Pedophilia in the gay community - oh no, homophobia

[ryu289]

Yes, my post was true, and yours was inaccurate (and probably dishonest) by omission.

No I pointed out the gay community had moved away from NAMBLA in the 90s and you gave more context to it.

Yes he did pay them. There have been victims who came forward about this who experienced this at the hand of their father or grandfather.

Right...did they give any evidence? And weren't associated with this woman?

Yeah, but it genuinely is different

Now you are special pleading. Your source incorrectly uses sources as explained here. When caught you said:

Lmao, your aticle relies purely on the self-reported interest of molesters of male children that say "hey, I have no interest in men"

Despite again, your source literally relying on those very same reports...

Nearly every study, nearly every news article used a kinsey article to aupport their view of how prevalent homosexuality is.

Except this, and this, and this, and this, and this, and this, and this, and so on...

Pretty unsurprising that the other points made in this article uses research by the kinsey institute

Kinsey was only mentioned once in my source. Please show that he was used in the other studies mentioned.

When you use kinsey stats, which are at the core of intellectual defense for everything homo and pedosexual (as well as a number of other things), and those stats then show a link between the two, that is very telling. If you agree with me that we should not use or trust kinsey research, then you remove about 80% of the foundation of lgbtq activist research.

Except he isn't mentioned at all in these studies.
You really like lying huh?

This shouldn't come as a surprise, considering what the Q stands for and the origin of the term.

So you trust some rando ecofascist as a good source? Nice try.

 

[Pentex]

No I pointed out the gay community had moved away from NAMBLA in the 90s

And left out the part that it was only after the association between gay activists and pedophiles became politically and financially hazardous to continue openly.

 

[ryu289]

And left out the part that it was only after the association between gay activists and pedophiles became politically and financially hazardous to continue openly.

No it was happening a bit before that:

. 1990;20(1-2):251-74. doi: 10.1300/J082v20n01_15.
....

In the United States, as the gay movement has retreated from its vision of sexual freedom for all in favor of integration into existing social and political structures, it has sought to marginalize cross-generational love as a "non-gay" issue. The two movements continue to overlap, amid signs of mutual support as well as tension--a state of affairs that also characterizes their interrelationship in other countries.

See? 4 years before the voting...
Even before that

On February 25, 1979 at a national gay rights conference, the youth caucus for the National Gay Mobilizing Committee adopted a motion calling for the abolishment of age-of-consent laws. When the conference adjourned, the lesbian caucus threatened to quit the march on Washington unless the motion was revised – effectively sabotaging the march. Reluctantly, the Committee agreed to revise the motion to remove reference to age-of-consent, and instead include "protections" for lesbian and gay youth in their schools and places of employment.

The pedophiles were furious.

David Thorstad, whose presence on the Committee indicated NAMBLA's direct involvement with the historic 1979 gay rights march on Washington, refused to support the alterations, calling the lesbian caucus' tactics "undemocratic." In his recounting of events, Thorstad mentions that Lesbian Feminist Liberation (LFL), a radical feminist group, condemned him and other boy-lovers as attempting to co-opt the gay movement. LFL crafted a statement, writing:

"[NAMBLA is] attempting to legitimize sex between children and adults by confusing the real needs of Gay youth with a call to repeal all age of consent laws. Feminists easily recognize this as the latest attempt to make palatable the sexual exploitation of children."

 

[Chicken Picnic]

I do have to wonder if you can conflate being attracted to children and hetero/homo attractions. Like, are pedos attracted to the children because of their 'sexual characteristics'? If you can even say that? Like, forgive me for not looking at children but I don't see anything in a child's appearance that is inherently sexual.

I don't know if it's the same kind of attraction being into adult men and little boys, they look completely different. Not wanting to say pedophilia is a sexuality (it's fucking degenerate) but you can't honestly compare looking at the Chad meme bloke and thinking you wanted to get railed by him, and looking at a little boy and thinking he's somehow a sexy beast.

