Disaster Your segregated town might finally be in trouble - Biden admin reimplements Obama policy to stuff middle class neighborhoods with Section 8 apartments because they are too White

HUD hopes its new rule to combat segregation will last longer than Obama’s.​

By Rachel M. Cohen Jan 23, 2023, 11:30am EST

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HUD Secretary Marcia Fudge testifies before the Senate appropriations subcommittee on May 12, 2022. |Ting Shen/Bloomberg via Getty Images

Rachel M. Cohen has been covering social policy and politics for over a decade in Washington D.C. She is a senior domestic policy reporter at Vox.

For 55 years, the Fair Housing Act, the landmark civil rights law meant to address housing discrimination, has required communities to certify that they are working to reduce government-sponsored segregation. But for decades, the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) did little to ensure cities were actually following through.

A new regulation is meant to give that desegregation mandate some teeth. The Biden administration’s housing department proposed a new rule last week that would require virtually all communities across the US to create plans to address local housing discrimination or face a penalty, including the potential loss of billions of dollars in federal funding. Essentially, any city or county that accepts HUD grant money — large and small, rural, urban, and suburban — would have to comply.

Under the 284-page rule, known as the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule, communities would need to craft their plans with input from local stakeholders, and submit them to HUD for approval. If approved, communities would then need to provide annual updates on their progress, and individuals could file federal complaints if they feel their leaders are dragging their feet.

This newfound toughness from HUD — backed by enforcement mechanisms and credible threats of yanking needed funding — could finally spell an end to the federal government turning a blind eye toward housing segregation. But a previous attempt by the Obama administration to do the same was stymied when Donald Trump was elected, and it’s not yet clear if this second try will meet the same fate.

“We are done with communities that do not serve people,” Housing Secretary Marcia Fudge told reporters. “We are going to hold responsible those that we give resources to. We no longer as a federal government can continue to fail the very people we need to help.”

The Biden administration is seeking public comment on its rule over the next 60 days, with the intent to have a final version take effect later this year.

A coalition of three dozen housing and civil rights groups — including the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, the ACLU, UnidosUS, and the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law — hailed the release of the rule, calling it “an important step toward creating more equitable and affordable housing opportunities and stronger, more viable neighborhoods.”

Huh, wait, haven’t we heard this song before? (Yep.)​

“Affirmatively furthering fair housing” is a mouthful, but what it really means is that banning housing discrimination is not enough. Just as important, according to the late US senator from Minnesota and Fair Housing Act co-author Walter Mondale, is to replace segregated neighborhoods with “truly integrated and balanced living patterns.”

In other words, desegregating the country requires some proactive — or “affirmative” measures — like providing rides and counseling to those who might want to move from a low-income urban area to an affluent suburban one. It might require increasing the value of housing vouchers so that low-income recipients could cash them out in more expensive neighborhoods. It might require cities to steer new subsidized housing development into wealthier (and whiter) locales.

In 2008, a national commission on fair housing concluded that HUD requires “no evidence that anything is actually being done as a condition of funding,” and that municipalities that actively discriminate or fail to promote integration go unpunished. This conclusion was echoed by a Government Accountability Office report in 2010, which found that communities were failing to comply with federal fair housing mandates and that HUD was failing to enforce those rules.

So in 2015, the Obama administration released its own similar regulation, intended to affirmatively further fair housing. It was considered a long-awaited victory for civil rights — but faced a backlash from conservatives and some local governments. Stanley Kurtz of National Review called it “easily one of President Obama’s most radical initiatives.” Trump called the desegregation rule an attempt to “abolish the suburbs.” Ben Carson, who would go on to lead HUD under Trump, likewise claimedthe AFFH rule was just another “mandated social-engineering schem[e].”

The Trump administration took several steps to weaken the rule, including releasing its own version, which civil rights groups blasted as weak and hollow. Shortly after taking office, Biden pledged to rescind Trump’s regulation and recommit to fully implementing the Fair Housing Act.

The Obama-era rule, while in effect only a short while, had some problems, too.

Phil Tegeler, executive director of the Poverty Race and Research Action Council, a civil rights group, said it was “not strong enough” in some key ways, particularly when it came to providing opportunities for local advocates to appeal lackluster progress.

