Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Meriasek]

So there's apparently a study from the university of Innsbruck allegedly showing from tissue samples that a high antibody titer is strongly correlated with a serious case of COVID19, while a robust T-cell response is correlated with light cases.

Potent SARS-CoV-2-Specific T Cell Immunity and Low Anaphylatoxin Levels Correlate With Mild Disease Progression in COVID-19 Patients - PubMed

T cells play a fundamental role in the early control and clearance of many viral infections of the respiratory system. In SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals, lymphopenia with drastically reduced CD4⁺ and CD8⁺ T cells correlates with Coronavirus disease 2019...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

High antibody titer results in high anaphylatoxin counts, and finally hyperinflammation and cytocine storms.
On the one hand that paper registers what e.g. @Drain Todger has written quite often, which is that hyperinflammation is the real problem, and that this has to be solved in a serious case.
On the other hand it also recognizes that the one thing the vaccinations claimed to be their advantage, the super high antibody titers, could be problematic and create autoimmune reactions. Hey, remember when Israel started to do third jabs and suddenly cases and hospitalisations jumped up? Surely it's a mystery we'll never solve. In the meantime you should finally get vaccinated, bigot.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

What the hell is gonna happen now? Without the vaccine I know several people personally who would just meltdown and lose all hope, they're hedging on it being over with if everyone is vaxxed as much as I tell them it ain't gonna work.

Well... maybe you can tell them of all the times in the past that outbreaks faded without any sort of lockdown/NPIs or mass vaxx, but from my experience, people are in too deep on the mass hysteria and are not open to even non controversial historical facts.

Bezmenov was fucking right - exposure to correct information does nothing. I used to think that guy embellished a little bit as part of his defector deal with the glowies, but seeing this shit unfold right before me. It's not even sad or infuriating anymore. It's just too fucking kino.

 

[SCSI]

So relevant to the whistleblower theme, I found an interview with Deborah Conrad, that The Highwire just posted on Sept 17. Don't think I've seen this one shared yet, so here it is. Local archive below (1h05m runtime). (I'm aware that Highwire is pretty kooky, I am not endorsing them -- I'm posting so Conrad's statements can be checked out, regardless of her choice of venue.)

In a Highwire exclusive, Deborah Conrad, a hospitalist physician’s assistant on the frontlines of the pandemic, pulls back the curtain on the complete lack and disregard in her hospital for reporting Covid vaccine injury to VAERS, this country’s only mechanism to track the safety of these rushed-to-market, mandated products. In riveting detail, including emails & recorded phone conversations, Conrad exposes the internal push to turn a blind eye to injuries and “tow the company line” that this vaccine is safe. #VAEAR #VaccineInjury #HighWireExclusive #VaccineInjuryReporting #WhistleBlower #TheHighwire #DelBigtree #HW233 POSTED: September 17, 2021 Watch full episodes at: www.TheHighWire.com

Additional notes -- Looks like she also participated in an interview on WXXI, a NY local news station, about the pandemic and how things were going in NY hospitals, back on Jan 14, 2021. She works at United Memorial Medical Center in Batavia, NY. Voice on the WXXI call sounds like a match to the Highwire video. Haven't listened to this yet so I don't have any comments on this interview vs the one where she talks about VAERS issues.

EDIT: I was able to extract and attach the conference call interview from WXXI. Local archive below:

Bonus Content -- Apparently the hospital involved in the Veritas video has issued a statement that they're investigating.

 

[Plank]

As a companion for the Project Veritas videos where the staff is reporting that what sounds like no reporting of deaths and serious injuries from the vaccine.