Makes me wonder if being a pedo is a separate issue on top of having homosexual attraction, not one in the same. Idk if you can just group it all into one thing. Most people can be satisfied by having a partner, but then you get pedos who have significant others and are sexually active with them, but still lust after little kids because the sex with the adult isn't enough for them. Then you have the pedos who only want to fuck kids, like they can't get it up without imagining being with a kid. It reminds me of hearing about how some sexual serial killers are described to doing what they do because they literally couldn't get off without beating the shit out of someone. Like the violent rape and murder was required, they could never just live with second best and get a wife.

I guess my point ends at me seeing pedophilia as some kind of degen fetish or something that can occur on top of being straight or gay, and maybe it occurs more often with gays- idk haven't read enough to say, but I don't think it's as simple as gay + pedo go hand in hand.

 

[ryu289]

Makes me wonder if being a pedo is a separate issue on top of having homosexual attraction, not one in the same

It is.

 

[Chicken Picnic]

It is.

From your profile/thread, I'm gathering you would know

 

[Lemmingwise]

Except this, and this, and this, and this, and this, and this, and this, and so on.

I've gone through them all. Funny how they support exactly what I have been saying. You really got me there!

Including this gem:



Funny also how you have 2 links that link to exactly the same place and 1 link that just links to the general page of what another link already pointed to a specific one. Padding our homework, are we?

Right...did they give any evidence? And weren't associated with this woman?

No they were not associated with Judith Reisner.

What kind of evidence, realisticly, would you expect someone who was raped at 6 by their father to give? There was evidence of correspondance and a table in a journal in which the orgasms were recorded, that's it.

Btw I understand why you want to attack Reisner. After she won a court case against playboy proving they didn't just publish child pornography but had hundreds of valid examples produced for court.... well that kind of pedophile exposer has to be attacked, right?

So you trust some rando ecofascist as a good source? Nice try.

You absolute retard, that's just someone who re-uploaded it. That isn't the professor speaking. The fact you have no issue with what he said speaks volumes.

Keep defending pedophile, oh virtuous pedo.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I guess my point ends at me seeing pedophilia as some kind of degen fetish or something that can occur on top of being straight or gay, and maybe it occurs more often with gays- idk haven't read enough to say, but I don't think it's as simple as gay + pedo go hand in hand.

The venn diagram between pedophilia and gays is not a circle. But there is considerably more overlap between the two than there is between between pedophilia and straights. Though that does depend on victimisation stats, so it could be the case that straight people have equal or more desire for kids, but just don't do the same amount of molestation and raping.

As a gay fellow pointed out earlier in thia thread, prevalence if chickenlovers is fairly high and not very taboo in the gay scene. I too have personal experiences in seeing and hearing that. You used to be able to find plenty of youtube videos about this, with secret mics /cameras, but that has been sanitized now.

Particucarly the relaxed and "that's how things are" attitude made clear that it is a pretty common and accepted thing. And I'll re-iterate that you have famous lgbtq plays like vagina mologues that literally have scenes about this and calling it "if it was rape it was a good rape". When plays that put it front and center and win awards, you know it's not some spurious connection.

 

[GenociderSyo]

The venn diagram between pedophilia and gays is not a circle. But there is considerably more overlap between the two than there is between between pedophilia and straights. Though that does depend on victimisation stats, so it could be the case that straight people have equal or more desire for kids, but just don't do the same amount of molestation and raping.

The Mayo study found that hereosexuals were more likely to be commiting familial acts of harm and for some reason it was more likely to be father/daughter harm.

 

[Lemmingwise]

The Mayo study found that hereosexuals were more likely to be commiting familial acts of harm and for some reason it was more likely to be father/daughter harm.

I'll have to read that some time.

But just to be clear, the difference between rate of offending is still incredible.

 

[GenociderSyo]

I'll have to read that some time.

But just to be clear, the difference between rate of offending is still incredible.

Yep 11:1 is insane difference. Going to have to see if i can find anything anecdotal on why. The fact it is non-familial I wonder if thats a big portion to it. Could the familial bounds cause some unconscious taboo that supercedes the fact they are willing to abuse a child.

