Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Car Won't Crank]

There's a difference if you're going into the field to try and learn it, but no one on Kiwi Farms is qualified to go through the studies and interpret what they say on their own.

Qualified or not, anyone who's willing to go forth and read the material, learn any ancillary subjects pertaining to it, and effectively communicate their thoughts and interpretations to others should be able to without issue. Because you're unwilling to do that does not mean you should lambaste others who do want to.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm not posting false info--but you sure keep posting China-friendly misinformation yourself.

You sure are. You're falling hook, line and sinker for Russian anti-vax propaganda, despite me informing you that it is as such. Only explanation is that you're a Russian agent.

There are already studies into why heart issues are suddenly becoming more common, so some doctors must be saying something. However, people like you don't hear about it. Why? The media doesn't like to draw attention to it, and smears anyone who gets too much attention for it.

But I thought doctors were corrupt? Now you're trusting them? Heart issues are a bit more common, but slightly more so, but I notice you now believe doctors because you want the vaccine to fail.

Oddly enough, the mutations took off as vaccines became more common. Why shouldn't I be skeptical? Even if the vaccines aren't perfect, I'd expect some improvement, but, just like with masks, we need more and more people doing it every time we hit the point it's supposed to start working.

No they didn't. It was just not as noticeable because there was no vaccine to prevent people from getting it.

What have you proven to me? You consistently refuse to back up what you're saying, call any critics of those claims Russian, and ignore the shady things the institutions behind this have done. Considering the claims COVID started here came AFTER China started getting the WHO to ignore what a mess they had at home, I've got to be suspicious.

I've showed you your claims are wrong. Like the "FRENCH DOCTOR ARRESTED FOR PRESCRIBING IVERMECTIN!" (turns out he was arrested for assault). And "FDA OFFICIALS RESIGNED BECAUSE VACCINES ARE DANGEROUS!" (they resigned for the opposite reason).

Basically, you spout the slogans you see on TV and blame the bogeymen you're told to.

And you're a gullible retard who falls for anti-vax Russian propaganda. Why do you want the vaccine to fail, anyway?

Qualified or not, anyone who's willing to go forth and read the material, learn any ancillary subjects pertaining to it, and effectively communicate their thoughts and interpretations to others should be able to without issue. Because you're unwilling to do that does not mean you should lambaste others who do want to.

Except if you're unqualified, you don't know what the hell the materials are saying. It's like saying you could build a space shuttle if you read the instructions manual... no you couldn't.

 

[Nobue]

You sure are. You're falling hook, line and sinker for Russian anti-vax propaganda, despite me informing you that it is as such. Only explanation is that you're a Russian agent.

But I thought doctors were corrupt? Now you're trusting them? Heart issues are a bit more common, but slightly more so, but I notice you now believe doctors because you want the vaccine to fail.


No they didn't. It was just not as noticeable because there was no vaccine to prevent people from getting it.


I've showed you your claims are wrong. Like the "FRENCH DOCTOR ARRESTED FOR PRESCRIBING IVERMECTIN!" (turns out he was arrested for assault). And "FDA OFFICIALS RESIGNED BECAUSE VACCINES ARE DANGEROUS!" (they resigned for the opposite reason).


And you're a gullible retard who falls for anti-vax Russian propaganda. Why do you want the vaccine to fail, anyway?


Except if you're unqualified, you don't know what the hell the materials are saying. It's like saying you could build a space shuttle if you read the instructions manual... no you couldn't.

I've said doctors are being coerced into supporting this, and said anyone going against the narrative is ignored or smeared. I have not stopped saying that--your constant claims I claimed they were all corrupt is an attempt by you to paint what I've written as something it's not so that you can dismiss it offhand. You want me to say not one can ever be trusted so I can't point of that some are acknowledging problems as they become undeniable.

You mentioned ONE thing I might have been wrong about. You never showed us how 99% of doctors support anything, or how secret Russians are convincing us not to get jabbed while trying to do a vaccine passport of their own.

We'd have been told all about the variants if they were common then--this non-stop fear porn that's being used against us wouldn't have ignored them.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Except if you're unqualified, you don't know what the hell the materials are saying. It's like saying you could build a space shuttle if you read the instructions manual... no you couldn't.

