Youtube General thread (formerly Youtube Censorship discussion thread)

[SpellforceFan]

Every adblock user they convert to premium OR drive off the site permanently is money in the bank.

The obvious solution is to make sure users blocking ads cost them even more. Upgrade your ublock origin to Adnauseam, if possible look for ad blocking solutions that cause quantifiable financial harm to everyone involved in peddling ads - from businesses that buy ad space (through inflated costs of invoices from adsense) to businesses that show ads (through lawsuits from the former for fraudulent charges).

 

[Mao Hao Hao]

I no longer use adblock, it stopped working for me, instead I use a script installer thing that just doesn't allow ads to play at all. Sometimes long videos will pause partway because of it, but that's better than the endless bombardment of ads they force on you.

 

[Colon capital V]

Mootahar uploaded a video reporting on this

 

[gildersleeve]

Two months ago I lost a playlist. It was my original favorites list, I've had an account since late 2005. Many videos were lost over the years from attrition, deleted channels etc. the reason? "Child Endangerment" would they tell me the video? No. Was I able to appeal it? What do you think.
My only recorse was that they had a scrollable list of my videos I managed to copy paste the titles of videos to a text file. 5,000 videos. A list that took from 2006 to fill. I didn't even know you could max out a playlist.
There is wild shit on there. Was a it maybe a video of a guy in 2007 pranking a family member with a shock site like lemon party? I'll never know.

I started downloading everything. And I barely have the space for it.
What to archive? Smaller channels that mean much to me. Urinating Tree, Spax3, Gorbachev drama arhcives. THE RANTING COMMUNITY featuring such alumni like darknessthecurse, bigal2k6, lilylivers, randomDCE, classic ytp's like DINNER BLASTER, movies like War of the Servers, Gmod Idiot Box, Masiokas, stupid videos like Lotima Techno & early retsuprae. And so, so much music in large curated hours long mixes. Some of which I record to tape, shit I might as well start recording them to digital data streams on VHS's or finally get my DTO tape drive working again for some extra terrabytes of storage.p

There are so many cultural touchstones and little moments in YouTube that made up much of internet culture and collective culture disseminated over the last twenty years that I fear the day those data centers explode or get sold off as there's nobody willing to keep it forever as the rot slowly grows.

I don't know what else to say. But what the hell that's digital hell for you

 

[JesusChristDenton]

Just downloaded all of the Gmod Idiot Box by DasBoSchitt.

 

[Blackhole]

Can someone please make an archive of Spudgun's videos? He's a Victoria 2 MP youtuber, I enjoy his content.

 

[i440BX]

Finished downloading Crowbcat, some Taran von Herbet (former LTT video editor) video editing tutorials and Displaced Gamers.
I will become storage limited soon, but it would be cool that someone with more storage has an Ahoy backup.

 

[Gooby]

sponsorblock can already detect sponsorships inside videos to skip if it's the same youtube ads it's trivial pajeets eternally behind the arms race lmao

Yeah, I'm not too worried about this in the short term. I use Sponsorblock and it works great, on any decently sized channel the sponsors are manually marked within like 30 minutes of the video going live. If they shove ads into the videos themselves then people will mass-migrate to a Sponsorblock type add-on that lets users mark and auto-skip segments without even needing to find out what they skipped. Long-term the worry is some layered bullshit, like integrating the ads into the video itself and then also blocking you from controlling the video at all (no jumping to a point in the timeline past an ad ever).

 

[Null]

I think that Rumble (or another subsequent service) can have enough to maintain an alt-niche. People in this thread are thinking a generalized Youtube Killer will emerge and that's the part I think is unlikely.

oh heavens no, not a niche website. imagine the internet with content on many different websites instead of 3 you can Know and Trust. that'd be really bad.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Yeah, I'm not too worried about this in the short term. I use Sponsorblock and it works great, on any decently sized channel the sponsors are manually marked within like 30 minutes of the video going live. If they shove ads into the videos themselves then people will mass-migrate to a Sponsorblock type add-on that lets users mark and auto-skip segments without even needing to find out what they skipped. Long-term the worry is some layered bullshit, like integrating the ads into the video itself and then also blocking you from controlling the video at all (no jumping to a point in the timeline past an ad ever).

