No Time to Die 007 - Time to Go Broke

CWCissey said:
I'm out. Reddit wasn't lying.

The action scenes were pretty good and it's nice to see the Vantage getting some love, that was a seriously underrated car. Some ace acting from Craig too. Ana de Armas was great too.

However, Felix is dead, Blofeld went down like a bitch, M is now a fucking Bond villain, the actual villain did bugger all except be an incel and Nomi although not doing anything overly ridiculous was kind of obnoxious as a character.

Bond is dead, and with it the last cultural touchstone of an empire.
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This must be how the kids of an elderly father that was bamboozled by a gold digger feel at the funeral once they find out the will was changed and now everything goes to her.

Everything is taken, nothing left but emptiness.
 
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Pentex said:
Did Purvis and Wade really rip off Metal Gear Solid?

My sides are in orbit.
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Yes, but I think it was just a straight up virus at first. The nanobots stuff was added for obvious reasons but is not really brought up much throughout the film. It leads to a couple of thunkers as if Q is such a computer whiz, can he not reprogram these machines or use the samples to reverse-engineer an antidote nanobot? And also Bond has a portable EMP generator on his wrist at this point, would that not work on destroying Nanobots?

PuffyGroundCloud said:
Lemme guess, M is Voldemort now?
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
She’s probably influenced by nanomachines or something stupid, I bet.
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Nope, he had this clear WMD created because he thought he was doing the right thing.

If a fucking weapon that can target certain genetic traits is not something a Bond villain will come up with, then I don't know what is.

Ooh, forgot to mention that Dr. Villainofsky actually threatens to wipe out black people to Nomi's face while she holds him captive over a pool of acid. You can guess what she does next...
 
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Aib Ld said:
You forgot Haywire by Steven Soderbergh. Literally genderbent James Bond, right down to genderbendering the "Bond Girls" (minus the innuendo names, sadly). Marketing and the higher ups fucked it over though: Lionsgate badly wanted an action movie, Haywire was supposed to be a spy movie, Lionsgate pushed the poor guy to do some reshoots to add action-creating a year delay- and marketing showed an action flick while its in reality a spy flick with some action parts.
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Ah, how could I forget Haywire. And starring Gina Carrano, no less. That was a good film. I had no idea about the backstory to changes. Frankly, Gina Carrano is charming enough that you don't need to hire her only for action films. But if you have Gina Carrano, why not make it an action film? But yes, add it to the list. I thought Salt was pretty good and the way I remember it, it was pretty well set up for sequels. I think it just never got the success it would have needed. Atomic Blonde was well done but I didn't really enjoy it. Mainly 'cause I thought the main character was a bitch. Frankly, what can work with a male character sometimes doesn't work for a female character. At least as far as I'm concerned. Simply swapping a Bond character to be played by a woman makes a character that most guys don't want to watch, imo. Gina Carrano in Hayware, Angelina Jolie in Salt and (throwing it in there) Kate Beckinsale in Jolt all still feel like women you would like to meet. And not in any way that takes away from them being badass. Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde is not anyone you'd ever want to take home. It feels like two days later, you wouldn't be able to get rid of her and your house would be filled with crack addicts.

CWCissey said:
, M is now a fucking Bond villain
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Well now we know why they changed her to a male character. So that the character could become a villain.
 
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Well, the internet was correct. This is The Last James Bond through and through. It's got;
  • A huge, well spent budget for fights/visuals
  • A writer/director that combines incompetence with ignorance and spite
  • A toxic injection of modern day politics and propaganda
  • A boring or nonthreatening villain that they waste
  • A misanthropic, nihilistic undercurrent of deliberate franchise murder
Really the only difference is that Craig seems to be more on board with the complete, deliberate destruction of his character and franchise.

Where do we go after this? Everyone is dead, Spectre is dead, Blofeld is dead, James is dead, M is a villain, even Felix Leiter is dead, Moneypenny and Q have been replaced multiple times. The very identy of the franchise has been diluted by chasing Bourne-esque action and forsaking the formula hallmarks. There is no basis for continuation.