Should be able to pull it off google scholar, heres the info on the study.
Link

 

[Pentex]

Also most of the gay community went out of it's way to distance themselves from NAMBLA since the 90s.

No it was happening a bit before that:

Just imagine what your opinion will be tomorrow without ever acknowledging that your original, even if read favorably, was omitted important facts indicative of the ILGA's motives, and unfavorably, those omissions were deceptive.

 

[ryu289]

I've gone through them all. Funny how they support exactly what I have been saying. You really got me there!

Including this gem:

You mean the one that says Kinsey is wrong and they are using a different analysis unlike what you claimed here:

Nearly every study, nearly every news article used a kinsey article to aupport their view of how prevalent homosexuality is.

Off course Kinsey never said that "at least 10% of the population was homosexual." In his book, page 651,
he said "10 per cent of the males are more or less exclusively homosexual (i.e., rate 5 or 6) for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55." The 5 and 6 are ratings on his heterosexual-
homosexual rating scale, 6 being "exclusively homosexual" and 5 being "predominantly homosexual, but incidentally heterosexual." Kinsey placed only 4% as "exclusively homosexual throughout their lives, after the onset of adolescence."

The link was about the professor speaking in that video, not the person uploading it.

What kind of evidence, realisticly, would you expect someone who was raped at 6 by their father to give? There was evidence of correspondance and a table in a journal in which the orgasms were recorded, that's it.

I already explained:


Did they give evidence that their fathers raped them?

Btw I understand why you want to attack Reisner. After she won a court case against playboy proving they didn't just publish child pornography but had hundreds of valid examples produced for court.... well that kind of pedophile exposer has to be attacked, right?

Actually it was a freedom of speech issue that had nothing to do whether or not she was telling the truth:

The judge now finds that the EO cannot be blamed. Everyone can express their own opinion and the press can publish it, according to the verdict. The fact that the broadcaster failed to ask the magazine for a response is not a disaster, according to the court. However, it would have graced the broadcaster if it had been stated that the research is dated and that the researcher is at least controversial in her own country.

&

The broadcaster also does not want to rectify the statement of the American researcher about the alleged relationship between the nude photos and incest and rape. It is not the EO who says that, but the expert, the lawyer argued. It is an opinion which the broadcaster has never adopted. According to Le Poole, the EO cannot rectify it either.

In fact she wasn't the one being sued but the broadcaster. Yet she takes it as a victory for herself?
When she legit went to court she lost:

The Kinsey Institute refuted Reisman's allegations prompting a lawsuit filed in 1991 by Reisman against the Institute's then director June Reinisch and Indiana University. Reisman alleged defamation of character and slander. Reisman's attorney "withdrew from the case" in 1993, and "in June 1994 the court dismissed Reisman's case with prejudice [which means that Reisman is prohibited from refiling the suit].

So she's a big baby.

Just imagine what your opinion will be tomorrow without ever acknowledging that your original, even if read favorably, was omitted important facts indicative of the ILGA's motives, and unfavorably, those omissions were deceptive.

And it turns out that other gay organizations besides that one were against Nambla far longer. That is a dishonest ommission from you.

 

[Resident Evil]

I'm 18. Gay. And for the long time I've understood my sexuality, it's become inherently clear- there is a disproportionate amount of pedophiles in the gay community, and it's very clear to see why.

Some may say it's because gay people are inherently wired to like children, which scientifically isn't true. Some may say it's bad chance and that it's just coincidence, which I find just as untrue. So, what exactly is it?

Social factors, and blend-herd mentality.

Kids, they're fragile things. They get hurt easy, they believe things easy, and when something personal is said about them it sticks. Sometimes for the minute that someone says it. Other times forever.

LGBTQ people, despite being lauded on the internet, is still not widely accepted. At least not where I lived, in Chicago. People got beaten over these things, with weapons, and violently, and left crying on the streets. Just young kids who wanted to feel like they belonged, and naively believed their friends would be okay with it.

I'd know because I was one of those kids. It's been many years since it's happened, since I learned to defend myself, but at the time I was very hurt. And felt more alone then ever.

