Pedophilia in the gay community - oh no, homophobia

[NerdShamer]

It's his motto just post a bunch of links he doesnt read.

Well, it seems to be the norm for these sites to claim an percentage without the actual number of people who were interviewed. I think that I have an rough estimate of the national trans population of America, but we'll never know for sure.

 

[Maratus volans]

The Born This Way™ crowd has monopolized discussion of homosexuality and its aetiology to the extent that questioning it amounts to homophobia.

That's because, in some ways, it does.

In order to gain acceptance, gays had to divorce sexuality from sex and instead turn it into a immutable internal state. The reason for this is that sex has a lot of moral red tape surrounding it, and for good reason - society has strong incentives to regulate human sexual impulses, such as encouraging stable family formation, solidifying kin bonds and social cohesion, preventing the spread of disease, etc. Trying to directly rewrite all of this moral code was never going to be a winning battle for gays, so the next best option was just to sidestep it entirely and pretend that homosexuality wasn't about sex at all. Returning the sex to the equation would reopen all of the old moral questions and objections that were never addressed.

If that playbook sounds familiar, by the way, that's because it is. Troons are copying the gays' homework to get trans acceptance pushed, and the MAP/NOMAP community on social media is trying the same thing for kiddy diddlers. Alas, Jerry Falwell tried to warn us about this, but we didn't listen...

 

[NerdShamer]

Thank you for the link, somehow. However I am not seeing how this goes against what @NerdShamer has said.

Yes, I've read the entire article. It's basically half-admitting that they're suicidal because the world is mean to them and that some quotes implies that they're less likely to kill themselves if one of their needs are met. But there's no info on what happens when all of their demands are met.

 

[Lemmingwise]

How many damn discord accounts do you have?

How else are you going to groom those kids?

 

[ryu289]

Why do you fetishize trans women so heavily? Just become a dickgirl fetishist like an anime fan

Where do I fetishize them?

Thank you for the link, somehow. However I am not seeing how this goes against what @NerdShamer has said.

The fact that discrimination and failure to pass are the big reason for suicide attempts? He claimed there must be something else wrong with them, without evidence.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Well, it seems to be the norm for these sites to claim an percentage without the actual number of people who were interviewed. I think that I have an rough estimate of the national trans population of America, but we'll never know for sure.

The prevalence rates for true Gender Dysphoria are: 0.005% to 0.014% for females and 0.002% to 0.003% for males.

 

[NerdShamer]

The prevalence rates for true Gender Dysphoria are: 0.005% to 0.014% for females and 0.002% to 0.003% for males.

For American males, this brings us to a little bit over 3,000 out of an population of 159,028,000 and 5,500 to 23 thousand for 166,449,500 females, if I'm right.

 

[ryu289]

The prevalence rates for true Gender Dysphoria are: 0.005% to 0.014% for females and 0.002% to 0.003% for males.

Remember when you said

Data means nothing without the statistics behind it to support its significance. The fact your posting PNGs instead of the study seeems to state you do not wish us to fact check the study itself.

Well the fact you don't give your source shows you might be making things up.

A flashy piece of infographics that mean nothing cause htey have no supports.

Here is the source showing the supports. The download link was at the bottom of the page. Do you need to be spoonfed like a baby?

Yes, I've read the entire article. It's basically half-admitting that they're suicidal because the world is mean to them

By that do you mean:

In addition to general risk factors, transgender people have additional risk factors, such as experiences of discrimination, stigma, family rejection, and lack of access to gender-affirming health care. Findings regarding these unique factors include the following:

