Zoomers Can't Read

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Candlelight Desolation said:
reading the book Russian Fairy Tales, compiled by Alexander Afanasyev, which has Eastern Orthodox themes in them plus twice reading Sergei Zenkovsky's Medieval Russia's Epics, Chronicles, and Tales, which includes Eastern Orthodox writings.
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If you're interested in Orthodox-esque fiction, Tolstoy's Two Old Men is a beautiful story that captures the bare essense of the Christian ethos (despite being written by Tolstoy)
 
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Preacher ✝ said:
Do you choose this simplistic, intellectually bankrupt, view of faith because you find the fullness of Christianity is overwhelming?
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Intellectually bankrupt and simplistic? The Bible is not written for some kind of master theologian or super genius - the KJV is a direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek texts into basic English. The Bible is literally written so that a preteen can understand it. It was not written for your demographic or my demographic, it was written for everyone to read and understand clearly. There is nothing hidden in God's Word - everything God wants us to know is within those 66 Books of the Bible. This is partially also why I do not accept Enoch or the Apocrypha as canon.

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Wouldn't you say it's prideful, and somewhat arrogant, to assume you're not wrong?
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I'm not wasting time sitting in a congregation in a church where the pastor and congregation are going to be worshipping directly into Hell. How would it be "arrogant" in any way to avoid churches with wolves and snakes running the show? With the pulpit full of people like that, what chance does the flock have? Every last church in close range to me which isn't Catholic or Eastern Orthodox has one or many of the following problems: is Calvinist, pushing woke politics/progressive Christian nonsense, has a female pastor or someone calling themselves "apostle", does not only use the KJV, uses contemporary music instead of hymns and "worships" like a nightclub. If you are in some worldly church like that, you need to RUN and run FAST. If I have to make a two hour round trip every Sunday, then so be it.

I know I'm not wrong about Catholicism, either. I'm not going back to a church that falsely teaches there is a place called Purgatory, that worships Mary, that prays to Mary and dead popes and saints, which calls male human religious leaders "father", which teaches about "mortal and venial" sins, which teaches bishops cannot get married, which displays graven images, which has an altered Ten Commandments, which teaches you have to confess to a priest to get sins forgiven, which teaches Mary is an intercessor, which does repetitive prayers to Mary, which teaches Mary did not have more children after Jesus was born, which does the sign of the cross, and which has mandatory celibacy for priests and nuns (nuns are not Biblical, either, neither are monks). These are all things I used to do, have seen Catholics do with my own eyes, and used to believe.

The Catholic will claim that "we don't worship Mary/statues, we venerate her/them!" - praying to someone or something is an act of worship! The entire denomination is rife with idolatry.



All these people in the congregation of a Catholic church crying and heartbroken over an INANIMATE OBJECT being broken. The attached video above reminds me of a statue of Dagon in the Old Testament getting its head knocked off.
HyperboreanRightsActivist said:
If you're interested in Orthodox-esque fiction, Tolstoy's Two Old Men is a beautiful story that captures the bare essense of the Christian ethos (despite being written by Tolstoy)
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I'm actually going to be reading a Dostoevsky book soon, not Tolstoy. I read a lot of Russia-related stuff in general because a lot of my paternal family comes from Romanov Russia, though I mainly read history and haven't read much in terms of fiction/adjacent literature from that part of Europe. I don't even read that much fiction to begin with. Really, the only fiction I read would fall into one or some crossover of the following categories:
  1. Christian fiction
  2. Morality tales/old folk tales
  3. Political fiction which aligns with my political sensibilities
I tend to avoid fiction because fiction is generally meant for women. Don't believe me? Walk into a Barnes and Noble and look at the popular fiction they promote - they're clearly marketed to women. The other kinds of books that big chain book stores like that would promote are "classics", aka books normies will recognize from high school English class.
 
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Candlelight Desolation said:
Intellectually bankrupt and simplistic? The Bible is not written for some kind of master theologian or super genius - the KJV is a direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek texts into basic English. The Bible is literally written so that a preteen can understand it. It was not written for your demographic or my demographic, it was written for everyone to read and understand clearly. There is nothing hidden in God's Word - everything God wants us to know is within those 66 Books of the Bible. This is partially also why I do not accept Enoch or the Apocrypha as canon.
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This argument would hold some water if everyone who ascribed to the sola scriptura belief system were united in their interpretation of scripture and its application to life.

However even the blind can see that it has resulted in endless schism. You yourself have said that you don't want to go to a church you don't agree with, yet you cannot grasp how that very concept contradicts your notion that anyone can just intuitively understand scripture.

For example let's take Matthew 16:18-19. I suspect your understanding of that passage is entirely neglectful of its connection to Isaiah 22:20-24, or the historical etymology of the english name Peter and it's significance in John 1:42.
Candlelight Desolation said:
[a bunch of anti-Catholic propaganda and bigroty]
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Not worth dignifying with a response.
Candlelight Desolation said:
The Catholic will claim that "we don't worship Mary/statues, we venerate her/them!" - praying to someone or something is an act of worship! The entire denomination is rife with idolatry.
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The word pray means to ask. Are you at all familiar with the concept of intercessory prayer? Have you ever asked a friend or loved one to pray for you? Have you ever prayed for someone else? If so then by your standards you've committed idolatry. If not then you're an even poorer example of a Christian than I previously thought.

