Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Nobue]

You didn't answer my question.

And what new treatments are doctors in Florida doing? You've already been shown you fell for boomer Facebook memes quite a few times from me, so I am pretty skeptical on this claim as well.


No they wouldn't.


it sure as hell is. You're arrogant enough to think you know more about this shit than people who do it for a living. That's peak arrogant and narcissism.


Lol, you really are a gullible retard if you believe that Project Veritas thing. Project Veritas has been busted doctoring video footage before and takes shit way out of context. You really are a boomer, aren't you?


It's been shown that Russia is spreading anti-vax propaganda in the west. Literally. You fell for it, too. Great job, dumbass

They're using monoclonal antibody therapy--which the Biden admin is restricting to allow "equitable" access to it. Right as their situation was improving by leaps & bounds.

What part of your question about doctors did I fail to answer?

It's not arrogant to question people who you have reason to believe are lying to you. I keep mentioning Pfizer hiding unfavorable test results and bribing doctors--let's say you knew a doctor got busted taking bribes from a certain drug company, and he suggested you take one of their drugs. Would you not question why? By your logic, you'd be wrong to get a second opinion when his treatments were failing and you discovered other people with the same condition were recovering with different treatments.

Who's showing proof the Russians are doing it? I remember a few years back when some list of IP addresses being used by naughty Russia haxxors and trolls were half Tor exit nodes. China puts both put huge amounts of resources into online propaganda and cyber warfare, and they keep getting caught having ties to politicians here.

So, tell me--how can I know when to trust a whistleblower? I always hear they're all disreputable and edit their videos deceptively.

Are you getting paid to shill by somebody?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I trust scientists world-wide on an issue that they have devoted their lives to studying. If the vaccine was really dangerous, a whistleblower would go down as a hero. Unlike you, I am not arrogant, narcissistic or psychotic enough to think I know more about this than people who have devoted their lives to studying it.

Spoken like a true layman. One of the first things you learn as a lowly underling, either on your own or by your senpai in the academic research setting is to question every study you read. Scrutinize and poke holes in a study's methodology, find gaps, test for robustness etc - the exact opposite of what you say to do, which is blind trust. Not sure if that adherence to the actual scientific method is still taught in institutions since they're all pozzed these days.

 

[Israel did nothing wrong]

I am pro excluding non vaxxed people. Solely to see America become a racially segregated nation once again and to see how they try to make the optics look good in regards to it

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

They're using monoclonal antibody therapy--which the Biden admin is restricting to allow "equitable" access to it. Right as their situation was improving by leaps & bounds.

Isn't that the treatment where there's a very limited supply?

What part of your question about doctors did I fail to answer?

Let's say you get covid and have trouble breathing, are you going to the ER?

It's not arrogant to question people who you have reason to believe are lying to you. I keep mentioning Pfizer hiding unfavorable test results and bribing doctors--let's say you knew a doctor got busted taking bribes from a certain drug company, and he suggested you take one of their drugs. Would you not question why? By your logic, you'd be wrong to get a second opinion when his treatments were failing and you discovered other people with the same condition were recovering with different treatments.

You're claiming you know something they don't or are super corrupt. That's either narcissism or schizo-level delusion.

Who's showing proof the Russians are doing it? I remember a few years back when some list of IP addresses being used by naughty Russia haxxors and trolls were half Tor exit nodes. China puts both put huge amounts of resources into online propaganda and cyber warfare, and they keep getting caught having ties to politicians here.

Social media companies came out and banned Russian accounts spreading anti-vax propaganda. They want to make America weaker by encouraging anti-vaxers, and congrats, you were a gullible boomer who fell for it.

So, tell me--how can I know when to trust a whistleblower? I always hear they're all disreputable and edit their videos deceptively.

They got busted editing the crap out of their videos and not vetting their sources.

Are you getting paid to shill by somebody?

I wish.