• Experiencing discrimination or mistreatment in education, employment, housing, health care, in places of public accommodations, or from law enforcement is associated with a higher prevalence of suicide thoughts and attempts. For example, the prevalence of past-year suicide attempts by those who reported that they had been denied equal treatment in the past year because they are transgender was more than double that of those who had not experienced such treatment (13.4% compared to 6.3%).
• Those who reported that their spouses, partners, or children rejected them because they are transgender reported a higher prevalence of lifetime and past-year suicide attempts. Those
  who reported rejection by their family of origin, for example, reported twice the prevalence of past-year suicide attempts compared to those who had not experienced such rejection (10.5%compared to 5.1%).
• Respondents who had been rejected by their religious communities or had undergone conversion therapy were more likely to report suicide thoughts and attempts. For instance, 13.1 percent of those who had experienced religious rejection in the past year had attempted suicide in the past year; by contrast, 6.3 percent of respondents who had experienced religious acceptance in the past year attempted suicide in the past year.
• Experiences of violence, including intimate partner violence (IPV) are associated with higher prevalence of suicide thoughts and attempts. Over 30 percent of those who were physically attacked in a place of public accommodation reported attempting suicide in the past year, which is over four times the prevalence among respondents who were not similarly attacked.
• Those who had “de-transitioned” at some point, meaning having gone back to living according to their sex assigned at birth, were significantly more likely to report suicide thoughts and attempts, both past-year and lifetime, than those who had never “de-transitioned.” Nearly 12 percent of those who “de-transitioned” attempted suicide in the past year compared to 6.7 percent of those who have not “de-transitioned.”
• People who are not viewed by others as transgender and those who do not disclose to others that they are transgender reported a lower prevalence of suicide thoughts and attempts. For instance, 6.3 percent of those who reported that others can never tell they are transgender attempted suicide in the past year compared to 12.2 percent of those who reported that others can always tell they are transgender.
• The cumulative effect of minority stress is associated with a higher prevalence of suicidality. For instance, 97.7 percent of those who had experienced four discriminatory or violence experiences in the past year (being fired or forced to resign from a job, eviction, experiencing homelessness, and physical attack) reported seriously thinking about suicide in the past year and 51.2 percent made a suicide attempt in the past year.

We also found that there are some factors that are associated with lower risk of suicide thoughts and attempts for USTS respondents:

• Respondents with supportive families reported lower prevalence of past-year and lifetime suicide thoughts and attempts.
• Those who wanted, and subsequently received, hormone therapy and/or surgical care had a substantially lower prevalence of past-year suicide thoughts and attempts than those who wanted hormone therapy and surgical care and did not receive them.
• A lower proportion of respondents who lived in a state with a gender identity nondiscrimination statute reported past-year suicide thoughts and attempts than those who lived in states without such a statute.

Our findings underscore the urgency of research to identify promising intervention and prevention strategies to address suicidality in this population. USTS respondents have the elevated risk of suicide thoughts and attempts that one would expect based on general risk factors that affect the U.S. population, such as substance use and serious psychological distress. Yet, it’s clear that minority stress experiences, such as family rejection, discrimination experiences, and lack of access to gender-affirming health care, create added risks for transgender people. Furthermore, the cumulative effect of experiencing multiple minority stressors is associated with dramatically higher prevalence of suicidality.

But there's no info on what happens when all of their demands are met.

What do you mean by "demands"?

 

[Newman's Own]

My point is that male and female children shouldn't be alienated or isolated by their family for their falling outside of gender norms. A male child shouldn't have to feel different from other male children, just because he doesn't engage in rough and tumble play. A male child shouldn't feel like less of a male child because he doesn't engage in male typical behaviors for his culture.

I understand what you're saying about social cost for being a deviant. I agree that there should be a social cost. Social cost gives people's choices meaning. That's probably what is lacking right now.



But gender doesn't exist, just expression.

Pepsi shouldn't use luke warm Coke and ice cold Pepsi in their taste tests. People shouldn't make fun of other people. Parents shouldn't beat children.

Let's re-engineer society to correct these injustices. We can get government to regulate taste tests. Censor every form of communication to enforce good manners and strip all parents of their rights so we can stop parental abuse from ever starting.

I'm sure there won't be any negative consequences.

