@The American Hedgehog socked on CWCki, involved with Watchmen, 'Knights of CWC', and others - This breaks my heart; feat. Fiona, Bella, and yet more Discord leaks...who knew what when?

[AStupidMonkey]

This was handled horribly badly by @Spooky Bones and she should have talked to other people for guidance on how to handle this.

Now we get posts like this:


All this retarded speculation, saying that there was "ass-fuckery of the highest order afoot" just because of some redactions in a discord cap. Cutting out info is lame but people do it all the time and it doesn't mean someone was up to no good.

OP spun a story that merged some info with speculation and assumptions because she didn't get what she wanted and now everyone else is picking up on the pattern and following her lead.

If you're going to go after users, then you should be just the facts about it. This is really fast-and-loose. From the facts, I see nothing that says that Marvin and H-Hog were involved with bella shit. All explanations have been plausible.

Frankly, this is irresponsible for someone on staff and if she wasn't staff, then she would probably get shat on for this type of garbage.

I been waiting for this one. You can tell the discord gay-op faggots by their ratings in this thread.

It's not "going after" people to call them gay-opping faggots to their face. Take the L, move on. Pointing out obvious bullshit is not a witch hunt. It's literally 99% of what we do here.

I guess you missed the part where Hedgehog was ready to turn info over, then decided not to because Search + Replace is fucking hard y'all!

When shit doesn't add up, people are going to call it out. Especially on the farms. And you don't even have to pull gay-ops to figure it out. Who knew!?

 

[TheMockTurtle]

Frankly, this is irresponsible for someone on staff and if she wasn't staff, then she would probably get shat on for this type of garbage.

This 100%.
She should be removed as staff.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

I love how Marvin and Null have their head in the sand regarding this.

Dear Leaders biggest concern in this thread is the use of the “W-Word.”

 

[Mason Verger]

I guess we were due for more intra-janny faggotry, huh?

It’s a welcomed distraction to trying to guess what Chris’s prison lunch is today based on what prison movies we’ve watched.

You've both hit the nail on the head for me here. The whole point of leaking logs is that they become public info. The unredacted logs will invariably be leaked, how people are acting as if this situation is still under their control in any was (narrative, privacy or otherwise) is beyond me. If people in the vicinity of the logs aren't relevant to the matter at hand (even if they aren't publicly linked to the overall situation) there's no real issue in releasing their names. People will quickly discern what's going on, who's involved and how (or not as the case may be).

I ain’t the sharpest bulb in the , but here’s my shittake, neg me if I’m off base:

-TAH is a once well meaning autist(sorry TAH, you were a good janny and I never had a hint of beef w/you) that got honey-dicked into being an inside man for some truly nefarious groups. Maybe the edits were in good faith, fuck if I know, but (allegedly)socking around to do it is gonna smell funky and a veteran should know better.

-Marvins biggest involvement in this seems to just be that he was an absentee landlord towards the end.

-Null still hates how we use Ween.

-All this is gay because it’s last call anyway.

 

[Daisymae]

It's not "going after" people to call them gay-opping faggots to their face. Take the L, move on. Pointing out obvious bullshit is not a witch hunt. It's literally 99% of what we do here.

But there is a lack of substantiated evidence of "gay-ops". Being invited into a server and never paying attention to it is like 99% of discord. Where is the "gay-op" at? Also, how is redacting proof of "ass-fuckery of the highest order afoot"? The most you have is an assumption.

I guess you missed the part where Hedgehog was ready to turn info over, then decided not to because Search + Replace is fucking hard y'all!

He doesn't owe anyone anything. Again, all you can do is draw assumptions from that.

When shit doesn't add up, people are going to call it out. Especially on the farms. And you don't even have to pull gay-ops to figure it out. Who knew!?

No one owes anyone the courtesy of walking them through making things "add up". Its irresponsible to go half-cocked on something like this.

All I see is some bits and pieces connected by assumptions from one side, and plausible explanations on the other. If Marvin and H-Hog were in the know or collaborating, then where's the evidence?

 

[Black Simp Bellamy]

I love how Marvin and Null have their head in the sand regarding this.

Dear Leaders biggest concern in this thread is the use of the “W-Word.”

There have been some horrendous uses of the word Wallaby. The Australians really do need to be stopped.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

Ah, quote-tag wars. My fucking favorite.

But there is a lack of substantiated evidence of "gay-ops". Being invited into a server and never paying attention to it is like 99% of discord. Where is the "gay-op" at? Also, how is redacting proof of "ass-fuckery of the highest order afoot"? The most you have is an assumption.

I didn't say I had proof. I had a perfectly valid suspicion, and I stated it. Also, "haha prove it" is always just a super duper winning argument from people with nothing to hide. Every time. Right?

He doesn't owe anyone anything. Again, all you can do is draw assumptions from that.

No one owes anyone the courtesy of walking them through making things "add up". Its irresponsible to go half-cocked on something like this.

Funny, it'd clear up everything you're currently whinging about. Convenient that we don't have it. Guess I have no choice but to "trust me, bro!"

