Your morality on conceiving vs adopting babies when your body is weak

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The main issue with adoption that people don't like to talk about is that kids put into adoption are usually genetic and environmental fuck ups that are incredibly likely to repeat their biological parents sins.
 
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I think couples shouldn't be shamed for adopting if their bodies can't procreate, and I think healthy couples shouldn't be indoctrinated into the cult of the almighty white birthrate either. Having babies purely for the sake of having them is how you end up with slavshit nations like my own.
 
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Good for you about thinking about these things out loud, asking questions. More people should do that.
Thank you, I had this on my mind for a while.
I’d also stick my neck out and wonder if part of the question is a bit of a fear of pregnancy and birth. How do you feel about pregnancy and birth in and of themselves @We Are The Witches ?
Well no, that is of course another concern I'd have (for a hypothetical partner), but this thread was not related to that. Also, I myself cannot get pregnant, just to be clear.

Any of the numerous complications that could happen during pregnancy are indeed scary & would make me fear for my partner and baby as well, but on that end I'd try to remain positive since there's no reason to default to negativity.

It's when the potential problems already exist (as I mentioned with health issues), that I was wondering about, and how the morality of people in here would answer this question.

This has already gotten some responses so I appreciate that, but just the thought of bringing life to this world, and have that child with a potential severe handicap (be it due to mental issues, sight, heart, etc) that would make them wonder why their parent/s were so selfish & careless is something I take seriously.
 
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have that child with a potential severe handicap (be it due to mental issues, sight, heart, etc) that would make them wonder why their parent/s were so selfish & careless is something I take seriously.
Are you male?
What are the chances of the baby actually having those issues?
An adopted baby, realistically would have a high chance of more severe ones.
 
Pretty much all of the good points I'd have liked to make have been said in this thread already. I will say though that beyond embryo selection, like Otterly pointed out, there is likely going to be gene therapy treatments for conditions in the near future for young children. I really wish human cloning legislature(and protocols for human cloning itself) could be handled properly though, as some of the best ways to fix complex issues would involve multiple gene edits from cells grown from an embryo and then taking the final product and using that to make a clone that is now free of its defects.

The range of things this could fix is pretty broad, compared to what gene therapy and embryo selection can do. Embryo selection can only make due with the best of what both parents provide and you're trying to pick the best from a set of dice rolls. Gene therapies come with all kinds of issues with their patients' immune system and potential side effects from the genes implanted. Neither treatment on its own could fix something like a chromosomal disorder -- well, embryo selection has a chance to but it's a small chance per embryo. There are techniques to insert or try and remove chromosomes however. Likewise the gene editing that could be done on those cell lines can solve very complex genetic issues, like those that feature multiple genes being faulty.

I will also say that in the absence of you being able to have healthy kids, you could seek out a close relative who can provide their "material" for something like IVF. The child in the end will be more closely related to you than an adopted child is going to be and you'll be furthering your family's bloodline, just a different section of it. Alternatively getting the material from people who are exceptional(e.g. eugenic) is also a good option over adoption if you are able to have kids but are just worried about your own genetics(or your partner is worried about theirs). Exceptional people often make exceptional kids and the world needs every good soul it can birth.

Also, some things seen as defects can have their own boons. Even things that are often seen as generally bad for the development of a child can contribute in just the right way, in the right storm of circumstances, to make great people. Isaac Newton was born heavily premature, as was Einstein and many, many other geniuses and notable people in history. Likewise the line between a madman who writes manic non-sense on his walls with his own shit and a great artist isn't by their proneness to psychosis, schizophrenia, or other mental illnesses. All of this is to say that great people are abnormal and often very flawed, so flaws shouldn't be avoided at all costs. Your child, even if they inherit your proneness to schizophrenia, depression or whatever else, is not doomed to fail.
 
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Well, thanks for the replies.
Are you male?
What are the chances of the baby actually having those issues?
An adopted baby, realistically would have a high chance of more severe ones.
Yes. I don't know the probability of that passing down in my case, but still this thread is more in theory than in practice for me, as I'm nowhere near the point where I'd have kids, if I do at all. Better to think about this as soon as possible though, so that's one of the reasons for the thread.

I don't know how it is with adopted babies & their health issues, haven't really researched deeply into this yet, but I assume some degree of accurate information in regards to their health or even their parents' (?) is given prior to the adoption, in order to take a resposible decision.
 
Better to think about this as soon as possible though,
Yeah, but don’t overthink it. If everyone had everything their parents had we’d all be a crippled mush by now . The genetic recombination exists purely for that reason, to give things a fresh shake each go around. Of course there are some things it’s good to know about - if you’re a carrier for cystic fibrosis for example you’ll likely want to have screening with a partner. If you have a serious structural heart issue that could be passed down, ditto, But we all have a bunch of potentially lethal recessive genes - all of us. Having bottle bottom glasses or eczema doesn’t preclude you from having a good life.
The most important thing, in my opinion, is a STABLE loving home. Moneys great, and all that, but two sensible parents who don’t have drink or drug or temper or perversion issues and are raising kids in a sensible, loving manner is better than almost anything. Just look at how some of the offspring of the ultra rich turn out.
The most important choice you now face is a high quality female to reproduce with, and THAT is a difficult choice. It’s the biggest most impactful choice you’ll make in your life, so worry about that first.
It’s good to consider these things, but please don’t get any anxiety that you’re in some way defective and shouldn’t breed if you do actually want children. Awful lot of antinatalist propaganda around.
 
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