How to Report Adverse Events to VAERS

Reporting Adverse Events to VAERS | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Learn about reporting adverse events to VAERS – including who can report, what to report and what happens after a report is submitted.

www.cdc.gov

What to Report to VAERS​

Reporting possible health problems (adverse events) after vaccination to VAERS provides valuable information. These reports help CDC and FDA detect new or unusual adverse events that could indicate a problem with a vaccine. If it looks as though a vaccine might be causing a problem, FDA and CDC will investigate further and take action if needed.
Everyone is encouraged to report possible adverse events after vaccination to VAERS, even if they are not sure the vaccine caused the problem. In general, report any side effect or health problem after vaccination that is concerning to you.
Under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA), healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:

• Any adverse event listed in the VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination pdf icon[PDF – 5 Pages]external icon that occurs within the specified time period after vaccinations
• An adverse event listed by the vaccine manufacturer as a contraindication to further doses of the vaccine

Healthcare providers are strongly encouraged to report to VAERS:

• Any adverse event that occurs after the administration of a vaccine licensed in the United States, whether it is or is not clear that a vaccine caused the adverse event
• Vaccine administration errors

Vaccine manufacturers are required to report to VAERS all adverse events that come to their attention.

VAERS Reporting Requirements for COVID-19 Vaccines​

Healthcare providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination [under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)], and other adverse events if later revised by FDA:

• Vaccine administration errors, whether or not associated with an adverse event (AE)
• Serious AEs regardless if the reporter thinks the vaccine caused the AE. Serious AEs per FDA are defined as:
  1. Death;
  2. A life-threatening AE;
  3. Inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization;
  4. A persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions;
  5. A congenital anomaly/birth defect;
  6. An important medical event that based on appropriate medical judgement may jeopardize the individual and may require medical or surgical intervention to prevent one of the outcomes listed above.
• Cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome
• Cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death

Healthcare providers are encouraged to report to VAERS any additional clinically significant AEs following vaccination, even if they are not sure the vaccine caused the event.

Estimating the number of COVID vaccine deaths in America

https://downloads.regulations.gov/CDC-2021-0089-0024/attachment_1.pdf

Abstract: Analysis of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database can be used to estimate the number of excess deaths caused by the COVID vaccines. A simple analysis shows that it is likely that over 150,000 Americans have been killed by the current COVID vaccines as of Aug 28, 2021.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database is the only pharmacovigilance database used by FDA and CDC that is accessible to the public. It is the only database to which the public can voluntarily report injuries or deaths following vaccinations. Medical professionals and pharmaceutical manufacturers are mandated to report serious injuries or deaths to VAERS following vaccinations when they are made aware of them. It is a “passive” system with uncertain reporting rates. VAERS is called the “early warning system” because it is intended to reveal early signals of problems, which can then be evaluated carefully by using an “active” surveillance system.

The VAERS database can be used to estimate the number of deaths caused by the COVID vaccines using the following method:

1. Determine the significant adverse event under-reporting multiplier by using a known significant adverse event rate
2. Determine the number of US deaths reported into VAERS
3. Determine the propensity to report significant adverse events this year
4. Estimate the number of excess deaths using these numbers
5. Validate the result using independent methods

Summary
Using the VAERS database and independent rates of anaphylaxis events from a Mass General study, we computed a 41X under-reporting factor for serious adverse events in VAERS, leading to an estimate of over 150,000 excess deaths caused by the vaccine.

The estimates were validated multiple independent ways.

There is no evidence that these vaccines save more lives than they cost. Pfizer’s own study showed that adverse events consistent with the vaccine were greater than the lives saved by the vaccine to yield a net negative benefit. Without an overall statistically significant all-cause mortality benefit, and evidence of an optional medical intervention that has likely killed over
150,000 Americans so far, vaccination mandates are not justifiable and should be opposed by all members of the medical community.

H.R.5546 - National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986

H.R.5546 - 99th Congress (1985-1986): National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986

Summary of H.R.5546 - 99th Congress (1985-1986): National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986

www.congress.gov

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

The 4chan deer cult remind me of some people I knew growing up. They observe something (people acting mental) and ascribe it to a cause (in this case, the vaccine) which could also be explained another way (increased stress, fear of disease, etc.) but when they point it out the opposition says "Nuh uh. You're crazy. Nothing is happening you conspiracy theorist."

Funny enough, 4chan will say the rise of the aggression is connected to covid and the injection.

My own theory coming from my own little experience as security and talking to someone who's an expert on personalities disorders, while officially they'll say about 4-10% of the population might have a personality disorder, I say it's about 40%. When this shit started back in 2020, guess what the shitstarters tried to use to get their way? That's right covid, then they bit and spat at me, was it actually covid or where they always a little shit that well latch on to anything that gives them power?

