be a dedicated wife wouldn't acrue a high body count in the first place. Monogamists have lower body counts, crazy I know.

Furthermore I see a lot of men misunderstanding why body count is important in women. They seem to think it's about the actual number, so obviously 0 is the best right? Really it's more of a way to gauge how she is in relationships. Double digit body count at 25, obviously can't or doesn't want to maintain a stable relationship. Body count of 3 at 25, fucking unicorn lock that shit down boy (assuming she's not got other issues ofc).

Problem is we'd need an open honest dialog to sort these issues out and educate men on why virginity is not important. But anything short of "women can have as much degenerate sex as they want" is not an acceptable opinion so we won't fix shit.
 
About 30% of parents who are owed child support payments get nothing,
Which means 70% do
the 5.4 million parents who were owed child support payments received 62% of the amount they were supposed to get, on average
It's almost like the government deducts taxes from such payments.
(And if he's not your son, DNA will remove any financial obligations, in all or nearly all cases.)
Hahahahaha

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here other than turning this into a game of who is the bigger victim.
 
Plenty of people owing child support aren't paying, but also look at that average amount: $285/month per custodial parent, so that doesn't account for obligations per kid, just per parent. $285/month is chump change, at best, and doesn't come anywhere near the costs (explicit and implicit) of raising a child, nor half of it (which would be an unreasonably low percentage if they're not actually impacted in terms of care of children day-to-day, the related time and energy expenditures, and the related earning power limitations and compromises). Child support requirements in general are a joke*.

Isn't there an incentive to kick the Man out since you get government support once there's no Man in the household?
 
When I said "this issue" I really did mean the lack of engagement, and thus procreation, of men with women in a romantic way. Again if this poll is accurate at all to the larger populace %62 of men under 30 checking out of any romantic interest whatsoever should terrify anybody who likes living in a first-world nation with reliable first-world amenities.
women are strong and independent, i have no idea what you mean
Problem is we'd need an open honest dialog to sort these issues out and educate men on why virginity is not important
my dude, you literally just gave an example of why virginity is so important and then pointed out how arguing how it isn't is ridiculous and doesn't fix anything
 
And yet that seems to be the only strategy anyone is even attempting because it's the greatest sacrilege in modern western society to imply that men deserve anything or that any of their wants warrant consideration because that's MUH PATRIARCHY.
To further your point:
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That is the actual take-away message from one of the summer's big blockbuster movies. One that many women most likely dragged their husbands/boyfriends to see. "Yeah, fuck you men for actually wanting respect, because that's EVIL PATRIARCHY!" Is it any wonder why more and more men are increasingly going "fuck this" in terms of dealing with women in general?
 
When ten men are angry and checked out, they have a problem. When ten million men are angry and checked out, your society has a problem.
This is why I don't really care about the outcome of these discussions in the long term. I'm trying to convince you a bomb is ticking that is gonna hurt you way more than its gonna hurt me. Ignore it at your own peril.

Pro tip: Women statistically draw more from society than they pay in taxes and are the primary recipients of social programs. Societal collapse is gonna hurt women waaayyy more than its gonna hurt men.

Like Josh said, usually, if you wait long enough bad people will get their comeupance. The only sad thing is all the good people that will also be caught in the wave.
 
This is why I don't really care about the outcome of these discussions in the long term. I'm trying to convince you a bomb is ticking that is gonna hurt you way more than its gonna hurt me. Ignore it at your own peril.
my favorite ones are the complete denial of any such happenings and further mocking of the disenfranchised group
because nothing will happen
other than the massive upraise in crime we've already seen
the one where the people in charge decriminalized it to solve the issue of crime
hahahahahaha
 
I was reading this on /pol/ last night, i really feel for younger people now.

Got nothing to strive for except debt and misery, probably 5 to 10% of the entire population of women in the world are gold diggers and have unrealistic expectations for partners. There's the equivalent for the blokes as well.

Throw in the fact that everyone is literally online all the time, the limited social interaction means everyones a fucking retard under a certain age bracket, and can't socialise in person.


I wouldn't even know how to find someone now a days if my partner died, and they are the same.
 
I've been watching videos of guys on omegle talking to girls from around the world. And theres one thing they usually have in common. "I watch K-Dramas." What relationships do they depict? Very conservative, traditional relationships. Women talk alot about all this Western Feminism. But what are they actually watching?
Lol, no, K-dramas - at least of the darker sort watched by my sample size of 1 - feature treachery, dysfunction, murder, duplicity, and 80 million terrible people who aren't actually the main worst people. And the women are equally as awful/dysfunctional (or good) as the men.
The kind of woman to be a dedicated wife wouldn't acrue a high body count in the first place.
This is incorrect.
Which means 70% do
Youre not a God of Nothing; you're a Math God.
It's almost like the government deducts taxes from such payments.
You don't pay taxes on child support.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here other than turning this into a game of who is the bigger victim.