Spoken like a true layman. One of the first things you learn as a lowly underling, either on your own or by your senpai in the academic research setting is to question every study you read. Scrutinize and poke holes in a study's methodology, find gaps, test for robustness etc - the exact opposite of what you say to do, which is blind trust. Not sure if that adherence to the actual scientific method is still taught in institutions since they're all pozzed these days.

That applies when you actually know something about the subject. No one on Kiwi Farms is qualified about this shit.

 

[Nobue]

Isn't that the treatment where there's a very limited supply?


Let's say you get covid and have trouble breathing, are you going to the ER?


You're claiming you know something they don't or are super corrupt. That's either narcissism or schizo-level delusion.


Social media companies came out and banned Russian accounts spreading anti-vax propaganda. They want to make America weaker by encouraging anti-vaxers, and congrats, you were a gullible boomer who fell for it.


They got busted editing the crap out of their videos and not vetting their sources.


I wish.


That applies when you actually know something about the subject. No one on Kiwi Farms is qualified about this shit.

It's a treatment they've been using, while many other places haven't. It suddenly became an issue when they had success.

If I was suffocating, I'd take my chances and go, since I'd die otherwise. There's a chance they'd pull some funny business, but there's a chance they'd give me actual treatment. How does this contradict what I'm saying?

I'm not saying I know better--in fact, many doctors recommend you go for a second opinion when they give you a serious diagnosis.

I've answered you--if your doctor got busted taking bribes, would you not question his advice?

Did you see Psaki mention how the White House was telling Facebook what "misinformation" they wanted taken down? Facebook's even received federal grants, and social media sites censor and ban people with certain viewpoints much more than with viewpoints the media pushes hard. Why do you trust them to tell you something different than what the federal government says? Also, fo you remember when Reddit was banning posts about Tiananmen Square after a company with ties to the Chinese government bought them?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

That applies when you actually know something about the subject. No one on Kiwi Farms is qualified about this shit.

Can't learn without diving headfirst and reading the literature. It's not like scientists out there were born with all the foundational knowledge they needed to do their job. You can speak for yourself regarding lack of qualifications but don't project your insecurities and knowledge gaps on others you don't know.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Hey, remember when doctors and nurses endangered thousands of people by supporting massive protests during a deadly pandemic of a blood disease that is airborne for virtue points. Good times.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It's a treatment they've been using, while many other places haven't. It suddenly became an issue when they had success.

There's limited supply of it, though. It does work, though, I will admit that, but when there's a limited supply, it should be spread out more.

If I was suffocating, I'd take my chances and go, since I'd die otherwise. There's a chance they'd pull some funny business, but there's a chance they'd give me actual treatment. How does this contradict what I'm saying?

So you do trust doctors when your life depends on it, but you don't when you can act sanctimonious on the internet about not trusting them about a vaccine. Why would you go to them when your life depends on it when you don't trust them?

I'm not saying I know better--in fact, many doctors recommend you go for a second opinion when they give you a serious diagnosis.

You are saying you know better, despite what you claim.

I've answered you--if your doctor got busted taking bribes, would you not question his advice?

I'd switch doctors, but 99% of doctors aren't taking bribes. You somehow think 99% of doctors can be corrupted easier than the 1% can.

Did you see Psaki mention how the White House was telling Facebook what "misinformation" they wanted taken down? Facebook's even received federal grants, and social media sites censor and ban people with certain viewpoints much more than with viewpoints the media pushes hard. Why do you trust them to tell you something different than what the federal government says? Also, fo you remember when Reddit was banning posts about Tiananmen Square after a company with ties to the Chinese government bought them?

They want dangerous anti-vax propaganda taking off because gullible retards like you believe it and spread it.

Can't learn without diving headfirst and reading the literature. It's not like scientists out there were born with all the foundational knowledge they needed to do their job. You can speak for yourself regarding lack of qualifications but don't project your insecurities and knowledge gaps on others you don't know.

There's a difference if you're going into the field to try and learn it, but no one on Kiwi Farms is qualified to go through the studies and interpret what they say on their own.