All I see is some bits and pieces connected by assumptions from one side, and plausible explanations on the other. If Marvin and H-Hog were in the know or collaborating, then where's the evidence?

We know where the evidence is. I thought your position was that we're not entitled to it, not that it doesn't exist.

Sorry I picked on your internet fwiends tho. I would have thought everything I said was pretty fucking obvious. Why are we pretending it's not?

 

[Jaded Optimist]

Everyone needs a big spoon full of "lol, calm down".

 

[Daisymae]

I didn't say I had proof. I had a perfectly valid suspicion, and I stated it. Also, "haha prove it" is always just a super duper winning argument from people with nothing to hide. Every time. Right?

Well, you were the one saying that gay-ops were happening, I am literally asking you where the gay-ops are. Then who cares about your suspicions? Get something solid and then bring it to the class. This is the same problem as OP.

Funny, it'd clear up everything you're currently whinging about. Convenient that we don't have it. Guess I have no choice but to "trust me, bro!"

Well if its one side hving assumptions and the most they have is that the two people in question were in a server, then its not even "trust me bro", it's "fuck off retard". Which is what I would have said.

We know where the evidence is. I thought your position was that we're not entitled to it, not that it doesn't exist.

So basically you agree that OP had nothing. If OP has nothing but unanswered demands, then I have no time for that. She's owed nothing.

Sorry I picked on your internet fwiends tho. I would have thought everything I said was pretty fucking obvious. Why are we pretending it's not?

More assumptions lmao. I have never talked to either.

It seems that you have a habit of trying to fit assumptions around what you want them to mean. Perhaps you and OP should work on the next fishing expedition.

 

[Papyrus]

@Spooky Bones I've messaged you privately in the past, and I'll reiterate what I said: your internet detective work uncovering the Chess Club and their gayops was top of the line. Much respect.

But I'm no simp, and watching the investigation veer into the weeds, digging into everyone within six degrees of separation, is eye-rolling.

Back on 14 August, an account named CarbonCoffee99 was created on the CWCki, which would be later banned by our own @PsychoNerd054 after it's activity came to light, on 11 September at 0624 EST.

Valid. TAH's decision to sock on the CWCki was beyond dumb. He did no damage, and his alt got banned. Moving on.

In short, @The American Hedgehog and @Marvin have been here before: a major and highly disturbing revelation regarding Chris drops, and there they are in the backdrop as observers. This poses some thorny ethical questions, I suppose: if you are an extremely senior member of the community, what is your obligation if you are merely "observing"/"lurking" in a situation where things are going down regarding Chris (and eventually others) that are extremely problematic?

Since when do ethics come into play on imageboards or wikis dedicated to lolcows? Everyone here spends their time "cyberbullying" (posting mean words) about mentally ill and behaviorally deviant people. Your obligation as a member of the community, however senior, is exactly zero.

Null intervened during the Idea Guys saga and has since received no end of shit for pozloading my neghole. Do I respect him for doing it? Yes. Was he in any way obligated? Hell no.

Whether they could have done anything regarding the actual incest as such is doubtful, but they were in the relevant Discord servers to know about various activities of Sean and other principals a meaningful amount of time prior to their becoming general knowlege on the Kiwi Farms, CWCki, and elsewhere.

As they've come forward to state, being in a Discord server doesn't mean paying the slightest bit of attention to what's posted. Those of us who are forced to use Discord (and MS Teams, Slack, Skype, or similar software) understand how easy it is to accept an invitation--for political reasons, future access possibilities, or just to be polite--and then ignore it. Only the terminally online could hope to keep up with the jiggawatts of autistic, pointless messages those servers generate.

For not being vigilant. Once they take up the mantle of being vigilant, they're kind of stuck with it.

Doing nothing is kind of the problem, especially in the context of what happened in 2018.

No. That's not how it works. They get to decide how involved they want to be. There is no rule that says "once you touch poo, you're forced to swim in it forever." Doing nothing is what this forum is all about.

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(This is from one of the servers he claims not to be involved in. I didn't say "frequently involved" and he said "[multiple] years", and this above looks pretty involved. "Prophecy of the hedgehogs" is ween shit, bitching about Kiwi Farms threads as "a difficult situation" is pretty involved.)

Marvin didn't say anything about the KF threads being the difficult situation. The deleted user (I assume Sean) referenced the KF threads. Marvin's sole contribution when strung together in chronological order was
- prophecy of hedgehogs
- howdy
- difficult situation
- explanation of difficult situation = girl problems

The fact he said he didn't know Sean when you asked him earlier backs up his statement that he hasn't been involved. Sean wasn't using his name in that Discord, and clearly Marvin didn't see any of the doxings.

I couldn't care less about TAH and Marvin (no offense, guys). I'm not here for CWC. This site has so many more entertaining cows. I'm commenting because I approve of KF's mission: to document facts about exceptional individuals and to laugh. This thread contributes to neither. I 100% agree with @Deadpool that this type of behavior destroys communities.

The autism levels are hitting 11/10. It's bordering on "look at the crazy skeleton with his strings and push pins." You've been an asset to the community, Spooky, and I don't like to see that change.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

Honestly based on my understanding here the accusation if you want to call it that is that @The American Hedgehog specifically had knowledge of things he chose not to act on which I don't think you get the luxury of as a mod.