I'm not trying to "argue" anything, merely to show that whatever you might state you believe or think you would be subject to if you had a kid out of wedlock (or divorced), large numbers of child support payers feel no such compunction to pay up the paltry, inadequate amounts that [some] are supposed to be paying. I gave you information. You asserted that having a child means paying for its care for a chunk of your life; statistics show that that is largely optional, and that the average required amount is basically loose change.

And who, exactly, am I asserting are "victims"? People who should pay often don't pay; amounts people are required to pay that are supposedly in lieu of caring for and raising a child mostly don't go a meaningful fraction of the way to that. Them's just facts, not a victim rally.
 
It ain't me - I'm in a very different boat than these dudes. But I can at least empathize with their situation, which no one else seems to be willing to do.
This has always been the most disturbing thing when I see this shit: the total lack of empathy. My wife is literally barefoot and pregnant with our third child but it’s beyond retarded to shrug my shoulders and say it’s not my problem. A bunch of whores banging the same smaller pool of men and every other guy just has to deal with it because the alternative is making women feel bad is bullshit. I suspect society dealt with this problem thousands of years ago which is why shit like arranged marriages was a thing. Sure, that means muh tingles isn’t the first priority for a woman but society seemed to function better with marriages than thotting around.
 
Lol, no, K-dramas - at least of the darker sort watched by my sample size of 1 - feature treachery, dysfunction, murder, duplicity, and 80 million terrible people who aren't actually the main worst people. And the women are equally as awful/dysfunctional (or good) as the men.

I'm only going by what I'm seeing.

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This has always been the most disturbing thing when I see this shit: the total lack of empathy. My wife is literally barefoot and pregnant with our third child but it’s beyond retarded to shrug my shoulders and say it’s not my problem. A bunch of whores banging the same smaller pool of men and every other guy just has to deal with it because the alternative is making women feel bad is bullshit. I suspect society dealt with this problem thousands of years ago which is why shit like arranged marriages was a thing. Sure, that means muh tingles isn’t the first priority for a woman but society seemed to function better with marriages than thotting around.
Society and women have told men they're entitled to nothing and should expect nothing, if not the worst
honestly, what do they expect?
now men view society and women are entitled to nothing and should expect nothing, if not the worst
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I have personally seen women on these apps put not just minimum height requirements, but minimum salary requirements on their profiles recently. All very depressing and makes me feel envious of my parents' generation, all they had to do to find a partner was buy someone a drink at their local "disco" or ask them for a dance.
Sounds like how it has likely been going in Japan for years. Not only that, the wife does all the financial decisions with his money in many cases. Of course they have video games and anime to cope with so maybe being an otaku isn't so bad compared to some alternatives.
Do you view sex as a "payout"? If so, that is your problem to work through.

Men with your attitude are exactly the type I'm trying to weed out. Thanks for proving my point!
Well considering how a lot of fiction has the "protagonist gets the girl in the end" conclusion, regardless of how much of an otaku, geek, or social pariah he is, they see that shit and think "why not me?" It's a tired trope but feels good to cope.
YAAAAAAAS QUEEEEEEEEEEEN
It is actually really frustrating how women can acknowledge there is a problem but being completely unwilling to do anything about it while also being mad at you for deciding not to do anything about it either

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Is this some kind of copypasta? Not inaccurate though.
Hey, I'm firmly in the "juice ain't worth the squeeze" camp, though I'm admittedly no longer in the under-30 age bracket.
Anyone worth being with is already married to someone else, and all you have left is the walking sperm banks and substance abusers and single moms that nobody else wanted, if you get a chance with anyone at all.

Dating after 30 is an empty and desolate wasteland.
Worse than that, were actively told that the things women want out of a man are bad and we shouldn't do them. It's that old meme about liberal women being attracted to conservative men. We're literally trained to be unattractive to women, by women.

So much shit would be fixed if we didn't fuck up young men with lies about how dating works.


There's an article? Is that what the A stands for?
>Train men to engage in behavior that is unattractive to women
>Complain that you can't meet a man you find attractive

Seems legit 🤔
You've never lived until you used a fatties roll to jack you off.
That's almost as bad as Nick Bate's method of jacking off.
I wonder how high your blood pressured got, writing all that out.
This is how @Quiche Lorraine views posting here:
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other than the massive upraise in crime we've already seen
It just came to me that if the night of 1200 rapes from germany in 2016 happened today a non insignificant ammount of the population would straight up cheer for the rapists. Really crazy to think how far society has drifted and even crazier to think how far its going to drift in the near future.
 
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