Apparently there are MRI scans of covid patients to show brain damage, the thing is that the kind of damage is very similar to those who have a personality disorder.

Also don't be getting into you head that it's one political side or anything like that, personality disorder swear no allegiance to such things, I put a man down for assaulting other, when the police arrived that same man told them I put him down because he refused to wear a mask, I have never once asked someone to wear a mask, and even told my higher up to fuck off with that shit.

 

[Lichen Bark]

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Looks like the machine is scared. I’m surprised they didn’t take it down. They must not know how to respond to this one and are hoping the media can give them a reason to do it.

The same thing happened to the FDA 8 hour livestream a few pages back, had hundreds of thousands of views and they either reuploaded the video again because it dropped back down to 50k and the timestamps I saved were all moved by like 6 minutes. I just checked, the video is at 810K views now, but it should be more. The vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M

Literally just grab the knife out of her hand. Even the skinniest, most soyfed men are stronger than the average woman.

Ever since I have watched the police training video on knife attacks I view the knife a lot differently than in the past. It's also from like the 70s-80s, so that's fun.

Alright, that's pretty scary but how much of this can be believed? I know Veritas usually does above the water stuff, cant recall a single time they've done anything that's been outright misinformation, but this is crazy shit. Plus I don't know how I feel about teasing the part 2, just drop everything already it feels kinda grifty otherwise to sign up for an email form to send it to me directly.

If this is true, the world has been sold on a vaccine that at best provides minimal protection and at worst can inflate your heart like the porn in Dobson's computer and will outright kill you. What the hell is gonna happen now? Without the vaccine I know several people personally who would just meltdown and lose all hope, they're hedging on it being over with if everyone is vaxxed as much as I tell them it ain't gonna work.

Will people just say that risking heart failure is better than catching covid? That's insane.
I'm especially pissed cause I got the vax too, should I be worried that my heart is gonna pop like a balloon or did I luck out? Cause after I got it I didn't have any issues whatsoever other than feeling kinda shitty for a day or two.

I thought it was a bad sign when they said nobody want's to take the 30 minutes to fill out a VAERS report, and when you think about it you probably need a dedicated person doing this, because hospital staff would have to see less patients to fill out the form. I can see them doing a risk benefit, and going with seeing more patients, instead of a VAERS report. The part in the video where they were just telling this young guy he is getting congestive heart failure, that's dark.

In lighter news I saw this image today, and it made me laugh:

Spoiler: LOTR feat. Nicki Minaj

 

[Drain Todger]

Antihistamines and azithromycin as a treatment for COVID-19 on primary health care – A retrospective observational study in elderly patients

Scientists keep making the same mistake. They think it’s the histamine blocking that is protecting these people.

Benadryl is an antioxidant.

Effects of diphenhydramine and famotidine on lipid peroxidation and activities of antioxidant enzymes in different rat tissues - PubMed

The potential antioxidant activity of diphenhydramine (histamine H1-receptor antagonist) and famotidine (histamine H2 receptor antagonist) was studied. Diphenhydramine inhibited the spontaneous, Fe(II)-induced and Fe(II)/ascorbate-induced lipid peroxidation, while famotidine showed a biphasic...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The potential antioxidant activity of diphenhydramine (histamine H1-receptor antagonist) and famotidine (histamine H2 receptor antagonist) was studied. Diphenhydramine inhibited the spontaneous, Fe(II)-induced and Fe(II)/ascorbate-induced lipid peroxidation, while famotidine showed a biphasic concentration-dependent effect on spontaneous lipid peroxidation (a stimulation by 1 mM and an inhibition by 5 mM) and increased Fe(II)-induced- and inhibited Fe(II)/ascorbate-induced lipid peroxidation in the rat liver and brain. Both drugs decreased *OH-provoked deoxyribose degradation in Fenton-type systems and inhibited O2- -provoked reduction of nitro-blue tetrazolium and ferrycytochrome C, but famotidine effect was stronger than that of diphenhydramine. The significant famotidine-induced inhibition of nitro-blue tetrazolium reduction might be underlain by the stimulation of superoxide dismutase activity. Famotidine and diphenhydramine did not alter the catalase activity in all tissue preparations, except for its concentration of 5 mM (a complete inhibition). The present results suggest a beneficial effect of histamine H1 and H2-blockers, especially famotidine, as antioxidants and/or metal chelators, which might be an additional explanation of their therapeutic action.