It's not hard to imagine opportunistic and vile cockroaches would use tactics of comfort and consistency to gain the loyalty of isolated and damaged people. Then, exploit them. Use "Favor for a Favor" mentality.

Young vulnerable people will do anything to feel alive, or at least okay. It's terrible, but it is the nature of an innocent mind.

So where does blend herd come in?

Many homosexuals will shelter these abominations because they were supported, and are willing to cover because they feel like they owe monsters something in return for their "Support".

It is truly horrifying. Those who do this, accomplices and bystanders, deserve to go to the deepest darkest maws of hell so they may be swallowed whole.

This "community" nonsense around what we like sexually needs to stop. It's gross. It protects those that deserve nothing, and endangers those who haven't lived much of a life at all.

Edit: Clubs, Sports, anything but indulging in soley your sexual identity. You are not all of that, and it is not all of you. You are a person, not a character.

 

[Pentex]

And it turns out that other gay organizations besides that one were against Nambla far longer.

We've gone from 'the gay community' (false) to, 'this particular clique of lesbians opposed pedophilia' (even if true doesn't rehabilitate the original claim, nor does it rebut mine).

That is a dishonest ommission from you.

"NO U!"

Basic bitch pressure flips don't work on me. Step your game up.

 

[ryu289]

We've gone from 'the gay community' (false) to, 'this particular clique of lesbians opposed pedophilia' (even if true doesn't rehabilitate the original claim, nor does it rebut mine).

I also pointed out the gay community was separating from the pedophile movement in 1990 as seen here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2086634/

In the United States, as the gay movement has retreated from its vision of sexual freedom for all in favor of integration into existing social and political structures, it has sought to marginalize cross-generational love as a "non-gay" issue.

More dishonesty from you it seems.
And from the other article it wasn't a "particular clique" of lesbians

Lesbians made their dissent heard again in 1980, when they attempted to have NAMBLA removed from the gay pride march in New York. At the march, a 15-year-old boy was presented as a speaker who defended man-boy love on behalf of NAMBLA. Mark Moffett Jr., a prominent youth activist with the Gay Youth of New York, was recently honored by the AIDS Memorial.

Lesbians created a caucus which specifically called upon women to split away from the pride march, stating that the pride organizing committee had "been dominated" by NAMBLA and its supporters. At the entrance to the official march at Central Park, lesbian delegates attempted to turn people away and discourage their participation.

In 1981, lesbians drew the ire of Thorstad and his pedophile entourage when they successfully had Thorstad removed from the Cornell University May Gay Day festival, where he had been invited as a speaker.

But in 1986, the lesbians and their hard-fought battle won out. NAMBLA was removed from the Los Angeles pride parade. But, despite their efforts, Harry Hay marched with a signboard which protested their exclusion.

Off course it wasn't just lesbians in general....other like the Human Right's Campaign Fund were against them
And you fail to mention that the IGLA still lost their status from the UN over this.

 

[Resident Evil]

I also pointed out the gay community was separating from the pedophile movement in 1990 as seen here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2086634/

More dishonesty from you it seems.

>"Oh wow, a thread to express my displeasure of the large amount of pedophiles in the LGBTQ community! I'll write my feelings and experiences on the matter here, and get honest feedback from people who agree or disagree!"
>Posts
>Scrolls up
>Pedophile fuckhead who can't stop multiposting, multi quoting, link spamming and shitting up discourse

Jump into a bathtub with multiple electric eels, please. I beg of you.

 

[Niggernerd]

No it was happening a bit before that:


See? 4 years before the voting...
Even before that

Calm down you pedophile faggot.

 

[ryu289]

>Pedophile fuckhead who can't stop multiposting, multi quoting, link spamming and shitting up discourse

I just love how you have no evidence to rebut me.

 

[Resident Evil]

I just love how you have no evidence to rebut me.

I just love how there's ten page worth of archives, screenshots, and testimonial from every site anyone's ever been to, that you're a nonce and try pushing for children in sexual scenarios to be normalized. you're a sick and deranged individual. You are not loved and never will be. You are not accepted and never will be. You're an ogre in man's skin.