You're far too ridged in your thinking. Anyone who demonstrates their competence in whatever area has some degree of qualification. The various certification processes simply formalize that. That being said, there are many who hold various "qualifications" who suck at their jobs. I know of instances where certified auto mechanics, who would be qualified in your eyes, are unable to properly diagnose an issue with someone's car but an enthusiast hobbyist who knows that particular car can in a cinch.

Either way in this case with scientific research, anyone can read and talk about it. The whole point of reading and learning is to understand what the authors are saying. This is not an arcane process that requires stacks of diplomas. You should actually try reading some papers. Maybe that will change your mind.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

Nice try, Russian shill

Ad Hominem that's older than Biden.

You anti-vaxers

Strawman that's specifically conflating opposition to the new vaccines with opposition to all vaccines.

99% of doctors world-wide

Repeatedly appealing to an authority while disclaiming any authority brought up that doesn't agree with your position.

@Nobue You have far more patience than I do.

 

[Nobue]

Ad Hominem that's older than Biden.

Strawman that's specifically conflating opposition to the new vaccines with opposition to all vaccines.

Repeatedly appealing to an authority while disclaiming any authority brought up that doesn't agree with your position.

@Nobue You have far more patience than I do.

I'm on never-ending phone meetings today, lol

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I've said doctors are being coerced into supporting this, and said anyone going against the narrative is ignored or smeared. I have not stopped saying that--your constant claims I claimed they were all corrupt is an attempt by you to paint what I've written as something it's not so that you can dismiss it offhand. You want me to say not one can ever be trusted so I can't point of that some are acknowledging problems as they become undeniable.

If they're able to be coerced so easily, then they're corrupt. You don't trust 99% of doctors and claim they're corrupt. There's no reasoning with someone like you because you believe every schizo delusion on the internet instead of actual facts.

You mentioned ONE thing I might have been wrong about. You never showed us how 99% of doctors support anything, or how secret Russians are convincing us not to get jabbed while trying to do a vaccine passport of their own.

I mentioned several things and the other link showed it was 96%. Yet you still refuse to believe that maybe, just maybe, posts on 4chan aren't things you should take seriously. That's how we got QAnoners.

Russians are indeed fueling anti-vax propaganda:

WSJ News Exclusive | Russian Disinformation Campaign Aims to Undermine Confidence in Pfizer, Other Covid-19 Vaccines, U.S. Officials Say

Russian intelligence agencies are trying to undermine confidence in Pfizer’s and other Western coronavirus vaccines, using online publications that have questioned the vaccines’ development and safety, U.S. officials said.

www.wsj.com

https://medecon.org/russias-anti-vaccine-propaganda-is-tantamount-to-a-declaration-of-war/
Now will you admit you're an easily persuaded spaz who needs to develop critical thinking and stop believing everything you read on 4chan?

We'd have been told all about the variants if they were common then--this non-stop fear porn that's being used against us wouldn't have ignored them.

No we wouldn't have and there was variants before the vaccine, too. It was just not as important because there was no vaccine to worry about them becoming resistant to.

Ad Hominem that's older than Biden.

He started it by calling me a paid shill. Now I am saying he's a Russian anti-vax paid shill. It is the only explanation why he just doubles down after I prove his claims wrong. It's okay when he does it, though, right? Gotta support your fellow anti-vax spazes

Strawman that's specifically conflating opposition to the new vaccines with opposition to all vaccines.

Except you anti-vax spazes are using the exact same arguments they do.

Repeatedly appealing to an authority while disclaiming any authority brought up that doesn't agree with your position.

So you agree that demon sperm is the cause of all disease? Wow, I know you were a tard but that's a new low.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

He started it by calling me a paid shill. Now I am saying he's a Russian anti-vax paid shill. It's okay when he does it, though, right? Gotta support your fellow anti-vax spazes

I don't believe you.

Except you anti-vax spazes are using the exact same arguments they do.

I have yet to hear anyone claim the Covid vaccines cause autism.

So you agree that demon sperm is the cause of all disease? Wow, I know you were a tard but that's a new low.

Yes, you degenerate filth. Go suck more demon cock until you get syphilis.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Does sucking demon cock count as erotic role-playing or fanfiction?

 

[Nobue]

If they're able to be coerced so easily, then they're corrupt. You don't trust 99% of doctors and claim they're corrupt. There's no reasoning with someone like you because you believe every schizo delusion on the internet instead of actual facts.

I mentioned several things and the other link showed it was 96%. Yet you still refuse to believe that maybe, just maybe, posts on 4chan aren't things you should take seriously. That's how we got QAnoners.

