UK Young white men do have problems, but they need to man up - Yes, masculinity is in crisis, but the truth is that masculinity has always been in crisis

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Last weekend I was on a panel at the Oxford Literary Festival (sponsored by The Telegraph, if you please) and the topic was the Southport riots. In considering the subject, the excellent Tony Sewell, aka the Lord Sewell of Sanderstead, aired the view that one big cause of social unrest in Britain is that white working class boys are left behind. They’re bottom of the barrel, whether in school, higher education prospects, health, happiness, or projected income. Sewell, the chair of the 2021 Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report, knows the stats well. His report found that “systemic racism” is not what lies behind disparities in outcome in Britain: it’s class, and poor white youth, mostly boys, do by far the worst.

This wasn’t the first time the topic of struggling working class white boys hit the headlines. There has long been a panic about the effect that feminism, and more recently MeToo, and the discourse of “toxic” masculinity have had on their psyches, leaving them no choice but to turn to that barbarian Andrew Tate in droves.

The topic has once more caught fire since Netflix’s Adolescence came out, the miniseries about an English teenage (white, working class) boy accused of the murder of a female classmate.

So revered is Adolescence as a – perhaps the – document for our times that Keir Starmer has on multiple occasions intoned reference to it in Parliament, mistakenly and hilariously calling it a documentary. It has provoked anti-woke fury among those who believe that a white boy is the fall guy in a story of violence by another ethnic group; it is always safe, they point out, to blame a white cisgendered heterosexual male.

And it has provoked that whiny mixture of faux indignation and performative sentimentalism among those who feel, as their sons turn to Tate (or know boys who do), that they must hold their nose and take seriously the idea that perhaps this squashed, left-out, derided demographic – once the backbone of the Empire – has been given a raw deal since in the decades since wokeness began its institutional creep.

Despite its zeitgeistiness, I have refused to watch Adolescence. I may be among the last few, at least in the chattering classes, who have not tuned in.

There are several reasons for my refusal. One is that the miniseries is obviously far too depressing. When I turn on a streaming platform these days, I want something jollier, something more along the lines of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City or The White Lotus.

The second is that, while I recognise that this group is suffering, I simply don’t feel inclined to indulge in either the huge pity party, or the jamboree of toxic-masculinity-awareness-raising, that Adolescence has inspired.

Yes, masculinity is in crisis, but the truth is that masculinity has always been in crisis – ask any social historian. And as with all moments of media-friendly crises of masculinity, we find ourselves talking about men like they are helpless little flowers. It is odd.

Working-class white boys are found to be treated badly, and therefore to do badly and act badly. One of the big issues cited is that they don’t know their worth or purpose anymore in a society constantly calling them “toxic”.

Very sad, but it is possible to get over such slights and thrive anyway. Women faced derision for almost all of history for simply being women – they were seen as neurotic, nervous, intellectually inferior, limited to backbreaking domestic labour and breeding. Any who tried to go beyond this were stymied, ridiculed and often simply barred.

Of course there was no educational encouragement or even guaranteed access, unlike that enjoyed by every single child in Britain today. And it was completely acceptable for husbands to beat or rape wives seen as intransigent, or just irritatingly alive. And still women by and large obeyed the law and tried to get on.

Some sniping about “toxic masculinity” is hardly a life sentence. And if boys are small men, and men are meant to be tough (which is why so many are frustrated now, we are told, in this “feminised” society) can’t they hold strong even in the face of adversity?

The idea that if we don’t give them all a big cultural and social hug they’ll commit violence and become arsonists and misogynists isn’t good enough. Why can’t we expect them to be decent, hardworking people … even in tough circumstances? It might be good for them, even though we’d immediately be told we are crushing them with “unrealistic expectations”.

Yes, young white men need help and encouragement and resources and schemes and mentorships and to not be told they are worthless. But they are not entirely victims either. They do have a bit of agency; they do have their own will.

I don’t wish the draft on anybody’s son
but it does occur to one that in days gone by, the majority of these rootless boys without obvious or easy prospects, held back by socioeconomic class (in far more rigid, brutal times) would have donned a uniform and gone off to war. Many would have died, which is a tragedy that is every parent’s worst nightmare.

For many, though, it was the making of them: they were scalded into men, they tasted valour, heroism and – for the more thuggish – the satisfaction of the appetite for brute force and combat, sanctioned by the state.

Let Britain be saved from a war like those that our 20th-century forefathers and mothers experienced. May conscription never be necessary again. But let us find some way to get our ne’er-do-wells, stragglers and miserable young men into something bigger than themselves, to stop them gravitating to all that is lower, nastier and meaner.
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Zoe Strimpel is a journalist, historian and author who writes a weekly column for The Sunday Telegraph. She covers gender, dating, identity, and topical events. You can find her on Twitter @realzoestrimpel.
 