 

[Nobue]

There's limited supply of it, though. It does work, though, I will admit that, but when there's a limited supply, it should be spread out more.


So you do trust doctors when your life depends on it, but you don't when you can act sanctimonious on the internet about not trusting them about a vaccine. Why would you go to them when your life depends on it when you don't trust them?


You are saying you know better, despite what you claim.


I'd switch doctors, but 99% of doctors aren't taking bribes. You somehow think 99% of doctors can be corrupted easier than the 1% can.


They want dangerous anti-vax propaganda taking off because gullible retards like you believe it and spread it.


There's a difference if you're going into the field to try and learn it, but no one on Kiwi Farms is qualified to go through the studies and interpret what they say on their own.

If very few places are using it, why do that?

I just explained why I'd go to them in that situation. You're just playing dumb and pretending I didn't answer your question. I've explained why I'm hesitant on this issue, and explained why I question how many actually support it. Keep up.

How am I saying I know better? Like you said, you'd question your doctor if you had a reason to. Why do you get to do that, but we all have to consume the corporate product the State wants us to?

You didn't answer me. Why do you believe social media when they've become an unofficial branch of the government, and parrot back whatever the State says?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

If very few places are using it, why do that?

More places may want to try it but don't have the supply.

I just explained why I'd go to them in that situation. You're just playing dumb and pretending I didn't answer your question. I've explained why I'm hesitant on this issue, and explained why I question how many actually support it. Keep up.

How am I saying I know better? Like you said, you'd question your doctor if you had a reason to. Why do you get to do that, but we all have to consume the corporate product the State wants us to?

You are claiming 99% of doctors are corrupt, so thus, you must know better than they do. Why even go to them since you apparently know more than them and don't trust them anyway? Or is it you do trust them but are just an anti-vax spaz who fell for Russian propaganda?

You didn't answer me. Why do you believe social media when they've become an unofficial branch of the government, and parrot back whatever the State says?

They aren't, though. Anti-vax propaganda has been shown to be harmful. If they were really an unofficial part of the government, they wouldn't have allowed those Russian anti-vax bots to operate in the first place.

 

[Nobue]

More places may want to try it but don't have the supply.

You are claiming 99% of doctors are corrupt, so thus, you must know better than they do. Why even go to them since you apparently know more than them and don't trust them anyway? Or is it you do trust them but are just an anti-vax spaz who fell for Russian propaganda?


They aren't, though. Anti-vax propaganda has been shown to be harmful. If they were really an unofficial part of the government, they wouldn't have allowed those Russian anti-vax bots to operate in the first place.

Their money's just as good as Florida's--why weren't they already doing it, and why weren't supplies restricted until Biden started tardraging as they kept doing better?

That number again? Where did I say 99% of doctors were corrupt? I keep saying a lot of them are being coerced. If some officials demanded bribes to let someone stay in business, would their victim be corrupt for paying up?

The Feds can't stop much from happening-- plenty of things they don't like do, so that argument makes no sense.

You're also supporting the State silencing viewpoints they don't like. Remember when people badmouthing lockdowns were getting censored, and turned out to be right? I'm really starting to wonder if you're some sort of shill. Remember how China wouldn't tell us about COVID until there was no choice but to? And got the WHO to cover for them? I think all the pro-COVID restriction and vaxxx crowd fell for Chinese propaganda. Remember how it was misinformation to even say COVID came from a lab there? Research at a lab Fauci was giving money to that was researching coronaviruses?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Their money's just as good as Florida's--why weren't they already doing it, and why weren't supplies restricted until Biden started tardraging as they kept doing better?

It's always been known to work, but again, it's in short supply. I know you guys think everything is a vast conspiracy, but it's really not.

That number again? Where did I say 99% of doctors were corrupt? I keep saying a lot of them are being coerced. If some officials demanded bribes to let someone stay in business, would their victim be corrupt for paying up?

You are saying they are corrupt, though. You're saying they know the vaccine is going to kill everyone, yet they still got it and their families still got it because they're afraid of the repercussions from the NWO or Deep State or whatever.