This hyperinflammation is an oxidative stress disease characterized by a buildup of superoxide, peroxynitrite, hydrogen peroxide, hypochlorous acid, free iron, and hydroxyl radicals in the pulmonary vasculature.

 

[Meriasek]

Some dude in Germany shot a 20 yo gas station attendant over being required to wear a mask. How convenient that this happens right before the federal election, because the growing far-right party has declared itself as the main anti-lockdown/coofstrictions party, and now we'll have nice and cushy reason to not just call the coof-critics plague rats and egotistical scum, but also terrorists and murders. Jesus, the media is in a frenzy over this.

/edit: Also, of course now we can't ever drop mask mandates because that would let the anti-vax-terrorists win.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

"Hey guys it's me FatSlobGamer here and I'm going to talk about that game that totally hasn't been covered yet"

*reads from wiki for 5-6 min*

"Ok so that's the end guys, wash your hands, wear a mask when you go outside, get vaccinated, follow CDC guidelines and please like comment subscribe."

 

[Getting tard comed]

Alright, that's pretty scary but how much of this can be believed? I know Veritas usually does above the water stuff, cant recall a single time they've done anything that's been outright misinformation, but this is crazy shit. Plus I don't know how I feel about teasing the part 2, just drop everything already it feels kinda grifty otherwise to sign up for an email form to send it to me directly.

If this is true, the world has been sold on a vaccine that at best provides minimal protection and at worst can inflate your heart like the porn in Dobson's computer and will outright kill you. What the hell is gonna happen now? Without the vaccine I know several people personally who would just meltdown and lose all hope, they're hedging on it being over with if everyone is vaxxed as much as I tell them it ain't gonna work.

Will people just say that risking heart failure is better than catching covid? That's insane.
I'm especially pissed cause I got the vax too, should I be worried that my heart is gonna pop like a balloon or did I luck out? Cause after I got it I didn't have any issues whatsoever other than feeling kinda shitty for a day or two.

Veritas has literally never published false information. Also everything in the video has been speculated online by other doctors for awhile now including the inventor of the mRNA technology used to make these not vaccines. Whether you believe it or not doesn't matter, it's true.

Why in the world would you take an experimental medical procedure that is permanent, that had no long term data, that was/is funded by people who have made it plain their intention is depopulation? Especially for a disease that everyone had a 99.7% survival rate. I would like to feel sympathy for you but I genuinely don't understand any of the decision making process that you utilized to take the shot.

 

[Drain Todger]

I started to wonder what other effects Ivermectin could have.

Apparently, it raises nitric oxide levels, just like drinking beet juice.

https://www.europeanreview.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/679.pdf

Beetroot juice increase nitric oxide metabolites in both men and women regardless of body mass - PubMed

The nitrate (NO3(-)) present in beetroot juice (BJ) has been studied for its effect on the cardiovascular system by converting to nitric oxide (NO). In the present study, we evaluated the effect of BJ on the excretion of NO metabolites and its relationship with body mass in both men and women...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

NO is antiviral against SARS-like coronaviruses. It prevents the palmitoylation of the Spike protein, which is necessary to prime it for fusion.

Dual effect of nitric oxide on SARS-CoV replication: Viral RNA production and palmitoylation of the S protein are affected

Nitric oxide is an important molecule playing a key role in a broad range of biological process such as neurotransmission, vasodilatation and immune responses. While the anti-microbiological properties of nitric oxide-derived reactive nitrogen intermediates ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Palmitoylation is when fatty acids bind to proteins:

Palmitoylation - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

NO inhibits this in both SARS and COVID. Anything that raises your NO, such as foods high in dietary nitrate, is beneficial. But the main thing is to exercise like mad. Constant aerobic exercise for healthy blood vessels. That reduces your baseline oxidative stress, meaning that less NO is reacted away by superoxide to form peroxynitrite, and the enzymes that manufacture NO function better. This is pretty much why fat, diabetic, hypertensive, old, and/or black people all get COVID worse than anyone else; pre-existing endothelial dysfunction means lower NO levels in the blood vessels, and since the virus infects the lining of blood vessels, well, there you go.

