Pedophilia in the gay community - oh no, homophobia

libRT said:
For the majority of the 40%? Proof?
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Sure, here
libRT said:
The cure for depersonalization isn't mutilating genitals. Otherwise the suicide rate wouldn't be worse post-op.
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Where did you get that? It's the opposite.
Off course not everyone takes gender-affirmation surgey:
All transgender or gender dysphoric individuals cannot be grouped together when it comes to medical or life decisions. There are various reasons why a transgender person chooses or abstains from medical procedures, which range from hormone therapy to surgery. A person is still considered transgender if they elect against an operation, cosmetic procedures or hormone therapy.
NerdShamer said:
Ok, so why does he has an history of freaking out?
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That was from 2017...before her surgery...
 
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Sure, here
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From the 'study':
Discrimination
The USTS collected data on discrimination experiences across many areas of life, such as school, work, health care, and public accommodations, including public restrooms. Prior research shows that such discrimination experiences are minority stressors, which negatively impact mental and physical health.28 Tables 9a through 9g present findings related to the generally strong association of discrimination experiences and past-year and lifetime suicide thoughts and attempts.
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The whole study is based on self-reporting. I.e more subjective than objective. Soft sciences suck.

ryu289 said:
Where did you get that? It's the opposite.
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Similar argument, they get more depersonalised when their biology more closely matches their fictional gender?
 
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libRT said:
Similar argument, they get more depersonalised when their biology more closely matches their fictional gender?
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He's pasting shit from:
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The zinnia who has a thread here... Your just feeding his ego.

Depersonalization has nothing to do with gender dyshporia. It is a maladaptive coping mechanism that everyone can have.

Studies proved that there was no different in usage of depersonalization.

"Our results indicate that transsexuals compared to females and males do not
differ with regard to depersonalization and satisfaction. In comparison to
other studies in which transsexuals had high dissociation scores (Walling et
al., 1998 or had a high depersonalization score (Hartmann et al., 1997), our
results speak in favor of a normal range for such phenomena. "
DOI: 10.1023/a:1002752214526
 
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ryu289 said:
Where do I fetishize them?
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you talk about trans people to an uncomfortable degree, as if that's one of the only things on your mind outside of pedophilia. There's something up with that if that's one of the only things you talk about. Besides, it's weird remembering specific dates for when trans women go for dick chop surgeries anyways.
ryu289 said:
The fact that discrimination and failure to pass are the big reason for suicide attempts? He claimed there must be something else wrong with them, without evidence.
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have you read the article you linked or do you just skim through parts for the parts you can specifically use on the occasion? I noticed you pulled the same shit with that Coffey25 redditor.
 