I get thats a bit moral faggy and I'll live with that, but at a certain point if you're going to accept being a mod you accept you don't get to sit around in discords and use it to make yourself look good by dropping info when it gets you good boy points yet not moderate shit you had prior knowledge of when it goes down. The BDSM text debacle alone was something TAH could of nipped in the butt and he chose not. Thats how this reads to me, maybe I'm off base.

I don't know Marvin, but there is clear inconsistency between what he said and what logs indicate. That in fairness is something that can happen without being sinister.

EDIT: Also, I don't believe there is anything claiming either of them was involved with ILJ. Its about them being involved with Sean and having knowledge of the general fuckery going on there. The thread obviously couldn't go in the Chris subforum as you can't make threads there and this subforum hosts Sean's thread so it makes the most sense here even though it doesn't have to do with the subforum's namesake.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

snip snip faggot

I'm not going to summarize the OP for you. I know it's a slog, but you're just going to have to read the thread.

I said what I said, and you can dissect and deflect it any way you like. Especially because, by your own logic, I don't owe you any answers.

See how stupid that sounds when you're hearing it and not saying it?

The only shit I added to the thread comes from years of experience dealing with lying liars and their lies. If you still can't spot a bullshit excuse or a bad argument, that's on you.

 

[Deadpool]

I'm not going to summarize the OP for you. I know it's a slog, but you're just going to have to read the thread.

I said what I said, and you can dissect and deflect it any way you like. Especially because, by your own logic, I don't owe you any answers.

See how stupid that sounds when you're hearing it and not saying it?

The only shit I added to the thread comes from years of experience dealing with lying liars and their lies. If you still can't spot a bullshit excuse or a bad argument, that's on you.

You seem very invested and vitriolic about this. Plz show me on the doll where @The American Hedgehog and @Marvin touched you.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

You seem very invested and vitriolic about this. Plz show me on the doll where @The American Hedgehog and @Marvin touched you.

That's exactly my point. I didn't say anything all that earth-shattering. They were extremely easy observations to make. And now it's on me to prove the OP because I agree there's shady shit going on?

The fact that anything I said rustled any jimmies at all is the remarkable thing.

 

[A big guy (for you)]

If you're going to go after users, then you should be just the facts about it. This is really fast-and-loose. From the facts, I see nothing that says that Marvin and H-Hog were involved with bella shit. All explanations have been plausible.

Frankly, this is irresponsible for someone on staff and if she wasn't staff, then she would probably get shat on for this type of garbage.

You should look at the way @Marvin handled this, "I don't care" is a pretty good response, although not the same as "I don't know anything". The fact that a bunch of people showed up to run defence is more interesting than Marvin himself really.

@The American Hedgehog apparently has proof of his innocence that he has refused to release for over two weeks. If he releases it one of these things will happen:

A) He is shown to be entirely uninvolved
B) He is shown to be involved/had knowledge he should have made public

The point is not that he is involved with Bella, rather he seems to have been either working with Sean, been pulled in by Sean against his own wishes or had BTS info on a lot of the bullshit that went on during late july/early august. I hope he decides to post the rips and is shown to be innocent. These will also be good for information on Sean and Bella's interactions with Chris and I have no idea who Hedgehog thinks he is protecting, everyone in this server is likely well known by this point.
Just because they're both ebin oldfags doesn't mean they should be immune from being asked questions, no one is trying to kill them.
I've already made a post about his obsession with Joshua Wise Here and I don't think it's too far fetched to say that he might have traded favours for info.

@Deadpool You're probably right about infighting and I'll be happy to get snarked on when I'm proven to be retarded.

 

[Boxy Brown]

My 2 cents is that I can't believe any if this comes as a surprise to newfriends let alone other users. That Marv/a CWC super are in multiple troll discords is something I would take for granted. That they're editing out names of people they know/withholding information I would also just assume because it's happened for the entire life cycle of Chris as a lolcow. If there were some evidence of them directly trolling still is what I would consider OP worthy. This just reeks of the general sentiment of this board where you just say shit and hope people believe it i.e. "Bella traded and sold CP and is going to be arrested any day now" ad nauseum. Would I join a troll discord to log or whatever, would I ever talk to CWC directly? No, but I also wouldn't send him money or buy a coin with his face on it.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

I just want to see Marvin realize he inadvertently encouraged weenery.

 

[Deadpool]

Everyone needs a big spoon full of "lol, calm down".

That's one of the worst things about this sub. Kiwi Farms is a comedy gossip site, and the people here are treating this like we're trying to figure out who shot JFK. It was funny when we were learning about how Isabella was a gross fungus infected monster (the animal abuse wasn't funny though), and that Chris fucked his mom. Hell it was even funny when Espeon and Gibi got exposed. Now it's all @Marvin was on the grassy knoll, and @The American Hedgehog has CIA connections.

 

[A-Stump]

I've seen Hideo Kojima plots less retarded than this

 

[Witthel]

Who would've thought that the story of Chris-Chan would reach IBS levels of retardation?