 

[Roybertitos]

Why in the world would you take an experimental medical procedure that is permanent, that had no long term data, that was/is funded by people who have made it plain their intention is depopulation? Especially for a disease that everyone had a 99.7% survival rate. I would like to feel sympathy for you but I genuinely don't understand any of the decision making process that you utilized to take the shot.

Honestly, I just made the risk reward analysis with the information we had at hand. Objectively it looked like the amount of people getting bad reactions to it at the time were minuscule compared to those who had complications from covid. For the most part I got it cause I'm planning to travel later this year or early next and I know they're gonna require it sooner or later.

I had people I knew personally get the shot and none of them had any major issues, I asked people I knew in Healthcare if they saw any and they said no. As much as I enjoy the speculation here, I can't in good conscience make my health decisions on what you guys say here cause as far as I know you ain't a doctors. Also I live with my parents at the moment and was convinced to take it for their benefit and peace of mind, although now I know it doesn't really help much in that department.

Anyway I don't know why I'm justifying my choice to get the stick, I made the cognizant decision to get it just like you are making the same to not get it. If it blows up my heart or does something else bad to me, well shit that's my fault for getting convinced and if I survive it I won't be making that same mistake twice. On the other hand, if covid ends up becoming super AIDS and your choice to not get jabbed gets you in the hospital it's the same deal. We're responsible for our own health and if either of us made the wrong choice that's on us. Isn't that the whole argument against vaccine mandates, regardless of where you are on the issue?

 

[Plank]

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The Covid Cultists on twitter are desperately trying to smear her. Here is here employment info:

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Jodi O'Malley, MSN-Ed, RN

I began my career in health care 10 years ago working in the nutrition department. I had always worked in customer service and found a deep calling to become a nurse. Eventually, I earned my masters degree in nursing education. I have worked in many specialty areas such as ER, ICU, detox and PACU recovering patients from surgery.

I believe my ability to empathize and gain a genuine personal connection to my patients are qualities that set me apart from others.

And here is one of the other medical staff from the Project Veritas video:

https://health.usnews.com/doctors/maria-gonzalez-landestoy-569809

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[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

At this point, I don't think there's any escape from the New Normal that doesn't involve unprecedented violence and protest on a level that puts shit like the 1968 protests in the West to shame, barring the vaccines being so dangerous that within the next 5-10 years most people who've taken them die of heart conditions, cancer, or ADE coronavirus infections. If it was bad enough they shut down the world over a glorified flu last year, they've since tripled down and dug themselves the deepest hole possible by mandating a borderline useless vaccine through either the government or through corporations.

It feels like the elite have staked their entire future on what they can do with these vaccine passports, probably against objections from other elites who would've wanted to wait until the next scamdemic when tech is more advanced (hence the confusion in messaging). It's downright insane the only thing stopping us from total tyranny (especially in the US, but the world watches the US) are people like Ron DeSantis (who's in deep with lobbyists), a bunch of Republican politicians who love money and looking good, a bunch of local Republican politicians who haven't had the opportunity to get hooked into the lobbying machine yet, and aging federal judges appointed by people like fucking Dubya Bush or his CIA dad. Oh, and don't forget Nicki Minaj and BLM.

And my job has gotten more aggressive in asking about vaxx status, but all I need to defraud the system is a picture of a vaccine card (i.e. cheap Photoshop). I'll just stall for time since I like my job (the company is exceptional) and don't feel like job hunting right now. I do like my job and have zero desire to get vaxxed or tested every week (well, unless it's like the easy to defraud tests or I can otherwise easily fake a positive test), but I'll gladly look somewhere else if my picture of a vaxx passport doesn't pass muster (something about a state database?). If I get fired for it, then that's life, because no one I've ever worked with would ever hold that against me.