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libRT said:
Well you claimed that it was depersonalization that was the cause of suicide? If so it wouldn't go up post-op?
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And I just showed the opposite remember?
GenociderSyo said:
Studies proved that there was no different in usage of depersonalization.
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  • Walling, Goodwin, & Cole (1998) found that scores on the Dissociative Experiences Scale (DES) were significantly lower in trans people who had reassignment surgery compared to trans people who had not, most significantly on the subscale of depersonalization.
  • Wolfradt & Neumann (2001) studied trans women who had completed reassignment surgery, finding that their levels of depersonalization symptoms were comparable to cisgender male and female controls.
  • Bandini et al. (2013) found that trans people who had not undergone genital surgery showed elevated scores on the depersonalization subscale of the Body Uneasiness Test (BUT) compared to cis male and female controls, while trans people who had undergone surgery scored similarly to cis controls.
  • Fisher et al. (2014) studied trans men and trans women who had not undergone surgery, finding that trans women on hormones showed a significant drop in BUT depersonalization scores compared to trans women who weren’t on hormones, but trans men did not exhibit a significant difference.
  • Colizzi, Costa, & Todarello (2015) noted that trans people show a lifetime prevalence of any dissociative disorder of 29.6%, compared to 12.2% of the general population. In their longitudinal study, trans people’s mean DES depersonalization subscale score decreased following HRT (19.05 at baseline vs. 9.31 at followup), but showed no further drop following surgery (9.31 vs. 9.66). However, when the “feeling that their body does not belong to them” item was excluded from the depersonalization subscale, their baseline score fell from 19.05 to 12.72.
And here
More specifically, when treated with hormone therapy, gender dysphoria individuals reported less anxiety,35,37,38 dissociation,45 perceived stress,14 social distress,35 and higher mental health-related quality of life24,36,43,44 and self-esteem.36,38 Also, compared to FtM individuals, MtF individuals seemed to benefit more in terms of body uneasiness,39 emotional functioning,31 and personality-related psychopathology.30,41,42 More mixed results emerged from studies investigating other mental health-related dimensions. In particular, recent studies suggested reduced depressive symptoms in hormone-treated gender dysphoria individuals,35–37 despite previous evidence of no association between cross-sex hormonal treatment and depression among MtF34 and FtM individuals.31 Similarly, global psychopathology appeared to be reduced in two studies,8,37 while a third one did not detect any change.39 Finally, while two studies indicated less functional impairment37 and reduced problems with socialization and interpersonal functioning in gender dysphoria individuals receiving hormone therapy,38 two other studies did not find any effect of hormone therapy on social adjustment34 and psychosocial functioning.36 Negative findings generally came from studies involving a cross-sectional design. On the contrary, the few longitudinal studies identified in this review were consistent in indicating an association between hormonal treatment and better mental health.14,29,31,37,40,45 Conducting observations of the same subjects over a period of time, longitudinal studies can establish sequences of events and better detect changes in the characteristics of the target population, also due to their higher statistical power.
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NerdShamer said:
This has nothing to do with the surgery.
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Oh?
Jazz Jennings' Mom Asked Her to Consider Therapy to Address 'Mood Swings' Before Her Bottom Surgery
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Newman's Own said:
And don't be pointing to unfortunate biological anomalies like they're proof of anything other than grasping at straws.
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ryu289 said:
So you think xy and xx ought to determine sex despite cases existing showing that it isn't always the case?
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Couldn't help yourself.

You think anomalies change the rules but the fact they are anomalies actually proves the rules.

You're a moron. Sadly you are not an anomaly.

ryu289 said:
Nope, I didn't defend child sex in any of those.
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Yeah, you aren't fooling anyone, nonce.
 
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Newman's Own said:
Couldn't help yourself.

You think anomalies change the rules but the fact they are anomalies actually proves the rules.
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How?
There are some logical problems with this. While most kinds of rules have exceptions, and vague generalisations have more than most, the "exception that proves the rule" rhetoric glosses over why these exceptions exist. Any logical appraisal of a rule should regard it as weak, or even disproven, if cases can be found where it does not apply, unless there is a clear reason why it should not be applied in these cases. Instead these exceptions are said to prove the rule, suggesting paradoxically that the truth of a rule is somehow strengthened by not always being true. In short you don't explain why we should consider these "anomalies" that somehow prove that chromosomes alone determine sex despite me showing other factors.
 
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ryu289 said:
How?
There are some logical problems with this. While most kinds of rules have exceptions, and vague generalisations have more than most, the "exception that proves the rule" rhetoric glosses over why these exceptions exist. Any logical appraisal of a rule should regard it as weak, or even disproven, if cases can be found where it does not apply, unless there is a clear reason why it should not be applied in these cases. Instead these exceptions are said to prove the rule, suggesting paradoxically that the truth of a rule is somehow strengthened by not always being true. In short you don't explain why we should consider these "anomalies" that somehow prove that chromosomes alone determine sex despite me showing other factors.
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You'd have to be neurotypical and have an IQ well above your inseam to see the logic you've missed.

Why don't you take a swing anyway? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule#Proving_the_existence_of_the_rule

Edit: Cretinous predatory loon.
 
Newman's Own said:
Why don't you take a swing anyway? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule#Proving_the_existence_of_the_rule
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Why aren't you trying to do it yourself? That link only explains how it is supposed to work, except it doesn't address my points at all. In short you are being lazy b y not explaining how these exceptions in this particular case prove the "rule" that only chromosomes determine sex

NerdShamer said:
Ryu had posted an article penned by one of the rat kings, talking about something related to transgender stuff.
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And you failed to prove it wrong thus you are doing an ad homeniem
 
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ryu289 said:
Why aren't you trying to do it yourself? That link only explains how it is supposed to work, except it doesn't adress my points at all. In short you are being lazy



And you failed to prove it wrong thus you are doing an ad homeniem
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Dude, it's widely considered to be poor etiquette to dump several random links on us without elaborating on how they fit in with your arguments.

Are you too autistic to realize this?
 
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