The way that YouTube is integrating these advertisements is randomly playing them at different spots in the video. So the standard way that Sponsorblock works is no longer effective. Now you need your adblocking software to be able to detect the exact moment an advertisement starts and ends every single time you watch or download a video. Manually marking them for other users will likely no longer be a solution.

This is what the biggest technology companies spend their time doing. Figuring out how to bombard users with scam advertisements rather than improve their websites or software. And devising ways to put every piece of software on a paid subscription model.

 

[Midnight Energy Drink]

oh heavens no, not a niche website. imagine the internet with content on many different websites instead of 3 you can Know and Trust. that'd be really bad.

If you're a real one Kiwi Farms is the biggest website you visit.

 

[reactionary]

If an ad makes it past my adblock, I'm getting AdNauseum. I won't let them spend my time to try and manipulate me.

Sponsorblock doesn't detect anything on its own, everything it skips is user submitted. Also, they said inserting ads directly into the video will throw off those user-submitted timestamps.

I used AdNauseam for quite some time and it was pretty shit as an adblocker.

 

[grapeshark77]

They would be banned. Videos describing how to download from or block ads on youtube are already technically bannable per the current TOS and there is no channel that is worth more to youtube than their monopoly on monetizable video hosting.

Quick notes to people suggesting this represents the "beginning of the end" for youtube.
1) People are cattle, for most the inconvenience of finding and installing an adblocker outweighs the inconvenience of being skullfucked by mcdonalds. Adblock users represent, depending on the source, somewhere between 11 and 38 percent of web users.
2) Adblock users are worth significantly less than nothing to youtube. You cost them money. They pay for priority bandwidth you are sucking up. They pay for server racks you are putting wear on. They pay for legal teams to enforce the copyright on videos you are watching for free. They pay for content moderation to pacify advertisers whose ads you aren't watching. Making ads harder to block will not affect the majority of people who don't use adblock and will not affect the people who pay for premium already. Every adblock user they convert to premium OR drive off the site permanently is money in the bank. Youtube will be a stronger company if they successfully make you hate their product and leave.

I do wonder at what point they start degrading the experience enough so the cattle stop watching. Nobody cares about a 30 second McDonalds ad. People do care about random unskippable ads that haven't been vetted and could have viruses/be an hour long/break the player.

The viewer numbers on Twitch have dropped every year and I don't think it's just because it's not 2020 - the ads have gotten worse, the UI is falling apart, the content is bad. It's never going to go away but it could lose a lot of viewers if they start hurting their regular ad-viewing customers.

 

[SomeSpook]

Now is the time to panic.

 

[mindlessobserver]

oh heavens no, not a niche website. imagine the internet with content on many different websites instead of 3 you can Know and Trust. that'd be really bad.

Would not want misinformation getting out there. The people are stupid and if they are told incorrect things, they may start getting incorrect ideas. And we can't have that.

 

[Xenomorph]

Stggs is now with me forever <3
Remember to Crush a can for Jay Owen

 

[sadbird]

sponsorblock can already detect sponsorships inside videos to skip if it's the same youtube ads it's trivial pajeets eternally behind the arms race lmao

Doesn't sponsorblock function purely on user input? You mark where they begin and end and it will basically skip that portion every time. So, theoretically if ads aren't random...

 

[The Honkler Cometh]

Would it be possible to have browser plugins which could archive compressed video data from creators you like (perhaps the audio waveforms) and filter out any parts which deviate from that data, thereby negating this newest YouTube faggotry?

Can anyone redpill me on this?

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

oh heavens no, not a niche website. imagine the internet with content on many different websites instead of 3 you can Know and Trust. that'd be really bad.

Unfortunately networking effects tend to favour fewer sites with more people on each. Vidya makers wants to upload to where they get the most ad-money. Advertisers favours the sites with the most users. Users favours the sites with the most content. It is a self reinforcing system.

 

[Digital Snow]

I used AdNauseam for quite some time and it was pretty shit as an adblocker.

It isn't an ad blocker, it just spams fake clicks on ads. You still see the ads, but it creates a massive headache for the website owner and makes it impossible to gather useful data on that user.