Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

can someone please explain to me why they reject a vaccine because big pharma while also ingesting whatever random fucking shit that was also made by big pharma. i'm starting to feel like these people are just walking into a walgreens, closing their eyes, spinning around three times and pointing in a random direction to decide what the new covid preventative drug is.
Why isn't CBD oil a cure for Covid?
 
can someone please explain to me why they reject a vaccine because big pharma while also ingesting whatever random fucking shit that was also made by big pharma. i'm starting to feel like these people are just walking into a walgreens, closing their eyes, spinning around three times and pointing in a random direction to decide what the new covid preventative drug is.
I think it comes down to simple spite. Demonrats want vaxx, so they wont vaxx, but they'll try something else to not die.

I also think lack of trust in expertise has to do with it. I've been thinking about this since King Tard got threadbanned and it just doesn't make sense at first. Like any group of human beings with more than a single member, there are absolutely bad scientists/doctors/what have you, and to them this somehow means that, of course, one cannot trust all professionals, because some are bad, and one doesn't know before listening to one. Classic "Tossing the baby out with the bath water". Now on the flip side, there's lots of stupid/ignorant/uneducated people who are advocating for anything that (((Big Pharma))) isn't. Because they aren't (((Big Pharma))), nor are they professionals/authorities in a relevant field (because being either of these also means you're a coastal/urban elitist/communist), They're seen as a side worth listening too because they appear to have nothing to gain in the way of kickbacks, grants, money or whatever they think the completely corrupt medical field would get.[

It really goes down to the core of things they tend to hate as a group. Being told what to do, being wrong, being proven wrong, looking stupid over something being easily proven, being mocked, and the biggest one, there not being a simple solution that takes no work/money/time and doesn't affect them or their loved ones. The minute the situation changed and official opinions adapted to new information, anything and everything they had to say was written off as being unreliable and suspect. It's dumb position to take, but it's on brand for sure. Also throw in Trump losing andthey were never going to cooperate with anything anyone not Trump asked them to do. /SPOILER]
 
I think it comes down to simple spite. Demonrats want vaxx, so they wont vaxx, but they'll try something else to not die.

Trump said people should take the vaccine and that he himself got vaccinated but that the choice is theirs to make. It is not a left vs. right or democrat vs republican issue.

Are all those aussies, french, dutch, british, germans, italians etc that protest the vaccine passports and mandates all republican or right wing? No.

People are doing their own research and the more the government and media is pushing and forcing people to take something they are skeptic about, lying about adverse reactions to the jab, the more those people refuse to take it. If the governments and medias stance towards the vaccine would have stayed "take it or not, the choice is yours", many more would have gotten the jab.

Forcing government mandates on businesses, schools, workplaces etc to refuse service to unvaccinated and exclude them from society accomplishes the exact opposite. You end up with black texans beating up service personell in NYC demanding a jab passport. You end up with anti-trump dutch models like Doutzen Kroes making instagram posts about not getting jabbed due to the pressure. You end up with Nicki Minaj going scorched earth on people trying to cancel her and her family.
 
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and that's exactly what's going on here: brainlets having an intolerance for being told they're wrong, because the times have changed to where everyone's opinion is supposed to have the same weight regardless of how fucking asinine the take may be. americans also love a classic underdog where the little guy wins despite all odds, and they all want to be the hero of their own story. it's why zombies were such a fad back in 2012-2015, because it let the doomsday preppers and wannabe cool guys fantasize about that exact thing to their heart's content.

but then comes an actual, real world crisis, except it's not what they were expecting. they wanted something dramatic, a terrifying filovirus- or y. pestis-tier disease that could let them either act the saviour or die a martyr whilst fellow citizens drop like flies around them, and instead all we got was (in their perspective) some shitty cough and a fever. prevention measures are comparatively tepid at best too. wear a mask? stay six feet apart? wash your hands for twenty seconds? fuck this, i wanted a real plague! this is bullshit! clearly they're just trying to hoodwink us!

the psychology behind these people is incredibly fascinating because there's just so many factors at play here, and i wish we could study this kind of thing in a vacuum, but instead we have to watch as they run around shotgunning horse dewormer, gargling betadine, denying their pets vet care, and chimping out at retail workers for making them wear a piece of cloth.
 
Ivermectin (horse med) is well tolerated by the human body in doses specific to that body (ie. weight, height). So the people taking it as a prophylactic or "cure," won't get sick from it if they don't overdose. Most people will also get better. But they would have gotten better even if they hadn't taken ivermectin. It's probably, all things being equal, absolutely worthless like drinking milk everyday while sick with COVID-19.