The Feds can't stop much from happening-- plenty of things they don't like do, so that argument makes no sense.

You claim the feds are behind this vast conspiracy to push an unsafe vaccine. Somehow the feds are unpowerful and powerful at the same time? I guess whatever fits whatever schizo conspiracy you're sperging about, right?

You're also supporting the State silencing viewpoints they don't like. Remember when people badmouthing lockdowns were getting censored, and turned out to be right?

How was it right? The lockdowns did save lives.

I'm really starting to wonder if you're some sort of shill.

I think you're a paid Russian anti-vax propagandist. How's Russia, comrade?

Remember how China wouldn't tell us about COVID until there was no choice but to? And got the WHO to cover for them? I think all the pro-COVID restriction and vaxxx crowd fell for Chinese propaganda. Remember how it was misinformation to even say COVID came from a lab there? Research at a lab Fauci was giving money to that was researching coronaviruses?

Oh boy, you believe that whole "Covid came from a lab" shit? You are really a gullible retard that believes everything he reads on the internet. You're seriously like a boomer. Is it autism? Or is it spending too much time reading posts from schizophrenic retards?

The scientists said they couldn't disprove that the virus came from a lab (because how the hell could they?), and you schizo conspiracy tards took that to mean that it came from a lab. It doesn't mean that at all.

 

[timewave0]

More places may want to try it but don't have the supply.

You are claiming 99% of doctors are corrupt, so thus, you must know better than they do. Why even go to them since you apparently know more than them and don't trust them anyway? Or is it you do trust them but are just an anti-vax spaz who fell for Russian propaganda?


They aren't, though. Anti-vax propaganda has been shown to be harmful. If they were really an unofficial part of the government, they wouldn't have allowed those Russian anti-vax bots to operate in the first place.

I don’t think 99% of doctors are corrupt, but I do think there is a lot of cowardice in the medical profession right now. Career and reputational concerns outweighing patient care. I’m sure the majority of doctors today would say that a man can become a woman, whether out of genuine belief or just fear of reprisal from the trans dogmatists. That doesn’t mean it’s true.

In the case of early multi-drug treatment protocols, there are enough reputable doctors sharing anecdotal accounts of efficacy + reputable studies to suggest that further investigation is warranted. In emergent situations like a pandemic, research often lags behind clinical practice out of sheer necessity. Sometimes you just don’t have the option of waiting. The protocol right now is to leave people alone to suffer until they’re so sick that they require mechanical ventilation. That isn’t really a protocol at all, it’s an abdication of responsibility.

If this was all really about health, we would see far more emphasis placed on things like diet, exercise, sun exposure for Vit D, and so on. I’m not arguing for or against the vaccine here, but I am suspicious of the motives driving government & media actions in response to the pandemic. If pharmaceutical giants, the media, and the government cannot be relied upon to act righteously in normal circumstances, it’s an absurd leap of faith to assume they will act righteously during a crisis. I said earlier in this thread that I don’t think the vaccine is particularly dangerous, but I’m still wary of all the rhetoric that surrounds this issue right now.

For instance, the media right now publishes all these stories like “35 year old anti-vaxxer dies of COVID” with undisguised glee, but you’ll never see “Fatty McFatFuck, health-at-any-size advocate, refuses diet & dies a fatty fatass.” The goal is to foster animosity and collect their hateclick ad bucks. People are disappointed the pandemic isn’t over yet, so the media + government seek to directs all the blame & anger onto the unvaccinated, even when we know that countries like Israel with high vaccination rates are still getting hit. Now plebbitors and other radical progressive brainlets are saying hospitals should deny treatment to all unvaccinated people… yet they would never say the same for a smoker, or for an obese person, or even for a drunk driver who causes a collision. Hell, we even treat the injuries of people who commit horrible crimes. This should make everybody with a conscience very uncomfortable.