Tegeler also felt many communities were refusing to “confront their history of segregation head-on” and instead proposed in their fair housing plans only measures that would invest more significantly in high-poverty communities: “It’s supposed to be a both/and rule, but when you look at the plans, many of them were not balanced, and were doing very little in terms of setting goals around housing mobility and desegregation.”
Biden housing officials say they believe their proposed version includes important updates to make it easier for smaller communities to participate, and harder for leaders to skirt their duties.

The changes include making the required data analysis easier, so that jurisdictions would not need to hire outside consultants to get it done. They also include pledges for beefed-up technical assistance, more mechanisms for enforcement, and increased public transparency rules. Local governments would also be required tohold multiple community meetings, at different times of the day and in different locations, to incorporate feedback from a broader array of constituents.

“We are cognizant of the fact that public engagement is often done in a way that only turns out certain voices,” HUD’s Deputy General Counsel for Fair Housing Sasha Samberg-Champion told me. “We can’t expect working people can show up to a 3 pm meeting.”

Will this revision last?​

Ultimately, though, what doomed the Obama-era rule wasn’t its omissions and practical difficulties — it was that it existed for so little time before the Trump administration crushed it. This meant that no community ever really had to change its behavior in lasting ways; desegregation, if we’re serious about it, would require sustained commitment over years. If Republicans take back the White House in 2024 or 2028, will this new rule meet the same fate?

HUD declined to comment when I asked them this. But it’s clear federal housing officials were at least thinking about the risk of legal ping-pong when they crafted their new rule, because they designed it without a separate enforcement tool that had accompanied the Obama-era regulation. To stymie Obama’s rule while still technically leaving it on the books, Trump officials scrapped the enforcement tool — a narrow-seeming move that allowed the Trump administration to prevail in court.

Put differently, to impede Biden’s rule, opponents would at least have to come up with something else to argue in front of a judge.

Tegeler, of the Poverty Race and Research Action Council, feels cautiously optimistic about the rule’s chances to survive this time around.

“The fact that the prior rule came out in 2015 and became a campaign issue, along with the false narrative about taking away suburban zoning power and all that nonsense, I think that was a recipe for repeal of the rule in the new administration,” he told me. “The problem was there wasn’t enough time for this to become a routine part of federal housing programs. If it had come out in 2013, I think it would have been quite different; there would have been four years of practice, and it wouldn’t have been such a big deal.”

That said, if the rule is only in effect for one year and then a Republican takes the White House, it’s hard to say what they might do. “It depends on how much of a political football it becomes,” Tegeler said.

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thats what condo complexes, the country and gated communities were invented for.
back in the day when gated communities were new, they may as well have been mini ethnostates.
Condos just use condo and HOA fees to keep the niggers at bay. Everyone else gets fucked. I've seen condo complexes with fees higher than the actual mortgages. You an guess how diverse their residence are.
 
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My neighborhood is not particularly nice. The poors who are just un-poor enough to be able to buy a house outside of the darkest hood live here in crumbling little post-war factory houses. As you might guess, there are a lot of blacks and browns here, especially on the east(my) side of the neighborhood, which butts up to a major road with an industrial park and train tracks.

But, pretty much everyone here gets up in the morning, goes to work, mows their yard, sends their kids off to school, and all of that shit. Even the blacks and browns.

If I were to go out tomorrow and ask said blacks and browns if they want their relatively peaceful space ruined with a Section 8 project and a bunch of jobless cracked out niggers scampering around, breaking into their cars and shooting each other on the same sidewalks their kids use, 100% of them would say 'FUCK NO'.
 
If I were to go out tomorrow and ask said blacks and browns if they want their relatively peaceful space ruined with a Section 8 project and a bunch of jobless cracked out niggers scampering around, breaking into their cars and shooting each other on the same sidewalks their kids use, 100% of them would say 'FUCK NO'.
Hey, hey, hey how DARE you insist that upper middle class white women don't know what black and brown people need.
 
Can Martha Vineyard, Newport, Taos and other rich liberal enclaves get Section 8 apartments, if yes then I am all for it.
The Biden administration’s housing department proposed a new rule last week that would require virtually all communities across the US
Silly poster, diversity enforcement is only for the poors.
 
You talk as if it bothers them at all. Most of these idiots don't care about being robbed or raped or murdered. And those who do, get shouted down by the other ones as racist.
True. However the end result is still one less leftoid and many people who haven't drunk the kool-aid realize that the people championing for this insanity is out to die themselves.