Whenever people talk about how things should or shouldn't be they seem to come around to telling everyone else how they can and cannot live.

It sounds like you are victim blaiming here. You are also falling for the ought-is fallacy here. I mean how do you determine how a person should act based on their biology? What you propose is very hazardous:

You think toddlers benefit from sexual abuse so what things sound like to you is not to be taken seriously.

If anything you are promoting genetic determinism.

It's the great denial of the trans activist community to deny the profound influence of biology in gender expression in favor of delusional blank slate theory. The greatest influence on gender expression is biology.

You should join reality.

You seem to conflate sex with gender.

You SEEM to conflate gender expression with reality. Trans boys are objectively not boys but rather gender non-conforming girls who need mental health care and sober cautious treatment rather than blissful affirmation and encouragement to sterilize themselves.

You want to force people to ignore objective sex differences in favor of subjective and unreliable gender preference.

Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people.

Is it that hard to understand?

Gender refers to expression of ones sexual characteristics in all but a very few outlying cases. All the science points to this and the denial of it in favor of dangerous and permanently disfiguring interventions is unconscionable.

You're a terrible person Ryu, not just for your pedophilic tendencies but also for your advocacy of child abuse based on thinly veiled political ideology and your obvious trans fetish.

Is that hard to understand?

Where do I fetishize them?

In your requests for jerk fiction among other places logged on your Kiwi thread if memory serves degenerate.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/jacob-s-blaustein-ryu238-ryu289.99675/

 

[NerdShamer]

@ryu289 Jazz Jennings is living proof that you can have just about everything go your way and still wind up as an sobbing wreck. Sure, all that stuff is bound to cause that kind of mindset, but what happens when it's swiftly resolved in their favor?

 

[ryu289]

You think toddlers benefit from sexual abuse so what things sound like to you is not to be taken seriously.

Well I never said that.

It's the great denial of the trans activist community to deny the profound influence of biology in gender expression in favor of delusional blank slate theory. The greatest influence on gender expression is biology.

What some call "biological sex" depends on alot of factors going in a certain direction which we shouldn't take for granted.

Jazz Jennings is living proof that you can have just about everything go your way and still wind up as an sobbing wreck.

She seems fine

 

[Newman's Own]

What some call "biological sex" depends on alot of factors going in a certain direction which we shouldn't take for granted.

Cut the double speak you nonce POS. Biological sex depends on genetic make-up. Sex is determined by the existence of XY or XX chromosomes in all statistically significant cases. Your links don't support your attempt at rebuttal.

You SEEM to be confusing "biological sex" with how you (and a great many political activists) wish the universe worked.

And don't be pointing to unfortunate biological anomalies like they're proof of anything other than grasping at straws.

 

[NerdShamer]

Dude, regular people don't go through with this.

Or this.

What do you mean by "demands"?

Accessible healthcare, a loving family, employment where everyone winds up minding their own business, hormones. The list goes on, but they always find something else to complain.

 

[libRT]

The fact that discrimination and failure to pass are the big reason for suicide attempts? He claimed there must be something else wrong with them, without evidence.

If you can't survive insults, you're not going to survive. Just because a salon doesn't want to give whats left of your ballsack a vajazzle, doesn't mean its medical discrimination. Just like a doctor diagnosing you based on your actual biology.

Why is failure to pass a big reason? Is the suicide rate compariable to ugly people? The only reason is they want to be fucked like the gender they are pretending to be. It's really the only thing that has that requirement. (i.e AGP not gender dysphoria)

 

[NerdShamer]

If you can't survive insults, you're not going to survive. Just because a salon doesn't want to give whats left of your ballsack a vajazzle, doesn't mean its medical discrimination

You're conveniently forgetting the repeated calls to the fire department to get him out his bathtub, along the time when it prolasped.

 

[Newman's Own]

Well I never said that.