Previously the films played coy about Bond's origin and continuity, giving room for all kinds of theories and the flexibility for actors to change. We even had updates to the formula, like the move from Soviet stuff to megalomaniacs and crime lords, or more active and badass Bond 'girls', new supporting actors, etc. But every time the films gave us familiar things to carry on and bridge the gap.

The most extreme change was probably Goldeneye, with a new Bond, M, Moneypenny and even in-universe 'times have changed' themes. Even then Bond as a character was still the same suave metaphorical lady-killer and literal man-killer, we had the same old Q, and the formula we were all hungry for and it worked. We had character and franchise continuity, even if we had actors change.

With the Craig movies the formula has been degraded if not outright discarded. The character of Bond is not only changed, but also locked down into a concrete continuity with an estate and named parents and backstory and everything, leaving no room to maneuver. Everything about the setting is unmoored from it's history. There is nothing to build on, no wriggle room to slip out, there is no escape point. They've painted themselves into a corner with their writing and left no place to go.

Another franchise killed.thanks to modern day incompetence and arrogance.
 
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Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
Wait so why is this guy bad?
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Because movie says he's bad.

The character was basically comic relief, but saying 'All fucking niggers must fucking hang' to an already angry nigress who has access to a pit of acid is just fucking dumb.

Übertroon said:
Movie wants to be topical I guess
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Movie is clearly accidentally topical, hence the panicked change from a bog standard biohazard to Robo-AIDS.
 
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Glad I avoided the thread till now to miss the spoilers before I watched it.

Let's start with the first one for all the doom-filled sorts. Anyone who thinks that is the last James Bond is insane. Those certain that all the future Bonds will be 800 pound transgender lesbians are more crazy but entertainingly so. The franchise will rise again as long as money keeps coming in. The cries of "but they killed Bond" will be greeted with "he's well over a hundred and should be dead of numerous alcohol related illnesses or STDs by now if old age did not get him. Shut up. Also demanding realism in a Bond film is dumber than demanding it in a Marvel one."

Daniel Craig's Bond was always its own little microcosm of the series. Pretending there was some true, undeniable continuity for any real duration in the films is daft. I actually can tolerate the end of Craig's Bond life being this. The film has problems, lots of them. But it was not awful and if it marks an end to Bond pretending be the Bourne Identity I'll be thrilled about that.

There's a few things I'll comment on, chucked behind spoilers. Overall though I'll watch it again as a decent send off to Daniel Craig's run but if the next Bond is more of the same I'm out till it tries something new.

Ana de Armas and Daniel Craig's action scene very briefly turns the entire movie into an old school Bond scene where physics and realism are sent into another room and told not to bother anyone for a bit
Jeffrey Wright and Daniel Craig continue to have some genuinely good chemistry in their annoyingly limited scenes together
The scenery is absolutely stunning throughout, similarly the soundtrack is great
While people might not like it Bond's death was reasonably emotional. Though I wish the film had fewer close ups on Léa Seydoux when she is distraught as she tends to snot up. It's realistic but this is a Bond film