"But you shouldn't pray to the dead" I hear you already typing. How stupid. Saints (including Saint Mary) are not dead. They are in Heaven, experiencing eternal life. No more dead than you or I, but arguably much more alive.

Furthermore, one of the 10 commandments is to Honor Thy Mother and Father, and if you look at John 19:25-29 you see that Mary, the Mother of God, is declared by Christ to be mother to the whole Church. After all Christ is the head and the Church is his body.


This is what I mean when I say your views are simplistic and intellectually bankrupt. You've taken our book, cut out the parts you didn't like, and ascribed whatever whimsical interpretation suits you to its words.
 
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Preacher ✝ said:
you cannot grasp how that very concept contradicts your notion that anyone can just intuitively understand scripture.
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Well anyone CAN understand it - you don't need someone to spoon feed you everything:

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KJV Genesis 1 readability level: 7th-8th grade student.
Preacher ✝ said:
Not worth dignifying with a response.
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You: "Anti-Catholic propaganda"
Me, earlier in this thread: "These are all things I used to do, have seen Catholics do with my own eyes, and used to believe."

You can't refute any of what I listed Biblically.
Preacher ✝ said:
"But you shouldn't pray to the dead" I hear you already typing. How stupid. Saints (including Saint Mary) are not dead. They are in Heaven, experiencing eternal life. No more dead than you or I, but arguably much more alive.

Furthermore, one of the 10 commandments is to Honor Thy Mother and Father, and if you look at John 19:25-29 you see that Mary, the Mother of God, is declared by Christ to be mother to the whole Church.
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Mary is in Heaven, yes, but she cannot hear you. She has no idea you have been praying to her. She is not, never has been, and never will be an intercessor. She will not have a physical body in Heaven until she is resurrected at the Harpazo. Jesus doesn't say she is the "mother of the whole church" in those passages at all. This is grasping at straws.
Preacher ✝ said:
our book
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Your book is the Catholic Bible you linked earlier in the thread. It's not mine.

This discussion between us is derailing the thread, so I'm done. I have also provided you ample evidence that Catholicism is not Biblical. It is between you and Jesus now.
 
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I am a Zoomer that was born some time after the turn of the century. I can read very well, my line of employment requires such.

I have found that a sizeable number of zoomers born after 2006-2008, these kids are at the end of there high-school education right now.
 
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foam rolla said:
I'm actually surprised how awful boomers are went it comes to literacy. People who I've had to deal with online who have had to provide anything written do retarded shit like use commas as full stops. Don't use capital letters at the start of sentences and use random ellipsis without knowing the context of using them. Fucking baffling. I always thought I was dumb but I'm shocked when I constantly see people from the Baby Boomer or Gen X generation who always wag their finger about the damn kids and their screens these days while also failing to put together coherent sentence together.
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I don't like reading. I can read fast and write well enough. But I don't get much enjoyment out of it. I don't like sitting on my ass and doing nothing. I prefer audiobooks to normal books. I also have a hard time finding some books in physical formats and reading of a screen is extra tedious to me.
I assume I'm not alone and it's part of the reason audiobooks have gotten bother better and more numerous over time.
 
Candlelight Desolation said:
Morality tales/old folk tales
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Maybe the synaxarion might interest you. There are a lot of very good hagiographies of saints that make the writings of Chesterton and Lewis look like coloring books in comparison.

I wouldn't recommend the Desert Fathers to you, since you aren't practicing Orthodox, but those are also solid examples of morality/spiritual narratives
 
Candlelight Desolation said:
Intellectually bankrupt and simplistic? The Bible is not written for some kind of master theologian or super genius - the KJV is a direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek texts into basic English.
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There is no perfect Hebrew or Greek text to translate from. The KJV NT is translated from Erasmsus's Novum Instrumentum, which was compiled from a few late Greek manuscripts, except the end of Revelation, which he back-translated from Latin. That's why Revelation 22:19 has "book of life" instead of "tree of life." Some medieval scribe misread ligno as libro, and he carried that error forward. It also has some questionable (at best) interpolations in 1 John 5:7 and the pericope adulterae, and the ending of Mark as usual is a mess. The KJV OT is translated from an early modern edition of the Masoretic text, which I understand less well than the transmission of the NT, but I know it's very complex with lots of possible readings. And in many cases, the Septuagint or the Dead Sea Scrolls offer more plausible readings. The original KJV, like any good Bible, included numerous marginal notes to offer alternate readings that the translators thought should be considered (though of course they did not have access to the DSS). For some reason, these notes are often missing in modern editions of the KJV.

As for the KJV being "basic English," while the translators did say it should be understood by the "very vulgar," that should be read in the context of the consciously ecclesiastical nature of the translation. They wanted to push back against the Puritans and their icky Geneva Bible, so they kept all the churchy Anglican words (while keeping out the churchy Catholic words and unchurchy Puritan words). There's also an argument that, as the Church's Bible, it was written to be read in public rather than private, and that influenced the diction. God's Secretaries goes into that.
 
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