Your morality on conceiving vs adopting babies when your body is weak

[We Are The Witches]

This question goes to males as well as females.

Let's say you want to have children but you know your body has undesirable traits that would mildly or heavily impact your children's quality of life (I know everyone in here is a Chad & Chadette with premium genetic code, of course, but try to imagine) such as mental (like let's say they may have an increase risk of developing anhedonia or whatever else), or physical (not trivial stuff but not life ending either, like maybe your heart is not the best, or your back, or skin conditions, etc), would you, purely based on the amount of suffering you may give your babies in the long run due to your genetics (and not due to political bullshit) decide to adopt instead of conceiving a baby?

Do you see someone doing otherwise as selfish? Let me remind you that I know this topic is subjective & I'd probably have to give an exact measure of how bad the genetic code is, the probability of that passing down to your kids, etc, but let's keep it simple. If you need specific examples, provide them yourself, but think of a scenario where you know important traits will definitely impact negatively your baby once they grow up, more so than for the average person.

As for me, if the impact is relatively substantial, I think it would be selfish to have this baby from your own body, and would prefer the alternative & adopt, since they are also children who deserve love.

 

[Audit]

Yes, I do think that jeets shouldn't be allowed to conceive offspring.

This was an easy question. Let's go further. Should mixed race humans with admixture from jeets or nogs be allowed to breed?

 

[Divine Power]

I would rather have a baby of my own, even if they inherit my not-so-great genetics, than adopt a child who is far superior genetically. Because remember, you are never their actual dad - the unique biological connection will never be there. That sense of being their real dad, sharing that bloodline, is something that feels very important to me

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

The body is the true self. Your mind is merely the edge of your weapon, and your entire body is the weapon. Master yourself, and you can master any sword.

 

[We Are The Witches]

I would rather have a baby of my own, even if they inherit my not-so-great genetics, than adopt a child who is far superior genetically. Because remember, you are never their actual dad - the unique biological connection will never be there. That sense of being their real dad, sharing that bloodline, is something that feels very important to me

Even if it makes them suffer (more)? Or have a great chance of not succeeding?

I believe that love can be stronger than blood, so you can adopt a baby that will have you as their "true" parent, taking care of them from the very beginning.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Reproduction is a human right and a moral imperative, it's immoral to only adopt instead of reproducing (if possible). There are no exceptions.

 

[We Are The Witches]

Reproduction is a human right and a moral imperative, it's immoral to only adopt instead of reproducing (if possible). There are no exceptions.

Why is it a moral imperative? I don't agree with you by the way.

 

[Divine Power]

Even if it makes them suffer (more)? Or have a great chance of not succeeding?

I believe that love can be stronger than blood, so you can adopt a baby that will have you as their "true" parent, taking care of them from the very beginning.

There is always someone who is genetically superior to you. Adopting won’t change that unless you have a very serious genetic malfunction

 

[We Are The Witches]

There is always someone who is genetically superior to you. Adopting won’t change that unless you have a very serious genetic malfunction

Well, the hypothetical assumes that your genetic code is lower in quality than the average person, so most likely including the one from the adopted baby's biological parents.

In other words, the quality of life of your own child will be somewhat heavily impacted negatively, while if you adopted, it won't as much or at all, by a relatively noticeable margin.

 

[Troonos]

Why is it a moral imperative? I don't agree with you by the way.

It isn't even a moral imperative. It's a biological imperative.

 

[Divine Power]

Well, the hypothetical assumes that your genetic code is lower in quality than the average person, so most likely including the one from the adopted baby's biological parents.

In other words, the quality of life of your own child will be somewhat heavily impacted negatively, while if you adopted, it won't as much or at all, by a relatively noticeable margin.

If your genetic code is lower in quality than the average person, you might not even be fucking bright enough to think that way. Very intellectual people don’t care about genetics, let alone someone who is genetically inferior.

That line of thinking replacing your own child with another man’s child because you believe you’re inferior is inhuman and borders on cuckolding.

 

[We Are The Witches]

That line of thinking replacing your own child with another man’s child because you believe you’re inferior is inhuman and borders on cuckolding.

Ok, the whole point of this is to not bring suffering to your own child when it can be avoided before it even starts to happen. You're not inferior as a person as a whole, but some traits you have may be like an anchor stuck to their neck for the rest of their life, so you'd consider avoiding that.

This other father/mother is not even part of the equation, they could not be with their baby and they lost their opportunity, nobody cares about them, now you have the chance though to bring happiness to this baby.

That's the perspective, I understand your feelings on this & don't aim to change your position, but you have some stuff twisted given that last sentence.

 

[DumbDude43]

adoption makes sense inside the family
like, if something happens to your sibling or cousin and their kids become orphans, you adopt and raise them in their stead
outside the family it is almost never good. maybe between very close lifelong friends, but not beyond that

 

[Divine Power]

Ok, the whole point of this is to not bring suffering to your own child when it can be avoided before it even starts to happen. You're not inferior as a person as a whole, but some traits you have may be like an anchor stuck to their neck for the rest of their life, so you'd consider avoiding that.

