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The problem is that these companies don't do market research anymore
I agree with your post, except that one part.

The problem is they DO market research, but "market research" and "public relations" people are out of touch 40 somethings who learned from out of touch boomers, or they're part of the twitter clique.

They still think it works like the 1980s, where they can "control the message", that if they pay off the right people "donate to charity", post an apology, and disavow and fire the person at the centre of the shitstorm it'll go away. It doesn't work like that any more. The people complaining aren't even customers most of the time.
 
I agree with your post, except that one part.

The problem is they DO market research, but "market research" and "public relations" people are out of touch 40 somethings who learned from out of touch boomers, or they're part of the twitter clique.
To be fair, most market research people are just lazy twats who go on social media to see what's popular. The end result being that what they end up with is only what the online "influencers" see as good, not what the Average Joe sees as good. They no longer ask themselves "what is good for the customer" but instead, "what's hip on Twitter/Facebook right now?" It's obviously lazy, but I reckon that at least half these people weren't hired because they knew how the average person thinks, they're just good at BSing their way through a meeting and not shitting themselves when talking to the boss. The other half got hired because HR wanted to make sure there are enough women/POC/LGBT people in a company to make it diverse.

They still think it works like the 1980s, where they can "control the message", that if they pay off the right people "donate to charity", post an apology, and disavow and fire the person at the centre of the shitstorm it'll go away. It doesn't work like that any more. The people complaining aren't even customers most of the time.
A lot of people born in those early years, from the 80s onward, still think that the world works the way it did back in those years. They can't fathom why their kids couldn't find work during the 2010s, nor could they fathom how established brands could fail. They just grew up in a prosperous part of western history and assume things will always go the way it did back then.
 
A lot of people born in those early years, from the 80s onward, still think that the world works the way it did back in those years. They can't fathom why their kids couldn't find work during the 2010s, nor could they fathom how established brands could fail. They just grew up in a prosperous part of western history and assume things will always go the way it did back then.
Which really confuses me.

By the 1980's Detroit and Pittsburgh were shutting down. In the early 1990's logging was shut down. The market crash of 86.

The economy was in shambles, millions were out of work, prices (including gas) were jumping up and down. Factories were being sent overseas as early as the mid-80s.

For fuck's sake, there were movies about it.

People who couldn't understand why their kids couldn't find work, even as they celebrated globalism, infuriated me.
 
I agree with your post, except that one part.

The problem is they DO market research, but "market research" and "public relations" people are out of touch 40 somethings who learned from out of touch boomers, or they're part of the twitter clique.

They still think it works like the 1980s, where they can "control the message", that if they pay off the right people "donate to charity", post an apology, and disavow and fire the person at the centre of the shitstorm it'll go away. It doesn't work like that any more. The people complaining aren't even customers most of the time.
See, I don't consider that to be "market research". I don't work with marketing (thank God!) but statistics was one of my minors and market research was one of the subjects covered. What these people do isn't market research, it's just an exercise in confirmation bias and oversampling the wrong demographics. So I suppose my argument isn't that they don't do it, but that they don't do it right. Like, at all.
 
Which really confuses me.

By the 1980's Detroit and Pittsburgh were shutting down. In the early 1990's logging was shut down. The market crash of 86.

The economy was in shambles, millions were out of work, prices (including gas) were jumping up and down. Factories were being sent overseas as early as the mid-80s.

For fuck's sake, there were movies about it.

People who couldn't understand why their kids couldn't find work, even as they celebrated globalism, infuriated me.
You're talking about a crowd who thought Robocop busting perps in Detroit looked cool, instead of it being social commentary on how broken Detroit is. They even made a statue of him there, didn't they?

These people were born in an era when America was at its height. They pretty much felt like it's too big to fail. That it will never fail. They truly are that ignorant.

See, I don't consider that to be "market research". I don't work with marketing (thank God!) but statistics was one of my minors and market research was one of the subjects covered. What these people do isn't market research, it's just an exercise in confirmation bias and oversampling the wrong demographics. So I suppose my argument isn't that they don't do it, but that they don't do it right. Like, at all.
As I said, most of modern market research is just checking at what the kids in social media like now. That's why social media has a lot of undue influence in what modern corporations do nowadays. For instance, they think going woke will earn them money, since they see all the woke yahoos in social media.
 
Anyone got anything on John Wick?


"@wickedthought bullied other staff members on a daily basis, in ways that went beyond verbal abuse. He engineered whisper campaigns, made open threats behind closed doors, and would actively sabotage projects in order to make others look bad."

Is this a "it's only ok when WE do it" situation?
 
I’ve heard of a few discords like that. They are all cows and they tend to fall apart. Before discord, some would also crop on Warhammer forums, especially after an edition change, but they tend to go nowhere 99% of the time.

Those "communities" always fall apart very quickly because everybody wants to contribute but no one has the spine/autism to curate the contributions (too many cooks spoil the broth), and even if they do people are bound to kick up drama about being rejected and then go away to make their own with blackjack and hookers.

(It's like with software development. Any project without a competent Benevolent Dictator for Life is very likely to either fall into political infighting, or to splinter into a billion forks.)

Also, the people coming up with those projects always underestimate just how much work it is to write a game setting, much less design and balance a game system. They start with huge overarching ideas and their attention spans run out long before they have anything even remotely useful in their hands.
Also with larger settings like warhammer (or star trek, or star wars) people forget all those intervening decades matter a lot to the setting. If you want to 'make a new 40k' you gotta start pretty small. And then you may need a decade or two to build on it and scrape away the less cool bits. You can't really make something like 40k overnight because it's just to big. And that's only the setting, making an entirely new game system is its own project.

40k in the beginnings was very different to what it became.
 