Russians are indeed fueling anti-vax propaganda:

WSJ News Exclusive | Russian Disinformation Campaign Aims to Undermine Confidence in Pfizer, Other Covid-19 Vaccines, U.S. Officials Say

Russian intelligence agencies are trying to undermine confidence in Pfizer’s and other Western coronavirus vaccines, using online publications that have questioned the vaccines’ development and safety, U.S. officials said.

www.wsj.com

https://medecon.org/russias-anti-vaccine-propaganda-is-tantamount-to-a-declaration-of-war/
Now will you admit you're an easily persuaded spaz who needs to develop critical thinking and stop believing everything you read on 4chan?

No we wouldn't have and there was variants before the vaccine, too. It was just not as important because there was no vaccine to worry about them becoming resistant to.

What's your obsession with 99%? Is this like the #believewomen spergs crowing about muh 2%?

So, when do these articles and links tell us how they know they're Russians doing this? The NIH one is just telling me, "Just trust me, bro."

Let's say this Russia hysteria is actually true in this situation--you don't think people would be skeptical about a huge, unified push by every institution of power in the West to get them to take a rushed vaccine? This shows you feel smarter than everyone because you parrot back everything you're told to for Good Boy Points. You guys keep acknowledging all the problems we're concerned about, but constantly insisting a bit too much that they're rare to the point of being nonexistent. We're skeptical without propaganda because we have good reason to be skeptical, and the nonstop corporatist propaganda and genocidal efforts of the elites to force it on us only makes us more skeptical.

You can't consider the possibility that we're not listening to Russian propaganda because you assume we're doing like you, and mindlessly believing whatever you're told to.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I don't believe you.

You can admit the Hulkster was right as usual:

I'm really starting to wonder if you're some sort of shill.

Even WHO has admitted lockdowns did more harm than good. As for tat treatment always being known to work, that's a lie and you know it, shill.

I have yet to hear anyone claim the Covid vaccines cause autism.

No but you guys claim it'll kill everyone who takes it and is way more dangerous than covid.

Yes, you degenerate filth. Go suck more demon cock until you get syphilis.

That shouldn't surprise me.

What's your obsession with 99%? Is this like the #believewomen spergs crowing about muh 2%?

It's a pretty close approximation. Would you feel better if I used 96% instead? Does your crippling autism not handle my number being 3% off the other link?

So, when do these articles and links tell us how they know they're Russians doing this? The NIH one is just telling me, "Just trust me, bro."

There's also reports of Facebook banning Russian anti-vax pages, etc... Face it, you fell for Russian propaganda. For a bunch of "critical thinkers", you guys sure believe everything you read off the internet written by any spaz.

Let's say this Russia hysteria is actually true in this situation--you don't think people would be skeptical about a huge, unified push by every institution of power in the West to get them to take a rushed vaccine? This shows you feel smarter than everyone because you parrot back everything you're told to for Good Boy Points. You guys keep acknowledging all the problems we're concerned about, but constantly insisting a bit too much that they're rare to the point of being nonexistent. We're skeptical without propaganda because we have good reason to be skeptical, and the nonstop corporatist propaganda and genocidal efforts of the elites to force it on us only makes us more skeptical.

You still fell for Russian anti-vax propaganda because you're a gullible retard who believes everything you read on Facebook just like a boomer.

You can't consider the possibility that we're not listening to Russian propaganda because you assume we're doing like you, and mindlessly believing whatever you're told to.

You sure are. You believe the conspiracy shit they push. Congrats, you're a gullible retard just like the others.

 

[Nobue]

You can admit the Hulkster was right as usual:







No but you guys claim it'll kill everyone who takes it and is way more dangerous than covid.


That shouldn't surprise me.


It's a pretty close approximation. Would you feel better if I used 96% instead? Does your crippling autism not handle my number being 3% off the other link?


There's also reports of Facebook banning Russian anti-vax pages, etc... Face it, you fell for Russian propaganda. For a bunch of "critical thinkers", you guys sure believe everything you read off the internet written by any spaz.


You still fell for Russian anti-vax propaganda because you're a gullible retard who believes everything you read on Facebook just like a boomer.


You sure are. You believe the conspiracy shit they push. Congrats, you're a gullible retard just like the others.