This other father/mother is not even part of the equation, they could not be with their baby and they lost their opportunity, nobody cares about them, now you have the chance though to bring happiness to this baby.

That's the perspective, I undesrtand your feelings on this & don't aim to change your position, but you have some stuff twisted given that last sentence.

I would rather have a loser as my child than raise another man’s winner, because remember, you are never his actual dad, he won't look like you or share his mom traits or anything.

Suffering can't be completely avoided anyway. We are all suffering, superior or not. We are all limited in some way or another; some are born shorter than they would like to be or uglier than they would like to be, maybe you think you are stupid but you would like to be smarter.

 

[DumbDude43]

Ok, the whole point of this is to not bring suffering to your own child when it can be avoided before it even starts to happen. You're not inferior as a person as a whole, but some traits you have may be like an anchor stuck to their neck for the rest of their life, so you'd consider avoiding that.

This other father/mother is not even part of the equation, they could not be with their baby and they lost their opportunity, nobody cares about them, now you have the chance though to bring happiness to this baby.

That's the perspective, I understand your feelings on this & don't aim to change your position, but you have some stuff twisted given that last sentence.

is your own existence such unbearable suffering because of your shit genes that you would actually prefer to not exist? then just kill yourself now and spare the rest of the world your whiny self-loathing, faggot.
it isn't? then it won't be for your child either.

 

[We Are The Witches]

outside the family it is almost never good

Ok, and why do you think this then?

Specific stuff you want to share? Do you think they'll never see you as their true parent?

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Basically unless someone has a relatively severe physical condition that they're pretty sure their kid will inherit I don't see deliberately not reproducing.

As for psychological features, I remember there being a case of some family (Google tells me they're the Galvin family) where they had 12 children, and 6 of their sons eventually developed violent schizophrenia, which they traced to a gene mutation on the mother's side. Unless your children are going to be on the level of something like that where they're going to be actual madmen who will wind up dead or in an institution, the idea is silly.

Your average person (aka someone who isn't a retarded obese yokel or swarthoid) in current day already doesn't reproduce enough, there's no reason to embrace neuroticism and oversocialization by fretting over whether your genes are "quality" enough to reproduce.
As always, the kind of people who worry about whether or not it's right for them to have kids are almost always the ones who should.

Ok, the whole point of this is to not bring suffering to your own child when it can be avoided before it even starts to happen. You're not inferior as a person as a whole, but some traits you have may be like an anchor stuck to their neck for the rest of their life, so you'd consider avoiding that.

There's never any way to pre-determine suffering, and we're back to the philosophical question of whether it's better to not exist at all than to suffer.

Also consider that there's a fair bit of egotism in that line of thinking.
What makes you think that your child is going to be helpless and unable to figure out how to rise above and be satisfied for themselves, to the point you should decide for them that they shouldn't even exist? Just because we consider something an anchor around our neck doesn't mean our children will.

If someone has the means to adopt a child, they should just make one themselves.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Why is it a moral imperative? I don't agree with you by the way.

It's Biblical, if you're not Christian then your disagreement makes more sense, but even from a naturalistic perspective it's your biological imperative to reproduce, so no matter how you look at it that's what people are supposed to do.

 

[YWNBAM]

would you, purely based on the amount of suffering you may give your babies in the long run due to your genetics (and not due to political bullshit) decide to adopt instead of conceiving a baby?

Personally, no, since I would never adopt a child either. But honestly, if someone's got their life together - emotionally mature, sane and financially stable enough to raise and love a whole human properly - then they should go for it.

What's actually messed up are people who know how much they've struggled with certain conditions such as autism or other physical/mental challenges, yet still decide to have biological kids who will inherent the same problems, if not worse.

And most of them, no suprise here, are men who just go on and on about how it's sooo important to spread their shitty genes. It's painfully obvious they just want a mini-me to flex on other guys with and to avoid being a "cuck" in front of them. And the child in question is nothing but a puppy for them that just happens to have a half of their genes ("and dats why I, as a man, even give a shit about this creature, lol. It's literally me!!!"). The retard daddy won't be the one dealing with the consequences of his immature actions, because there's always a woman, who's life he can ruin instead by dropping off his offspring to her and running into the sunset.

This is pure selfishness. There's a very good reason why many men are forced to stay single and way many more who should have been. Incels are biological dead ends who have no right to even give out a peep about wanting kids. A bunch of morons and brainless apes.

 

[Otterly]

such as mental (like let's say they may have an increase risk of developing anhedonia

physical (not trivial stuff but not life ending either, like maybe your heart is not the best, or your back, or skin conditions, etc),

I just want to point out here that just because YOU may have a history of depression or a skin condition, or even a heart issue it does NOT always mean the offspring will do as well. Your past is not your future, for the psychological stuff, and unless you have a single-gene, dominant heart issue, chances are the baby would be fine.
Even if you do have a specific single gene dominant, it’s possible to have IVF and weed out embryos that have it (depends if you’re Ok with that morally ofc.)
Remember that there is a very limited supply of healthy babies. The babies given up for adoption overwhelmingly have serious problems themselves. Your chances of decent mental and physical health are likely better if it’s your own baby.