Either way, the lunatics become examples themselves.
 
Why do they hate segregation so much? People do it on their own. You don't have to be a racist to notice that people like living around others who look like them.

But then you remember that the entire point of Marxism is brainwashing humanity into becoming something else.

Yeah they say it themselves. Destruction of the Family Unit, thats the strongest bond that needs to be broken. Then you need to break apart other social bonds. Race, class, even friendships. Then you are now completely brainwashed to serve the state, not any other shit. And if they say if you need to sacrifice your first born or your neighbor in some state ritual, you will now do it.

Sorry I'm reiterating now aren't I
 
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Segregation? Black people are forbidden from buying houses in nice areas? I thought that was illegal? Oh you mean forcing social housing into areas? That’s not really segregation is it? The words these people use….
affirmative” measures — like providing rides and counseling to those who might want to move from a low-income urban area to an affluent suburban one.
Look if you can’t afford it you can’t live there. I’d like a nice castle but I live in a small house because that’s what we can afford. Do I get some vouchers for a castle? Small one will do, just a small estate.
 
Niggers are going to keep insisting on forcing themselves on whites right up to the reintroduction of sundown towns.

Don't believe me? Look at what happened in the wake of Katrina. Big enough disaster and segregation gets enforced at gunpoint.
 
What they don't mention is that there's a waiting list for Section 8 Housing in most places, so any they add are probably going to come pre-filled with the absolute worst of society.

The last Section 8 stuff that went up in my area had them bussing in room-temperature-IQ Somolians and literal crack addicts to fill it. That attracted drug dealers. And that attracted shady pawn-shops, liquor stores, "internet cafes", ect.

Within a year, it transformed an area from a quiet side of town filled with mostly older folks living there to a run-down ghetto with trash and junkies everywhere that wouldn't look out of place in Fallout.

That's their end goal.
 
What they don't mention is that there's a waiting list for Section 8 Housing in most places, so any they add are probably going to come pre-filled with the absolute worst of society.

The last Section 8 stuff that went up in my area had them bussing in room-temperature-IQ Somolians and literal crack addicts to fill it. That attracted drug dealers. And that attracted shady pawn-shops, liquor stores, "internet cafes", ect.

Within a year, it transformed an area from a quiet side of town filled with mostly older folks living there to a run-down ghetto with trash and junkies everywhere that wouldn't look out of place in Fallout.

That's their end goal.
A similar thing is done by ‘spreading out refugees.’ All the dinghy arrivals and migrants (they are not refugees ffs) get spread out into little villages and towns, where they proceed to wreck the place.
The goal is no refuge for decent quiet people - your children will be drafted into the war, you will live in a hive and there’s no point moving to the woods becasue they just put a barracks of bored third world young men there who will rape anything having a nice walk in the woods
 
Ngl, but there's a good chance all this crap might be deemed unconstitutional in the coming years as the Supreme Court is drafting the Major Questions Doctrine that has been gutting the power of agencies to engage in ridiculously draconian rulemaking based on little to no statutory authority. What's more surprising is how the Biden admin keeps falling for it by pushing more and more retarded rules like these that lack ant statutory basis.
 
no they at least work hard and have jobs
I just meant in the sense that maybe you can meet your neighborhood diversity quota with Mexicans instead of a full blown crime wave (i didn't read the article and my comment wasn't very clear)
 
I guess we can only hope that the courts and SC do their fucking jobs here or we get a full dem purge next couple of elections.

People really didn't think they were going to let you get away from the hellscapes they created in cities?

Also don't forget how high density housing in small and medium towns and subs are going to affect elections! This is also about "their democracy" as well.. The sooner people realize this and start pointing it out the better!


The entire reason there's a housing issue is because rich liberals don't want cheaper housing near them. They vote for these policies until they have to physically deal with them. The liberal's core philosophy is "utopia but not in my backyard".

And they will use their local NIMBY powers to keep this shit away from themselves at any cost, while everyone else just has to learn to deal with it. I can already tell you how this looks in practice.. Low and medium income parts of town gets slums and the rich parts of town see legal battles unending with the help of local government all the way. (which is really the whole point of the modern power given to NIMBY in the first place)
 
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I thought this was something that the US already did. In the 50s, when the Democrats here won, they did just this. Wherever rich neighbor you go to in Puerto Rico, there is a public housing project nearby.
 
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