But most people WILL get better; in some form; even with Delta. But who cares? The point has always been not to overwhelm the system. But the dumbasses are overwhelming the system.

There is a certain segment of our population that is dumb and stubborn. We can't help that.
 
What gets me is that while they're bleating on and on about the "dangers" of the vaccines, but are probably willing to continue taking their medication that wouldn't be a thing without Big Pharma, not including those who are anti-medicine kooks. Before I got my shots early this year, I was reading that there were reported deaths of the flu vaccine in one country; however, it couldn't be linked and it's hard to link a death to a vaccine. Shit happens unfortunately, and this is with any type of medication. This is why they have you stay a few minutes to ensure no adverse effects.

The Right making vaccination a culture war issue is a serious mistake, and it's not only in lives, but in an electoral sense as well. You can't vote Red while dead, and these people are willing to throw away their lives and votes away, which is stupid as fuck on their end. This honestly makes me embarrassed to even associate myself with the Right. (They hated me anyway, because to them I'm a dirty NeoCon)
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Vaccine mandates are based, actually.
 
Why are maxvaxxers so obsessed about boosters so much? The people most at risk can still take it anyways?

Is it so that it gives them clout and asspats?

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The Right making vaccination a culture war issue is a serious mistake
How is it a "right wing issue" when the majority of black americans are unvaccinated and less than half of hispanic americans are unvaccinated yet somewhere close to 60% of white americans are vaccinated? Did the demographics change? Was there a black awakening i missed?


If the GOV keeps pushing for more mandates, the same shit going down in AUS will also happen in the US.

 
can someone please explain to me why they reject a vaccine because big pharma while also ingesting whatever random fucking shit that was also made by big pharma. i'm starting to feel like these people are just walking into a walgreens, closing their eyes, spinning around three times and pointing in a random direction to decide what the new covid preventative drug is.
Because they want to be adversarial and feel smarter than anyone else.

A lot of the appeal seems to be that feeling of smug superiority they get from having knowledge that is hidden from others, without having to work for any of that knowledge. Usually you would have to do things that take actual effort (like get an engineering degree, or learn another language, or get really really good at fixing computers...) in order to feel like you know more than most other people (not that that should be the aim of achieving those things obviously, but it’s a perk). But all these lazy morons need to do to gain that sense of smugness is watch a YouTube video or read a meme about how covid can be cured by vitamins and drinking medicine for farm animals. It must be very tempting if you're insecure and lazy.

and that's exactly what's going on here: brainlets having an intolerance for being told they're wrong, because the times have changed to where everyone's opinion is supposed to have the same weight regardless of how fucking asinine the take may be. americans also love a classic underdog where the little guy wins despite all odds, and they all want to be the hero of their own story. it's why zombies were such a fad back in 2012-2015, because it let the doomsday preppers and wannabe cool guys fantasize about that exact thing to their heart's content.

but then comes an actual, real world crisis, except it's not what they were expecting. they wanted something dramatic, a terrifying filovirus- or y. pestis-tier disease that could let them either act the saviour or die a martyr whilst fellow citizens drop like flies around them, and instead all we got was (in their perspective) some shitty cough and a fever. prevention measures are comparatively tepid at best too. wear a mask? stay six feet apart? wash your hands for twenty seconds? fuck this, i wanted a real plague! this is bullshit! clearly they're just trying to hoodwink us!
I noticed this back in 2020 as well, the people who had spent the last 10 years preparing for and obsessing about (and in many cases actively hoping for) a civilization-ending apocalypse suddenly chimped out when they were expected to do things like "stay home for a few days" or "wear a cloth over part of your face." To the point of going and and protesting that they couldn't get haircuts lol. Hopefully it at least taught a few people exactly who they can rely on in future emergencies, because it's obvious now that it was never actually about 'prepping' for most of these people, it was about wanting an excuse to be free of society's responsibilities and moral codes (even though those are almost always more important in an actual catastrophe, not less).

is it a "right wing issue" when the majority of black americans are unvaccinated and less than half of hispanic americans are unvaccinated yet somewhere close to 60% of white americans are vaccinated? Did the demographics change? Was there a black awakening i missed?

A guy made the same comment almost word for word 2 pages ago, but you tards get so triggered at the sight of this thread you can't be bothered going back and skimming that far. Funny how you guys literally just repeat shit that you have obviously gotten from the same source, while calling everyone else "sheep" lol.
 
