Culture YouTube Optimizes Subscription Feed - YouTube Fucks Creators Without Warning. Again.

The subscription box. The only reliable way to get the content you want from the creators you love; thats being thrown into into an algothrim now.

The bell Youtubers tell you to smash wont reliably notify you of new content, the trending page is filled with paid shills and normie content, and you might as well sniff your anal farts to figure out how the related tab works. The sub feed gone through a lot of changes, but it at least gave you the videos that came out in chronological order.

Is YouTube getting better?

 

[Chaos Theorist]

Just use the bell icon for everything so when you get actual notification from all channels with a bell button active as Youtube has a weird way of pushing videos you dont want to watch as other users who watch other videos you watch watch the new garbage.

Makes sense.

That "Bell" shit literally nuked ancient smaller channels that I subscribed to years ago. I manually check and I find them still uploading.

Obviously I wasn't getting their videos.

What channels?

 

[UptownRuckus]

Well...the way I see it. When you have a subsidiary like YouTube owned by Google, you don't care whatever the fuck you do with it because it doesn't make you as much money

 

[Dysnomia]

Likely because they want to favour bigger "safe" channels that make a lot of money (like whatever garbage turns up in the featured sections).
I'll bet the algorithm prefers channels that are on a youtube whitelist (like clips of certain late shows) over small channels that people actually watch.

That's why I make sure Youtube knows I'm not interested in that stuff. not that it stops them from recommending it.

They need to just have better preferences so everyone can customize their feed. But I guess that would prevent them from telling you how much you want to see corporate content.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Bitchute and Hooktube over Youtube all day, erryday.

I tried to find that parody video "Surrender our Future" to show somebody, but it was erased from YouTube completely. Oddly enough, the "Take back our Future" video was still up on a ton of other accounts.

I found it on BitChute, no problem. Youtube has market share right now; but if they keep this shit up, they won't have it for long.

 

[Emperor Julian]

I wish I had such a complete monopoly that I could make millions even though literally every single idea I've ever had was terrible.

It's genuinely amazing, they continue to make money in spite of themselves, it doesnt even really load quickly anymore due to the latest shit layout. Pretty much every update I've ever seen has made it objectively worse, I really do wonder how long the rotten edifice can stumble along and how much worse it can get. Realistically it's only a lack of competition and it's sheer size which is keeping it alive.

 

[Joey Caruso]

For the sake of fuck, this wouldn't even come close to being an issue if they'd just give the users the option of viewing their incoming stuff in either chronological or algorithmically sorted order. Same thing with Twitter and whatnot. Besides, didn't we already have the plain old homepage for getting our subscriptions sorted through a garbage algorithm that's mainly there to push what they wanna push?

There's no way this hasn't got some kind of shady behind-the-scenes motivation, I can't think of a single person who wants it. Somehow they keep conveniently "finding" that "some users" can supposedly find "the videos they want to watch" every time they do this, but would anyone really say they want their timeline run through some garbage script that shuffles everything around if YT were to just fucking ask about it?

 

[Dynamite Ninja]

I don't know why social media keeps trying to fuck up their user experiences in favor of shitty new designs nobody asked for.

YouTube has been pulling this bullshit since 2012 with their first unnecessary redesign.

 

[Slap47]

They need to just have better preferences so everyone can customize their feed. But I guess that would prevent them from telling you how much you want to see corporate content.

Yeah.

If I had to create a system for Youtube, I'd have it so that users subscribed to channels and got updates from the channels they subscribed to.

 

[Orkeosaurus]

"REEEEEEEEEEEEE". Nobody complains more about YouTube than "Content Creators". If they're worth their salt they could move anywhere else and their audience will follow them. I'm not saying its a good idea but it's really tiring hearing these guys bite the hand that feeds them.

 

[spiritofamermaid]

"REEEEEEEEEEEEE". Nobody complains more about YouTube than "Content Creators". If they're worth their salt they could move anywhere else and their audience will follow them. I'm not saying its a good idea but it's really tiring hearing these guys bite the hand that feeds them.

I'd disagree, even disregarding the monolith of Youtube, servers for video content is very expensive. I'd imagine Youtube is STILL in the red despite all these years. For instance, vid.me shut down because the server costs were too expensive to host the videos, and Youtube really has the only one to be able to maintain it. Even Twitch shut down their video archives because it was too expensive, with them only saving the past 3 or 4 streams for a few days before they're deleted (the only way to get around this is to make the entire stream a "highlight" so it's saved).