Spoiler: an aside

science and medicine unfortunately do not exist in a vacuum. They are subject to external pressures. A good example I’ve already mentioned is the proliferation of trans dogma in medicine. Absent social pressure, I sincerely doubt that doctors would have chosen to provide treatments that brazenly violate their oath. There is no good scientific evidence to support the belief that a fucking toddler can know he’s the wrong gender. Exacerbating this problem is the fact that researchers are reliant upon funding grants to perform their work in the first place, then journals for publicizing their findings. Ideologues can shape the available body of scientific evidence by funding or not funding certain research, publishing it or not publishing it. Do you think anyone is going to get a grant to study non-affirming treatments for gender dysphoria these days?

If pharma companies want to blackball certain treatments for COVID they have all the tools necessary to do so — financial sway, an army of lobbyists, drug reps, and PR people. That’s scary regardless of whether the vaccine works. Forgive the meandering post

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I don’t think 99% of doctors are corrupt, but I do think there is a lot of cowardice in the medical profession right now. Career and reputational concerns outweighing patient care.

Apparently you do because you guys claim they know these vaccines are unsafe but still got them themselves and push for them.

In the case of early multi-drug treatment protocols, there are enough reputable doctors sharing anecdotal accounts of efficacy + reputable studies to suggest that further investigation is warranted. In emergent situations like a pandemic, research often lags behind clinical practice out of sheer necessity. Sometimes you just don’t have the option of waiting. The protocol right now is to leave people alone to suffer until they’re so sick that they require mechanical ventilation. That isn’t really a protocol at all, it’s an abdication of responsibility.

i'd love it if ivermectin or HCQ or whatever works, but they haven't been shown to work except in flawed studies. You don't just go giving people random drugs and hope they work. That's deeply irresponsible.

If this was all really about health, we would see far more emphasis placed on things like diet, exercise, sun exposure for Vit D, and so on. I’m not arguing for or against the vaccine here, but I am suspicious of the motives driving government & media actions in response to the pandemic. If pharmaceutical giants, the media, and the government cannot be relied upon to act righteously in normal circumstances, it’s an absurd leap of faith to assume they will act righteously during a crisis.

Nah, people already know diet, exercise, etc... are healthy but they don't do it.

this is a bit of an aside, but the media right now publishes all these stories like “35 year old anti-vaxxer dies of COVID” with undisguised glee, but you’ll never see “Fatty McFatFuck, health-at-any-size advocate, refuses diet & dies a fatty fatass.”

Someone being a fat fuck doesn't affect me. Being obese isn't contagious.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

LOL NO. At least, not any of the ones being offered right now. I don't trust any of them, especially Pfizer. If I AM gonna get jabbed, I'll wait until the more traditional Novavax vaccine comes out.

 

[Nobue]

It's always been known to work, but again, it's in short supply. I know you guys think everything is a vast conspiracy, but it's really not.


You are saying they are corrupt, though. You're saying they know the vaccine is going to kill everyone, yet they still got it and their families still got it because they're afraid of the repercussions from the NWO or Deep State or whatever.


You claim the feds are behind this vast conspiracy to push an unsafe vaccine. Somehow the feds are unpowerful and powerful at the same time? I guess whatever fits whatever schizo conspiracy you're sperging about, right?


How was it right? The lockdowns did save lives.

I think you're a paid Russian anti-vax propagandist. How's Russia, comrade?

Oh boy, you believe that whole "Covid came from a lab" shit? You are really a gullible retard that believes everything he reads on the internet. You're seriously like a boomer. Is it autism? Or is it spending too much time reading posts from schizophrenic retards?

The scientists said they couldn't disprove that the virus came from a lab (because how the hell could they?), and you schizo conspiracy tards took that to mean that it came from a lab. It doesn't mean that at all.

Even WHO has admitted lockdowns did more harm than good. As for tat treatment always being known to work, that's a lie and you know it, shill.

How is the government pushing for something and not getting everything they want mean they're not doing just that? That gotcha isn't very good--it makes no sense.