Sure you did. Was it the Kinsey study you were spouting off about or when you were trying to tell people that seeing strange cock in a locker room was a net positive and linking out of context studies about naturalist nudists?

I don't remember but it's all being documented in your glorious and well deserved thread here.

You are despicable on multiple levels.

 

[deadeggbeard]

Can we move the transperging somewhere else and get back to whatever the original point of this thread was? Something something gays are pedophiles something

 

[ryu289]

Dude, regular people don't go through with this.

Neither of those have to do with her being trans.

Accessible healthcare, a loving family, employment where everyone winds up minding their own business, hormones

Yes and the study shows them not getting it.

If you can't survive insults, you're not going to survive

It was more than insults.

Cut the double speak you nonce POS. Biological sex depends on genetic make-up. Sex is determined by the existence of XY or XX chromosomes in all statistically significant cases. Your links don't support your attempt at rebuttal.

So you think xy and xx ought to determine sex despite cases existing showing that it isn't always the case?

Though it is still not fully understood, we know SRY plays a role in pushing the primordium toward male gonads. But SRY is not a simple on/off switch, it’s a precisely timed start signal, the first chord of the “male gonad” symphony. A group of cells (instrument sections) must all express SRY (notes of the chord), at the right time (conductor?). Without that first chord, the embryo will play a different symphony: female gonads, or something in between.

However, while brief and coordinated SRY-activation initiates the process of male-sex differentiation, genes like DMRT1 and FOXL2 maintain certain sexual characteristics during adulthood. If these genes stop functioning, gonads can change and exhibit characteristics of the opposite sex. Without these players constantly active, certain components of your biological sex can change.

There’s still more! SRY, DMRT1, and FOXL2 aren’t directly involved with other aspects of biological sex. Secondary sex characteristics—penis, vagina, appearance, behavior—arise later, from hormones, environment, experience, and genes interacting.

In short what you define as either "make" or "female" depends on alot of factors going in a certain direction which we shouldn't take for granted.
You are trying to say that the exception proves the rule by focusing on the chromosomes without determining if they really are the be all end all of sex determination.

And don't be pointing to unfortunate biological anomalies like they're proof of anything other than grasping at straws.

That is special pleading right there. Just ignore that there are other factors to sex besides chromosomes.

Why is failure to pass a big reason? Is the suicide rate compariable to ugly people?

Its called depersonalization.

Can we move the transperging somewhere else and get back to whatever the original point of this thread was? Something something gays are pedophiles something

Sure.

Sure you did. Was it the Kinsey study you were spouting off about or when you were trying to tell people that seeing strange cock in a locker room was a net positive and linking out of context studies about naturalist nudists

Nope, I didn't defend child sex in any of those.

 

[GenociderSyo]

@ryu289 It came from the DSM-V which has more then enough backing for its accuracy in prevalence rates.

Also thats not what depersonalization is.

• A. The presence of persistent or recurrent experiences of depersonalization, derealization or both:
  • Depersonalization: Experiences of unreality, detachment, or being an outside observer with respect to one's thoughts, feelings, sensations, body, or actions (e.g., perceptual alterations, distorted sense of time, unreal or absent self, emotional and/or physical numbing).
  • Derealization: "Experiences of unreality or detachment with respect to surroundings (e.g., individuals or objects are experienced as unreal, dreamlike, foggy, lifeless, or visually distorted."
• B. During the depersonalization or derealization experiences, reality testing remains intact.
• C. The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
• D. The disturbance is not attributable to the physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, medication) or other medical condition (e.g., seizures).
• E. The disturbance is not better explained by another mental disorder, such as schizophrenia, panic disorder, major depressive disorder, acute stress disorder, posttraumatic stress disorder, or another dissociative disorder."

 

[NerdShamer]

Can we move the transperging somewhere else and get back to whatever the original point of this thread was? Something something gays are pedophiles something

No, because it is now infected by the AIDS that @ryu289 gave us.