Anyone got anything on John Wick?

John Wick, what I remember about him is he got pissy because he wasn't relevant enough to be included on a list of games rated by wokeness with green game companies and creators being non woke or anti-woke and red games and creators being as woke as can be. Of course that one list doesn't really care if the games they make are good or not, just their political views. One of the creators on the list, Darrick Dishaw, aka Venger Satanis actually did get in a bit of a slap fight with John Wick a few weeks ago. I am not sure how much John Wick qualifies for a thread at this point, but Darrick himself is very much an incompetent hack, hypocrite, and lolcow himself with quite the internet history and there is a thread on him in Prospering Grounds that is complete and we are just at this point waiting for it to be moved. feel free to have a look

edit: added the list for context.
 
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John Wick, what I remember about him is he got pissy because he wasn't relevant enough to be included on a list of games rated by wokeness with green game companies and creators being non woke or anti-woke and red games and creators being as woke as can be. Of course that one list doesn't really care if the games they make are good or not, just their political views. One of the creators on the list, Darrick Dishaw, aka Venger Satanis actually did get in a bit of a slap fight with John Wick a few weeks ago. I am not sure how much John Wick qualifies for a thread at this point, but Darrick himself is very much an incompetent hack, hypocrite, and lolcow himself with quite the internet history and there is a thread on him in Prospering Grounds that is complete and we are just at this point waiting for it to be moved. feel free to have a look

edit: added the list for context.
I like a lot of OSR products but I'm really suprised people like James Raggi, RPG Pundit, and the "BroSR" don't have pages here yet. I don't have the attention span or autism some of you fine folks have when making these pages. But someone who is smarter than me really needs to. Shit like Raggi starting out as an edgelord and then hiring a bunch of wokies. All so he could pretend to be a leftist and then acting suprised when his male feminist friends turned out to be rapists and his female friends and gf me tooed him because he took a picture next to (((Jordan Peterson))). Then you have Pundit's constant fucking drama with being autistic about what the OSR is and what "old school gaming" should be. And the BroSR are bunch of edgy christcucks who think Rules as Written is a bible and all deviants are godless heretics.
 
I like a lot of OSR products but I'm really suprised people like James Raggi, RPG Pundit, and the "BroSR" don't have pages here yet. I don't have the attention span or autism some of you fine folks have when making these pages. But someone who is smarter than me really needs to. Shit like Raggi starting out as an edgelord and then hiring a bunch of wokies. All so he could pretend to be a leftist and then acting suprised when his male feminist friends turned out to be rapists and his female friends and gf me tooed him because he took a picture next to (((Jordan Peterson))). Then you have Pundit's constant fucking drama with being autistic about what the OSR is and what "old school gaming" should be. And the BroSR are bunch of edgy christcucks who think Rules as Written is a bible and all deviants are godless heretics.
Who are BroSR?

And Raggi's rapist friends? The only one I think of is Zak and Zak was alright. It was whisper shit.
 
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Who are BroSR?

And Raggi's rapist friends? The only one I think of is Zak and I Zak was alright. It was whisper shit.
There were two sides to Zak's story. His crazy narcissistic side. And his Ex's crazy narcissistic side. Somewhere in that drug and twitter fueled delusion is the truth. Zack used his power and influence for his own gratification which may have been sexual. So did his cum-addled fuck buddy. The stories about Zack are either exaggerated or untrue. But he still did and continues to do shady male feminist shit. He's not a good person. He's doxed, blackmailed, and bullied other people.

The BroSR are exactly as I described before. A group of autists in a sub-group of the OSR. They mostly play 1E AD&D with a mentality of Rules as Written and NOTHING ELSE. Basically the will of Gygax as they see it. They get into fueds on twitter with anyone in the OSR who disagrees with them. Even though their fundamental mistake is ignoring that Gygax never played Rules as Writen. Instead doing his own weird homebrew stuff which has mostly been lost to time. All of this has produced much milk. And they all happen to be religious. Which no one cares about except for them. Because every critique of their work is either "satanists" or "cucks".

Start here for milk. Pundit makes some good points but remember his actual livelyhood is based around selling his own remixes of B/X which is at odds with retro clones who often release free versions of their books


Also this forum where more sperging happened.
 
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Pundit talks about SJW's as though they smothered his mother.
They tried to get him doxed (not that he's especially secretive about his life) and successfully fucked with him selling his books on drivethru and other venues. The outrage against one Uruguayan baby-boomer is absolutely beyond imagining.
 
I like a lot of OSR products but I'm really suprised people like James Raggi, RPG Pundit, and the "BroSR" don't have pages here yet. I don't have the attention span or autism some of you fine folks have when making these pages. But someone who is smarter than me really needs to. Shit like Raggi starting out as an edgelord and then hiring a bunch of wokies. All so he could pretend to be a leftist and then acting suprised when his male feminist friends turned out to be rapists and his female friends and gf me tooed him because he took a picture next to (((Jordan Peterson))). Then you have Pundit's constant fucking drama with being autistic about what the OSR is and what "old school gaming" should be. And the BroSR are bunch of edgy christcucks who think Rules as Written is a bible and all deviants are godless heretics.
In the Darrick Dishaw thread in Prospering Grounds, we actually have been wondering if we should make a separate community watch thread for the OSR fanboys or not since we do have this thread, but at the same time these guys are a special breed of autism so we aren't quite sure.
 
In the Darrick Dishaw thread in Prospering Grounds, we actually have been wondering if we should make a separate community watch thread for the OSR fanboys or not since we do have this thread, but at the same time these guys are a special breed of autism so we aren't quite sure.
It's just a matter of volume. If these guys produce so much milk as to overwhelm this thread, spin them off into their own thread.
 
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