The insinuation that the ending missile strike was some sort of massive political hot potato that would fuck M over since it was never followed up on
The cigar Paloma provided for Felix. It seemed like they were going to do something with it but they never did. Personally I'd have had Bond end the call with Madeleine and go out smoking that cigar
Q directs them to deploy the 'chutes and wings on their incursion vehicle. It has no parachute at any point
Q's biometric monitoring thing since it serves only two purposes. Makes Nomi's character look like a bigger wimp than the prior 007 and make it really clear that people are going to die. The movie already planted an enormous hint for the ending, this just makes it even more obvious for savvy viewers
Only one use of explosives causing annoying high pitched pseudo deafness per film. We get it but it's a gimmick and using it twice or more is sloppy
The already mentioned scientist rant about genociding the black race. He's already involved in a plan to wipe out most of humanity, having him be randomly racist to justify Nomi murdering him is stupid. Have him trip the alarm or something, this is literally just "he called her a racial slur so her murdering an unarmed, though very evil, man is justified." Do better writers
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Bond fights the villain, from a family of poison experts, in a climactic scene in the family's poison gardens already used in an earlier scene to threaten a child. Rather than killing him with any of the poisonous plants he shoots him. They were right there, this is like having someone directly below a rocket about to take off and you shoot them rather than let the rocket's engines burn them alive. In a Bond film
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If the actress had not been sourced bragging about how significant her role is I would have more sympathy for her because Nomi is this film's designated failure
She fails to get her assigned target, shown up by Bond and Paloma
She fails to hunt down leads of her own until Bond provides them which should be easy since she was in the club with Felix, Bond and the traitor so she should have seen him!
After Bond is brought back is she is ignored, insultingly so by her superiors and colleagues, and is cut out of the loop on the intelligence being brought in
She fails to run down the lead Bond gave her before the guy leads an attack on Bond and is killed by him
She plays a minimal role in the climactic fights
Her action scenes are less impressive than Paloma's
Her one-liner to the scientist she kills is abysmal despite better lines being provided elsewhere
Honestly I feel bad for her. She's not an awful actress, I'm certain if given more by the script she could do more
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JohnDoe said:
Well, the internet was correct. This is The Last James Bond through and through. It's got;
  • A huge, well spent budget for fights/visuals
  • A writer/director that combines incompetence with ignorance and spite
  • A toxic injection of modern day politics and propaganda
  • A boring or nonthreatening villain that they waste
  • A misanthropic, nihilistic undercurrent of deliberate franchise murder
Really the only difference is that Craig seems to be more on board with the complete, deliberate destruction of his character and franchise.

Where do we go after this? Everyone is dead, Spectre is dead, Blofeld is dead, James is dead, M is a villain, even Felix Leiter is dead, Moneypenny and Q have been replaced multiple times. The very identy of the franchise has been diluted by chasing Bourne-esque action and forsaking the formula hallmarks. There is no basis for continuation.

Previously the films played coy about Bond's origin and continuity, giving room for all kinds of theories and the flexibility for actors to change. We even had updates to the formula, like the move from Soviet stuff to megalomaniacs and crime lords, or more active and badass Bond 'girls', new supporting actors, etc. But every time the films gave us familiar things to carry on and bridge the gap.

The most extreme change was probably Goldeneye, with a new Bond, M, Moneypenny and even in-universe 'times have changed' themes. Even then Bond as a character was still the same suave metaphorical lady-killer and literal man-killer, we had the same old Q, and the formula we were all hungry for and it worked. We had character and franchise continuity, even if we had actors change.

With the Craig movies the formula has been degraded if not outright discarded. The character of Bond is not only changed, but also locked down into a concrete continuity with an estate and named parents and backstory and everything, leaving no room to maneuver. Everything about the setting is unmoored from it's history. There is nothing to build on, no wriggle room to slip out, there is no escape point. They've painted themselves into a corner with their writing and left no place to go.

Another franchise killed.thanks to modern day incompetence and arrogance.
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Daniel Craig's James Bond always seemed more of a reboot rather than a continuation of the old character so I'm fine with them completely destroying everything with the Craig Bond.
As for continuing Bond, I would be ok if there were no more Bond Movies if that means our current year world doesn't touch James Bond.
 
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Morethanabitfoolish said:
Glad I avoided the thread till now to miss the spoilers before I watched it.

Let's start with the first one for all the doom-filled sorts. Anyone who thinks that is the last James Bond is insane. Those certain that all the future Bonds will be 800 pound transgender lesbians are more crazy but entertainingly so. The franchise will rise again as long as money keeps coming in. The cries of "but they killed Bond" will be greeted with "he's well over a hundred and should be dead of numerous alcohol related illnesses or STDs by now if old age did not get him. Shut up. Also demanding realism in a Bond film is dumber than demanding it in a Marvel one."