It's amazing how they can't convince people to get vaccinated without threatening their ability to provide for themselves. If we actually were in a pandemic, you wouldn't need cheap tricks like banning people from grocery stores or firing them from their jobs because people would be lining up to get as much of the vaccine in them as possible.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Honestly, I just made the risk reward analysis with the information we had at hand. Objectively it looked like the amount of people getting bad reactions to it at the time were minuscule compared to those who had complications from covid. For the most part I got it cause I'm planning to travel later this year or early next and I know they're gonna require it sooner or later.

I had people I knew personally get the shot and none of them had any major issues, I asked people I knew in Healthcare if they saw any and they said no. As much as I enjoy the speculation here, I can't in good conscience make my health decisions on what you guys say here cause as far as I know you ain't a doctors. Also I live with my parents at the moment and was convinced to take it for their benefit and peace of mind, although now I know it doesn't really help much in that department.

Anyway I don't know why I'm justifying my choice to get the stick, I made the cognizant decision to get it just like you are making the same to not get it. If it blows up my heart or does something else bad to me, well shit that's my fault for getting convinced and if I survive it I won't be making that same mistake twice. On the other hand, if covid ends up becoming super AIDS and your choice to not get jabbed gets you in the hospital it's the same deal. We're responsible for our own health and if either of us made the wrong choice that's on us. Isn't that the whole argument against vaccine mandates, regardless of where you are on the issue?

Yes, what I'm asking is how did you weigh the risk vs the reward. That's the part I'm confused about. From everything you said the only reward I can see is wanting to travel and not wanting to wait and see if it in fact does become mandatory. And you were aware of the risks because you read this thread but didn't trust it because it's randoms on the internet but also didn't bother to look into it yourself.

The survival rate being 99.7% isn't limited to anon forums. That shit was on mainstream television news.

Obviously you can make your own health decisions, I'm trying to figure out how you weighed the risks and rewards to taking this and came up with the rewards outweighing the risks.

Edit: To be more specific, before adverse reactions came out and were documented, before we had data showing the shots were useless it was common knowledge that a)covid hadn't been sequenced yet
b) the vaccine couldn't be a real vaccine due to it not having any of the actual virus
c) it was and still is experimental
d) no long term data on health side effects
e) very few studies done on the effects of this new technology
f) The CDC told everyone not to take a vaccine until 7 years after its been utilized and tested and you could see the effects

All of that information was mainstream information. No "conspiracy theorist" forum or internet sleuthing necessary. So were you not aware of any of that? Did you not think about it? Did it not matter? That's the part I'm confused about.

 

[Roybertitos]

Yes, what I'm asking is how did you weigh the risk vs the reward. That's the part I'm confused about. From everything you said the only reward I can see is wanting to travel and not wanting to wait and see if it in fact does become mandatory. And you were aware of the risks because you read this thread but didn't trust it because it's randoms on the internet but also didn't bother to look into it yourself.

The survival rate being 99.7% isn't limited to anon forums. That shit was on mainstream television news.

Obviously you can make your own health decisions, I'm trying to figure out how you weighed the risks and rewards to taking this and came up with the rewards outweighing the risks.

I guess it was mostly family and friends that did me in, I couldn't really articulate everything I've seen on this thread when we would argue about it and couldn't get over the block that "but everything you're saying is just shit you heard online when all the doctors are saying it's safe!" The culture here isn't as individualistic as the west, the nail that sticks out gets hammered down and what not so I felt that just taking the damn thing was better than being branded an anti-vaxxer.

Also I did look into it myself and unsurprisingly most mainstream sources say it's safe, the only thing I was worried about was the heart issues they found in young boys but I'm not really within that demographic anymore. Most sources I saw said the survival rate for Covid is at 99% for younger people and it changes a bit with comorbidities. I figured that the 1% of dying of covid was worse than the less than 1% chance of getting your skin peeled off or whatever adverse reactions from the vax. Honestly I've put more dangerous substances in my body and when I read the waiver you sign when you take it in my country at least they compensate for your treatment if you get fucked up by the shot.