Jesus, dude, do you really think you're convincing me you're not a shill or swayed by them when you keep using the same manipulative techniques and spouting the same slogans and accusations at us that they use?

I mentioned how the White House has admitted Facebook's censoring on their behalf. Why would I trust their claims the posts they're removing were by their favorite foreign scapegoat? Two decades ago it would've been Islamic extremists making these posts.

Why not address my last post? I've told you exactly why we're skeptical-- could we only be skeptical if we were told to be, or are you exposing how you really think through projection?

 

[Brett DeLawyer]

Don’t think it’s much of a PL because nobody in my life knows any of this and never will. There’s nowhere else I can complain about this. I waited on the vaccine thus far because I wasn’t sure about the fertility impacts, as we were ttc with already existing infertility problems, and I didn’t want to pile on.

By some miracle, I am pregnant. My doctor has told me I -have- to get the vaccine during the pregnancy. The options given to me were “get the vaccine now, and take Tylenol to keep the fever down” (aka the fever that could kill or deform my baby,) or “wait until the 2nd trimester and get it then.” I was told it was “proven perfectly safe for pregnant women and their babies beyond the shadow of a doubt” (a lie,) and that if I get Covid (that I already had once in March 2020 and came through fine with zero medical attention,) that I WILL die and leave my baby without a mother.

I am not at high risk of getting Covid. I do not work with the public. If I go out, I wear an N95 like a mega cuck. My vaccinated husband runs the errands, also as a mask cuck, just in case. I am a very isolated introvert, I like it that way, and was like this well before rona disrupted the normies routines. My doctor knows all of this, and is still trying to emotionally blackmail me into getting the vaccine. This is what pregnant women during a very vulnerable time are being told by medical professionals they are supposed to trust. I am being referred to as “vaccine hesitant” because I don’t want my heart to pop or a fever to cook my unborn child.

I’m not an anti-vax person, I’m a “don’t use my baby as a guinea pig and lie to me about it” person.

I am looking for another doctor.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Don’t think it’s much of a PL because nobody in my life knows any of this and never will. There’s nowhere else I can complain about this. I waited on the vaccine thus far because I wasn’t sure about the fertility impacts, as we were ttc with already existing infertility problems, and I didn’t want to pile on.

By some miracle, I am pregnant. My doctor has told me I -have- to get the vaccine during the pregnancy. The options given to me were “get the vaccine now, and take Tylenol to keep the fever down” (aka the fever that could kill or deform my baby,) or “wait until the 2nd trimester and get it then.” I was told it was “proven perfectly safe for pregnant women and their babies beyond the shadow of a doubt” (a lie,) and that if I get Covid (that I already had once in March 2020 and came through fine with zero medical attention,) that I WILL die and leave my baby without a mother.

I am not at high risk of getting Covid. I do not work with the public. If I go out, I wear an N95 like a mega cuck. My vaccinated husband runs the errands, also as a mask cuck, just in case. I am a very isolated introvert, I like it that way, and was like this well before rona disrupted the normies routines. My doctor knows all of this, and is still trying to emotionally blackmail me into getting the vaccine. This is what pregnant women during a very vulnerable time are being told by medical professionals they are supposed to trust. I am being referred to as “vaccine hesitant” because I don’t want my heart to pop or a fever to cook my unborn child.

I’m not an anti-vax person, I’m a “don’t use my baby as a guinea pig and lie to me about it” person.

I am looking for another doctor.

They tried the same thing with my wife when she went to the obgyn. If baby 1 managed to be born without any complications then im sure baby 2 will be just the same (Irish twins). There's a crazy amount of signs around the clinic to get the vax while pregnant even though most people in the pre-covid times said not to get vaccines while pregnant. To be fair that wisdom applied to vaccines with live viruses, not sure how it fares with mRNA in the covid but unlike other faggots i don't pretend to be a doctor on the internet.

Do what you think is best don't let them pressure you.Congrats and stay safe! Welcome to parenthood

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Spoken like a true layman. One of the first things you learn as a lowly underling, either on your own or by your senpai in the academic research setting is to question every study you read. Scrutinize and poke holes in a study's methodology, find gaps, test for robustness etc - the exact opposite of what you say to do, which is blind trust. Not sure if that adherence to the actual scientific method is still taught in institutions since they're all pozzed these days.

It was still taught circa 2012-2016.