Daniel Craig's Bond was always its own little microcosm of the series. Pretending there was some true, undeniable continuity for any real duration in the films is daft. I actually can tolerate the end of Craig's Bond life being this. The film has problems, lots of them. But it was not awful and if it marks an end to Bond pretending be the Bourne Identity I'll be thrilled about that.

There's a few things I'll comment on, chucked behind spoilers. Overall though I'll watch it again as a decent send off to Daniel Craig's run but if the next Bond is more of the same I'm out till it tries something new.

Ana de Armas and Daniel Craig's action scene very briefly turns the entire movie into an old school Bond scene where physics and realism are sent into another room and told not to bother anyone for a bit
Jeffrey Wright and Daniel Craig continue to have some genuinely good chemistry in their annoyingly limited scenes together
The scenery is absolutely stunning throughout, similarly the soundtrack is great
While people might not like it Bond's death was reasonably emotional. Though I wish the film had fewer close ups on Léa Seydoux when she is distraught as she tends to snot up. It's realistic but this is a Bond film

The insinuation that the ending missile strike was some sort of massive political hot potato that would fuck M over since it was never followed up on
The cigar Paloma provided for Felix. It seemed like they were going to do something with it but they never did. Personally I'd have had Bond end the call with Madeleine and go out smoking that cigar
Q directs them to deploy the 'chutes and wings on their incursion vehicle. It has no parachute at any point
Q's biometric monitoring thing since it serves only two purposes. Makes Nomi's character look like a bigger wimp than the prior 007 and make it really clear that people are going to die. The movie already planted an enormous hint for the ending, this just makes it even more obvious for savvy viewers
Only one use of explosives causing annoying high pitched pseudo deafness per film. We get it but it's a gimmick and using it twice or more is sloppy
The already mentioned scientist rant about genociding the black race. He's already involved in a plan to wipe out most of humanity, having him be randomly racist to justify Nomi murdering him is stupid. Have him trip the alarm or something, this is literally just "he called her a racial slur so her murdering an unarmed, though very evil, man is justified." Do better writers
;

Bond fights the villain, from a family of poison experts, in a climactic scene in the family's poison gardens already used in an earlier scene to threaten a child. Rather than killing him with any of the poisonous plants he shoots him. They were right there, this is like having someone directly below a rocket about to take off and you shoot them rather than let the rocket's engines burn them alive. In a Bond film
;

If the actress had not been sourced bragging about how significant her role is I would have more sympathy for her because Nomi is this film's designated failure
She fails to get her assigned target, shown up by Bond and Paloma
She fails to hunt down leads of her own until Bond provides them which should be easy since she was in the club with Felix, Bond and the traitor so she should have seen him!
After Bond is brought back is she is ignored, insultingly so by her superiors and colleagues, and is cut out of the loop on the intelligence being brought in
She fails to run down the lead Bond gave her before the guy leads an attack on Bond and is killed by him
She plays a minimal role in the climactic fights
Her action scenes are less impressive than Paloma's
Her one-liner to the scientist she kills is abysmal despite better lines being provided elsewhere
Honestly I feel bad for her. She's not an awful actress, I'm certain if given more by the script she could do more
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You're optimism is really stupid.

Only if the culture shifts back to being less overly sensitive in the next decade will there be hope for Bond.
 
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I really enjoyed it, now I've seen it. I can understand the criticism but still had a good time. Nomi wasn't as obnoxious as I feared, but instead came across as underwhelming. I cannot see her being a decent action star, and she'd be an even worse Bond - her one liner was dreadful.

Loved the girl in the dress. She would have made a great Bond. Fantastic tits, adorable personality, and you actually saw her do stuff.

Villains were just...there, really.

I liked it.
 
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