Yes, COVID just happened to pop up outside a lab that was doing experiments on just that sort of thing. It's far flung to think it may have come from China, who's lied every step of the way, and gotten even the WHO to protect them. Remember how our own government did little to refute China's claims it came from here?

How am I saying the doctors being coerced are corrupt? If someone robbed a bank, would the teller be a thief because they handed over the money?

The way you're saying it would kill EVERYONE is a manipulative rhetorical trick. Where did I say it would kill everyone? I said the people pushing this on everyone only cared about making money, and didn't care if a bunch of people were harmed. You're taking the basic principle behind something I said and extending it to the most ridiculous place possible to make my arguments easier to dismiss.

 

[timewave0]

Apparently you do because you guys claim they know these vaccines are unsafe but still got them themselves and push for them.


i'd love it if ivermectin or HCQ or whatever works, but they haven't been shown to work except in flawed studies. You don't just go giving people random drugs and hope they work. That's deeply irresponsible.


Nah, people already know diet, exercise, etc... are healthy but they don't do it.


Someone being a fat fuck doesn't affect me. Being obese isn't contagious.

If you’re vaccinated and the vaccine is effective, then presumably it wouldn’t matter if someone around you isn’t vaccinated. Instead the argument usually has to do with people taking up resources — hospital beds, man hours, being a general burden on the system. Obesity and smoking are a burden on the system in the same way. The same arguments that are being applied for denying medical care to the unvaccinated necessarily apply to smokers, drunk drivers, and fat people as well.

re: ivermectin, what motive would a pharmaceutical company have to fund a large scale study? As I understand it, they can’t really make much money off of it. So why bother? They aren’t altruists. Also, the doctors who promote early treatment claim that the drugs in isolation are not as effective vs when used in multi-drug therapy. That can make the research a bit trickier. The official NIH stance is that more research is required, but the media stance is “lmao horse dewormer, what retards” as if off-label use of drugs is suddenly a big scandal.

Spoiler: For example

Ketamine was primarily used as a horse tranquilizer, then it became a popular club drug. Now it’s used for treatment-refractory depression. Would it be wise to dismiss it as le horse tranquilizer?

N-acetyl cysteine is an interesting case. Phase two clinical trials kicked off recently to investigate its use for COVID. At the same exact time, the FDA began cracking down on sales of NAC by supplement companies, arguing that it ought to be regulated as a drug. They’re sending out warning letters demanding people take it off their shelves + it has been removed from Amazon. NAC is safe and widely used. Awfully interesting timing isn’t it? My previous post was a lot longer than I planned so I don’t expect anyone to read it, but in the spoiler at the end I tried to describe my concerns about the research establishment

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

If you’re vaccinated and the vaccine is effective, then presumably it wouldn’t matter if someone around you isn’t vaccinated.

We've been over this before. The vaccine isn't 100% effective and the more people who get covid, the more it can mutate.

Even WHO has admitted lockdowns did more harm than good. As for tat treatment always being known to work, that's a lie and you know it, shill.

Uh huh. Nice try, Russian shill. how's vladimir putin doing?

How is the government pushing for something and not getting everything they want mean they're not doing just that? That gotcha isn't very good--it makes no sense.

What?

Yes, COVID just happened to pop up outside a lab that was doing experiments on just that sort of thing. It's far flung to think it may have come from China, who's lied every step of the way, and gotten even the WHO to protect them. Remember how our own government did little to refute China's claims it came from here?

Or, ya know, it came from bats, which are reservoirs for viruses pretty often. Wuhan may not even be where it originated (there's some reports saying it was already in the US as of September 2019). I know you conspiracy nutjobs believe everything you read online because you're autistic and/or boomers, but man, we aren't sure where it came from and probably never will be.

How am I saying the doctors being coerced are corrupt? If someone robbed a bank, would the teller be a thief because they handed over the money?

Yes? They'd be putting their patients in danger. I know you think doctors are evil like a good right-winger, but come on now. Everyone knows that there's no way 99% of doctors world-wide would keep silent about this. That's way too many people.