Two years of literal, admitted terrorism that did absolutely nothing to convince people women could be rational voters, and in fact did the complete opposite and massively set back the suffrage movement because people started thinking crazy terrorists shouldn't be allowed to vote.
This is why I hate the "men allowed women to vote!!" mentality. Even in USA women have bombed the senate and twice tried to kill the president, ostensible democracy changes nothing they have always been out of control.
 
Would the men who died for their country in WW2 have done it again knowing what hell their country was heading into? Genuine question, if you knew that this was what your sacrifice was leading to, a country taken over by rape apes and being told that as a white man that they know it’s tough but suck it up.
Every single veteran I have spoken too including my Grandfather has said the same thing "Yes we would still fight Hitler because Hitler was an evil twat" they would then follow up by saying they would be more vigilant in the after years to stop the shit show we have now.

I'm sure there are those that would say otherwise but I can only go on what the ones i spoke to told me.
 
Every single veteran I have spoken too including my Grandfather has said the same thing "Yes we would still fight Hitler because Hitler was an evil twat" they would then follow up by saying they would be more vigilant in the after years to stop the shit show we have now.
Big talk, but the tide of history was against them. The Post War Prosperity Period made tons of people stupid, and the biggest cohort of all were Boomers who wanted sex, drugs, and rock and roll, and would reward any corporation or government that gave it to them. We can't also forget that the people most responsible for enacting the great changes in social and economic policy that led to America becoming an immigrant-clogged Clown World getting raped by banks were Greatest Gen'ers and Silents. They were the ones who enacted the War on Poverty and opened the floodgates to foreign scab workers.

We can't also forget that there are tons of Americans back then that were okay with Clown World and found it fine and dandy. They wouldn't let a bunch of veterans derail it without a fight.
 
Let Britain be saved from a war like those that our 20th-century forefathers and mothers experienced. May conscription never be necessary again. But let us find some way to get our ne’er-do-wells, stragglers and miserable young men into something bigger than themselves, to stop them gravitating to all that is lower, nastier and meaner.
Britain nor its young men were "saved" by the wars in the 20th century. WW1 and WW2 are some of the biggest reasons the British Empire would decolonize and collapse later on. Of course, it wasn't the only reason, but it's hard to keep a worldwide empire together when all your soldiers get destroyed in the meatgrinder, and you have massive debt owed to foreign countries.

Now I doubt the British would've kept the empire even if they had just ignored Germany completely on the continent (a giant German hegemony also causes other issues), but it probably would've given them a few more decades, at least.

Also, if you want young men to actually work for a cause "bigger than themselves" maybe you should govern a functional nation with a future. You don't need a massive war. Of course, such thinking is just an impossibility in the mind of a modern politician especially British MPs.
Some sniping about “toxic masculinity” is hardly a life sentence. And if boys are small men, and men are meant to be tough (which is why so many are frustrated now, we are told, in this “feminised” society) can’t they hold strong even in the face of adversity?

The idea that if we don’t give them all a big cultural and social hug they’ll commit violence and become arsonists and misogynists isn’t good enough. Why can’t we expect them to be decent, hardworking people … even in tough circumstances? It might be good for them, even though we’d immediately be told we are crushing them with “unrealistic expectations”.
There's a difference between "being tough in the face of adversity" and fighting a seemingly hopeless battle. Men, and people in general stay tough in the face of adversity because they see a way out on the other side. If people believe their hard work will be rewarded they keep at it, and if they believe it's a pointless struggle, they give up, or try to do something else. Only the most pathological people, or those with strong willpowers struggle for things that they know or think is unattainable. Peasants were told their labors would be rewarded in heaven, and young men were told they would be immortalized by their struggles during the World Wars.

This makes sense from the evolutionary perspective of our Neolithic ancestors because why the hell would you waste energy on something pointless when you could have a higher chance of surviving doing something worthwhile? The fact the author doesn't even realize this basic human behavior means she's just massively retarded.

I wouldn't be worried about mass violence from young white men. Hell I wouldn't worry about mass violence in general just yet. I know people like to doom, but let's be honest here. The majority of people can still feed themselves, and the majority of people still have roofs over their heads. Of course things fucking suck with shitty jobs, and its getting harder and harder for more and more people to get their basic needs met. As long as the status quo of entertainment, food, and shelter is maintained there will be no mass violence. Of course, it probably won't be maintained once you have the competent parts of your population give up. The "entertainment" is turning into dogshit, and TPTB seem hellbent on causing a food crisis.

When you need to start sweating bullets is when the massive global economic collapse happens. I won't be sweating as much as the politicians and authors like this cunt though. They'll be the first to go.
 
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