The whole appeal to authority is so stupid too, because they aren't even citing actual scientific, peer-reviewed literature they are just posting links to MSM articles and citing government agencies as the end-all-be-all guidance of what is fact or fiction.

Can't learn without diving headfirst and reading the literature. It's not like scientists out there were born with all the foundational knowledge they needed to do their job. You can speak for yourself regarding lack of qualifications but don't project your insecurities and knowledge gaps on others you don't know.

He admitted to getting his information from "doctors" on Facebook awhile back, meanwhile he accuses everyone else of getting their info from Facebook.

LOL NO. At least, not any of the ones being offered right now. I don't trust any of them, especially Pfizer. If I AM gonna get jabbed, I'll wait until the more traditional Novavax vaccine comes out.

Meissa's nasal-spray Live Attenuated Virus might also be worth looking at.
However, Meissa is (rightfully) taking their sweet time with clinical trials.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Jesus, dude, do you really think you're convincing me you're not a shill or swayed by them when you keep using the same manipulative techniques and spouting the same slogans and accusations at us that they use?

I dunno, you're the one parroting anti-vax Russian propaganda, comrade.

I mentioned how the White House has admitted Facebook's censoring on their behalf. Why would I trust their claims the posts they're removing were by their favorite foreign scapegoat? Two decades ago it would've been Islamic extremists making these posts.

Facebook also censored stuff for the White House under Trump. I don't see you upset about these.

Why not address my last post? I've told you exactly why we're skeptical-- could we only be skeptical if we were told to be, or are you exposing how you really think through projection?

Which point of your last post?

The whole appeal to authority is so stupid too, because they aren't even citing actual scientific, peer-reviewed literature they are just posting links to MSM articles and citing government agencies as the end-all-be-all guidance of what is fact or fiction.

Of course the retard who lies about being a biologist (or is the most inept biologist on the planet, your choice) doesn't like scientists or studies.

He admitted to getting his information from "doctors" on Facebook awhile back, meanwhile he accuses everyone else of getting their info from Facebook.

What? No I didn't. I once linked to a Facebook post from a real doctor once because he did a write up better than I could when you retards were posting how only 6% of deaths from covid were really from covid. And of course it was totally false, but you, a totally real biologist, fell for it hook-line-sinker and this upsets you, so you attack me for actually knowing that it was BS. At least I know how math involving percentages works and know that the vaccine isn't going to kill everyone (despite what you claim, although you'll deny it as usual when called out on your BS).

 

[Nobue]

I dunno, you're the one parroting anti-vax Russian propaganda, comrade.

Facebook also censored stuff for the White House under Trump. I don't see you upset about these.

Which point of your last post?

What were they censoring for Trump? These guys are literally censoring info that's bad for corporate businesses, and you're okay with that.

What exactly have I written that isn't a valid concern? If the "Russians" say something reasonable on occasion, that doesn't mean I'm wrong for having a similar viewpoint, no matter what their intentions were.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

What were they censoring for Trump? These guys are literally censoring info that's bad for corporate businesses, and you're okay with that.

Oops, they didn't censor, but they didn't fact check Trump's speech in return for Trump not regulating them.

What exactly have I written that isn't a valid concern? If the "Russians" say something reasonable on occasion, that doesn't mean I'm wrong for having a similar viewpoint, no matter what their intentions were.

Pretty much all of it. You are just concerned that scientists and doctors are lying about vaccines being safe, with zero reason for doing so other than paranoia. You also are concerned about side effects, even though covid has rates of those same side effects at a much, much higher rate. Did I miss any other concerns you had?

 

[Nobue]

Oops, they didn't censor, but they didn't fact check Trump's speech in return for Trump not regulating them.

Pretty much all of it. You are just concerned that scientists and doctors are lying about vaccines being safe, with zero reason for doing so other than paranoia. You also are concerned about side effects, even though covid has rates of those same side effects at a much, much higher rate. Did I miss any other concerns you had?

So...they fact-checked Trump and he didn't...do that thing he couldn't do on his own?

I've explained how the experts have consistently lied for the people funding them throughout history. Are you that worried about us "antivaxxers" killing your COVID god?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I've explained how the experts have consistently lied for the people funding them throughout history. Are you that worried about us "antivaxxers" killing your COVID god?

I thought you said that you did trust doctors, though? Which is it?

You really think 99% of docs and scientists world-wide (okay, 96%) are in on this vast world-wide conspiracy? What would be the end game of this conspiracy?