The way you're saying it would kill EVERYONE is a manipulative rhetorical trick. Where did I say it would kill everyone? I said the people pushing this on everyone only cared about making money, and didn't care if a bunch of people were harmed. You're taking the basic principle behind something I said and extending it to the most ridiculous place possible to make my arguments easier to dismiss.

You anti-vaxers seem to think the vaccine is pretty dangerous, and maybe not everyone, but you sure think the vaccine is going to kill a lot of people who take it. Or you're one of those spazes who thinks that the vaccine is already killing tons of people and the media is covering it up. You can't be rational with people like you because you believe anything you read on the internet. Even when I showed you how you were wrong, you just double down on it because you're a gullible anti-vax spaz with a boomer mentality. A rational person would think, "Gee, the stuff I posted was false, maybe I should stop believing shit my fellow anti-vax schizos from /pol/ tell me", but nope, not you.

 

[Nobue]

We've been over this before. The vaccine isn't 100% effective and the more people who get covid, the more it can mutate.


Uh huh. Nice try, Russian shill. how's vladimir putin doing?

What?

Or, ya know, it came from bats, which are reservoirs for viruses pretty often. Wuhan may not even be where it originated (there's some reports saying it was already in the US as of September 2019). I know you conspiracy nutjobs believe everything you read online because you're autistic and/or boomers, but man, we aren't sure where it came from and probably never will be.


Yes? They'd be putting their patients in danger. I know you think doctors are evil like a good right-winger, but come on now. Everyone knows that there's no way 99% of doctors world-wide would keep silent about this. That's way too many people.


You anti-vaxers seem to think the vaccine is pretty dangerous, and maybe not everyone, but you sure think the vaccine is going to kill a lot of people who take it. Or you're one of those spazes who thinks that the vaccine is already killing tons of people and the media is covering it up. You can't be rational with people like you because you believe anything you read on the internet. Even when I showed you how you were wrong, you just double down on it because you're a gullible anti-vax spaz with a boomer mentality. A rational person would think, "Gee, the stuff I posted was false, maybe I should stop believing shit my fellow anti-vax schizos from /pol/ tell me", but nope, not you.

I'm not posting false info--but you sure keep posting China-friendly misinformation yourself.

There are already studies into why heart issues are suddenly becoming more common, so some doctors must be saying something. However, people like you don't hear about it. Why? The media doesn't like to draw attention to it, and smears anyone who gets too much attention for it.

Oddly enough, the mutations took off as vaccines became more common. Why shouldn't I be skeptical? Even if the vaccines aren't perfect, I'd expect some improvement, but, just like with masks, we need more and more people doing it every time we hit the point it's supposed to start working.

What have you proven to me? You consistently refuse to back up what you're saying, call any critics of those claims Russian, and ignore the shady things the institutions behind this have done. Considering the claims COVID started here came AFTER China started getting the WHO to ignore what a mess they had at home, I've got to be suspicious.

Basically, you spout the slogans you see on TV and blame the bogeymen you're told to.

 

[Nobue]

I'm not posting false info--but you sure keep posting China-friendly misinformation yourself.

There are already studies into why heart issues are suddenly becoming more common, so some doctors must be saying something. However, people like you don't hear about it. Why? The media doesn't like to draw attention to it, and smears anyone who gets too much attention for it.

Oddly enough, the mutations took off as vaccines became more common. Why shouldn't I be skeptical? Even if the vaccines aren't perfect, I'd expect some improvement, but, just like with masks, we need more and more people doing it every time we hit the point it's supposed to start working.

What have you proven to me? You consistently refuse to back up what you're saying, call any critics of those claims Russian, and ignore the shady things the institutions behind this have done. Considering the claims COVID started here came AFTER China started getting the WHO to ignore what a mess they had at home, I've got to be suspicious.

Basically, you spout the slogans you see on TV and blame the bogeymen you're told to.