So yeah that's my mindset, it might not make sense to you but I got it and so far nothing but a bit of weakness in the first day or two and that's it. I'm willing to admit I was pressured into it and wanted to just live my life without people having to question my choices. Seeing as it has done jack shit to improve my situation I'll prolly not take another one unless it's either a real vaccine or covid gets 100x more dangerous and that's the only option.

EDIT TO ADD: I was aware of those things you listed to an extent, but when I would argue such things but most people just flat-out say I'm not a doctor or virologist so they can't take my word for it, if I pressed on I would sound kind of crazy to myself. I was beginning to feel crazy with the lack of social interaction and caved, not really much else to it I guess. It wasn't gonna end it, but I figured that it would keep my family and friends at ease if I got it rather than keeping them scared with obscure studies from Israel or the Netherlands about mask use or vaccine efficacy. Plus there was a surge at the time when I got it and my family was worried about getting sick since Healthcare here sucks ass. It just made more sense to me at the time to just get it over with.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Obviously you can make your own health decisions, I'm trying to figure out how you weighed the risks and rewards to taking this and came up with the rewards outweighing the risks.

Money and travel privileges. It's not surprising why a bunch of people are getting vaccinated when the governments and corporations of the world are trying to enforce an apartheid-esque system on vaxxed/unvaxxed. Like imagine if black people in Apartheid South Africa or the Jim Crow South had a choice between remaining oppressed or getting Michael Jackson treatments that were either permanent (with unknown side effects) or lasted a week (but hurt like hell and cost money). There would be a fuckton of blacks getting those treatments just to not be oppressed.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Money and travel privileges. It's not surprising why a bunch of people are getting vaccinated when the governments and corporations of the world are trying to enforce an apartheid-esque system on vaxxed/unvaxxed. Like imagine if black people in Apartheid South Africa or the Jim Crow South had a choice between remaining oppressed or getting Michael Jackson treatments that were either permanent (with unknown side effects) or lasted a week (but hurt like hell and cost money). There would be a fuckton of blacks getting those treatments just to not be oppressed.

That's what doesn't make sense to me. If someone is oppressing you, doing what they want you to do and thinking they will stop oppressing you is beyond retarded and so historically illiterate you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote in any democratic or republic system of goverment.

At times I understand why the elite of the world view the plebs as sheep and deserve to be ruled over. With logic like that you probably don't deserve to make your own choices.

 

[Nique la mere de Macron]

The first of october, Belgium is getting rid of the mandatory facemask in stores and other buildings. You still have to wear them in the hospital and at the hairsalon (lol) because "muh close contact".
Meanwhile, our prime minister called the unvaccinated a danger and says we don't have the right to endanger the rest of society. Nobody has.
Still people don't get that, if you are jabbed, you are protected. End. Why be so scared then? Fucking idiotas.

There is an article I read today about the government playing with the idea to install a Covid pass to go to foodstores. If they push this through, I will have to cave in, guys. That one really fucked me up today. They're going full israel here.

Not sure if you have the same chains in Belgium as in France, but Chronodrive (or any “drive”) is great if you or a friend have a car, and miamland (or similar) delivers large quantities. Also, I’ve noticed that Uber eats, even in smaller cities, has started doing grocery deliveries from places like Carrefour. Amazon market is ok for nonperishables, and if you are in a smaller town, chances are your local baker and butcher won’t give a fuck. Also, outdoor farmers markets.

 

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That's what doesn't make sense to me. If someone is oppressing you, doing what they want you to do and thinking they will stop oppressing you is beyond retarded and so historically illiterate you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote in any democratic or republic system of goverment.

At times I understand why the elite of the world view the plebs as sheep and deserve to be ruled over. With logic like that you probably don't deserve to make your own choices.

As nice of a sentiment that is, where I'm at shit doesn't change unless all the proles are literally rioting in the streets. It's gotten to the point where we know they've stolen billions from us using by overcharging on PPE and all you get is a shrug and a "of course they're stealing, they're the government." People are more concerned about their own needs and the needs of their families to bother about what the government is doing. Those of us that aren't don't really want things to change so much cause they're doing well in this system. It's fucked but that's life in a 3rd world shithole, make sure you guys don't get to this point.