How is it a "right wing issue" when the majority of black americans are unvaccinated and less than half of hispanic americans are unvaccinated yet somewhere close to 60% of white americans are vaccinated? Did the demographics change? Was there a black awakening i missed?


If the GOV keeps pushing for more mandates, the same shit going down in AUS will also happen in the US.

Relax. I acknowledge this issue in regards to demographics as well, but from what I read, the gap is closing. I also understand why people are revolting over something so trivial. My issue comes from the fringe Right, which has been gaining traction over the years. With that said, do you have any data on the party split in regards to vaccinations, because I'd be pleased to see it. I read one article that suggested that more Republicans have come around on the vaccine, with nearly half of them being accepting. My issue comes from people gaining their research from dubious sources, and base their decisions off that alone instead of asking their doctor about it. I'm also primarily focused on mandates where there are already mandates in place, like healthcare and schools.

Admittedly, I suspect that I'm a receiver of the vaccine side-effect of heart inflammation, and when I asked my cardiologist about it, he said there had been multiple calls inquiring about the possible link. Either way, I plan to find out by sending in my heart monitor I had for a week. If it somehow is, it's easily treatable, and I'd rather deal with that than Covid.
 
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Are all those aussies, french, dutch, british, germans, italians etc that protest the vaccine passports and mandates all republican or right wing? No.
I don't know, nor do I particularly care, as I'm speaking solely about what's going on within the united states.
People are doing their own research
The issue is their idea of scholarly articles is the facebook accounts of people that agree with everything they say.
Forcing government mandates on businesses, schools, workplaces etc to refuse service to unvaccinated and exclude them from society accomplishes the exact opposite. You end up with black texans beating up service personell in NYC demanding a jab passport. You end up with anti-trump dutch models like Doutzen Kroes making instagram posts about not getting jabbed due to the pressure. You end up with Nicki Minaj going scorched earth on people trying to cancel her and her family.
My my, how unfortunate that we don't allow idiots to burn the country down and risk killing people because they don't want to feel stupid. They can whinge all they want about it being "their choice", but the issue still remains that they're risks for the virus potentially becoming a more lethal variant that can start killing more people effectively.

The fact that models and rappers are being taken as serious counterpoints to medical professionals who have a vested interest in keeping people alive is just another rung on the bedpost of American anti intellectualism and the damage it causes.
 
Okay, this makes no sense. If you're against the current administration, MSM and Fauci, you're probably against vaccination to begin with.

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Why take meds specialized for HORSES for completely different reasons to overcome a vaccine? What?
Ever heard of re-purposing drugs?
If you were truly as smart as you perceived yourself to be, you'd at least look up what substance people talk about actually. There are lots of drugs used in both veterinary and regular application, but it's not even the case here, the active component of the "Horse Drug" is actually used in other medications.
JFC, kiwifarms getting poppular attracted hordes of leftards and "centrists".
Your level of "research" is even more shallow than that of a Karen on Facebook.
 
Ever heard of re-purposing drugs?
If you were truly as smart as you perceived yourself to be, you'd at least look up what substance people talk about actually. There are lots of drugs used in both veterinary and regular application, but it's not even the case here, the active component of the "Horse Drug" is actually used in other medications.
JFC, kiwifarms getting poppular attracted hordes of leftards and "centrists".
Your level of "research" is even more shallow than that of a Karen on Facebook.
You do know that the dosage is not the same with horse meds from human meds, right? Among other things.
 
Ever heard of re-purposing drugs?
If you were truly as smart as you perceived yourself to be, you'd at least look up what substance people talk about actually. There are lots of drugs used in both veterinary and regular application, but it's not even the case here, the active component of the "Horse Drug" is actually used in other medications.
JFC, kiwifarms getting poppular attracted hordes of leftards and "centrists".
Your level of "research" is even more shallow than that of a Karen on Facebook.
There’s a difference between repurposing drugs and taking medications that ARE “horse” drugs. Ivermectin can be using in humans and animals, but the issue is that people aren’t getting prescribed the drug and taking it as directed. They are going down to the local feed store and taking a drug meant for very large animals. The possibilities for overdose are much greater when you take something that is meant for something ten times your size, especially when many of the people who are recommending it online aren’t giving any specific amounts to take, like a doctor would. There’s a reason that there’s been three times as many calls to the Poison Control Center regarding ivermectin in the past year. Spreading information and enabling people to use alternative methods to combat Covid isn’t necessarily wrong, but saying that it’s totally a-ok to go down to the feed store and take drugs meant for animals isn’t right either.
 
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