For smaller channels, sure, they could probably move and make their own site. But there's a marketing advantage to be on Youtube, and it's hard to deny that. But for larger channels with years of content I don't really know what they'd be able to do. But it's also why a lot of them are moving to Twitch and using Youtube as an archive site instead of a content sender.

You're not wrong regarding the "biting the hand that feeds them", but animators like myself have given up on the algorithm and either rely on other channels promoting us or staying on Twitch and using YT as an archive site.

 

[Ido]

I've pretty much had to rely on my side bar to show me if there are ever new videos to the channels I subscribed to, but even that doesn't always work so i have to make sure to click on each one every few weeks to make double sure i don't miss anything.

Its pretty inconvienient, so i can only imagine how much worse it'll be. You think after google plus they'd be more careful with usless features no one wants or uses, but i guess the troon programmers need soemthing to do.

 

[Burgers in the ass]

I don't think i have ever used the sub feed...took me about 20 minutes to find the bloody thing

Desktop version of the feed is shit and I don't use it.
But the Mobile version is ok, it's not hard to find.

 

[Wesley Willis]

I think binge watching youtube gave me ADD. It's best to log in once a month since even the best content creators can only manage a couple decent 15-20min videos a month.

Youtube's subscription management has always been shit. At first you couldn't alphabetize it, now you can't make folders for different types of channels you're subscribed to.

 

[Dysnomia]

Makes sense.

That "Bell" shit literally nuked ancient smaller channels that I subscribed to years ago. I manually check and I find them still uploading.

Obviously I wasn't getting their videos.

I never clicked the bell myself. I usually type in the name of the channel. I don't know why. Just a habit I guess. But I've heard that the bell doesn't always work anyway.

Youtube doesn't care about killing off smaller channels. It's sad but true. Someone may be uploading some really great content but too bad. It's buried under clickbait garbage. Your video might be ten times better but no one's ever going to know.

Anyone who's had a unique video buried knows this. Upload something interesting about a popular game and it's instantly buried under dozens of tired LPs and the same well known glitches ad nauseum. That is unless you're already popular.

Same. I don't subscribe to shit, I just search "pewdiepie" and see what was released recently, and if I don't see anything I like, I browse farther back in his catalog, or stop. Then I repeat for anyone else. And like porn, I end up drifting through the "You might be interested in... since you searched for" bar on the right a bunch of times to find new things. Or I just follow links. I'm probably not very valuable as far as user data goes to the advertisers.

I'm very guilty of this. It might take me months or years to finally bother to hit subscribe. It's not that I don't want to. It's just that I'm very old school internet and tend to search manually or keep a notepad file with various links. Youtube's algorithms make subscriptions a joke anyway. People subscribe because they want to see that new content. So not showing it to them because "lol algorithms" makes hitting subscribe pointless.

I actually find a lot of stuff just by recommendations. Unfortunately Youtube likes to push that viral and corporate content. Compilations made up of stolen cat videos where the original uploader isn't getting a dime really grinds my gears.

 

[Jozef]

I'd disagree, even disregarding the monolith of Youtube, servers for video content is very expensive. I'd imagine Youtube is STILL in the red despite all these years. For instance, vid.me shut down because the server costs were too expensive to host the videos, and Youtube really has the only one to be able to maintain it. Even Twitch shut down their video archives because it was too expensive, with them only saving the past 3 or 4 streams for a few days before they're deleted (the only way to get around this is to make the entire stream a "highlight" so it's saved).

For smaller channels, sure, they could probably move and make their own site. But there's a marketing advantage to be on Youtube, and it's hard to deny that. But for larger channels with years of content I don't really know what they'd be able to do. But it's also why a lot of them are moving to Twitch and using Youtube as an archive site instead of a content sender.

You're not wrong regarding the "biting the hand that feeds them", but animators like myself have given up on the algorithm and either rely on other channels promoting us or staying on Twitch and using YT as an archive site.

That's correct. YouTube costs Google money to run, that's why a lot of smaller video hosting sites have failed, or are failing. Vimeo was once regarded as a YouTube alternative but recently they made changes so that you need to pay for a premium account in order to upload a certain number of videos.

 

[Slap47]

What channels?

Every channel that didn't upload at least once a weak.

Kinda why Youtube animation isn't a thing anymore.