Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

[Aunt Carol]

>the vaccine is their holy communion

Jesus, they make a 20 minute adventure sound so dramatic.

At first I thought people posting photos of getting vaccinated and mentioning it in their online profiles was as cringe as it could get. Good that they're getting vaccinated, but it's like the people who have to get SUPER HYPED UP to vote in elections; you kind of suspect that getting their driver's license renewed is a big adventure, too.

But then you have this, which is an equal and opposite reaction to that energy, and detrimental.

 

[PeckingOrder]

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“Israel is in its fourth wave because the vaccine doesn’t work” is a braindead take. Israel is in its fourth wave because they were encouraged by extremely low infection rates because the vaccine worked, and then moronically lifted every single restriction while ignoring several factors:

• It was around the time the delta variant was starting to rear its ugly head outside of India, and it was incredibly naive of anyone to think it wouldn’t reach Israel with the return of regular flights.
• Children under 12 cannot be vaccinated yet anywhere and are just as good at spreading the virus as adults, if not better due to how grody the little turds are. A significant amount of the COVID positives in this wave are 11 and under.
• Not everyone in Israel is vaccinated or wants to be, despite the significant inconveniences it causes them - there is a robust vaccine passport system in place and most workplaces require proof of vaccination, in addition to the whole sickness and death thing. There is a significant level of vaccine hesitancy/denial especially in highly conservative communities like Arabs and ultra-Orthodox Jews, in addition to the regular crunchy hippies and Trumpist cucklords.
• Israeli senior citizens were among the very first in the world to receive the Pfizer vaccine, and unfortunately the conservative estimates of the vaccine being good for about six months after the second shot proved true, so they saw the result of dwindling antibodies much faster than other countries would. Israel was the first to offer third booster shots and has just updated its vaccine passport system to account for this six month since last shot period.

 

[MrFunnyMan]

Here are some recent deaths from COVID out of Ohio/Kentucky and West Virginia area thanks to no vaccination. As you can see, they are all older people in their 70's that clearly have had their coincidental covid diagnosis used to perpetuate the lie Covid kills.


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HUNTINGTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) - A picture of Norma Ward sits nest to a black wreath inside Cabell County EMS Headquarters.

“It comes as a shock,” said EMS Director Gordon Merry. “Unfortunately. this is something we deal with transporting COVID patients daily.”

Ward spent the last five years as an EMT at Cabell County EMS. Merry says she was sick with COVID-19 for a week, before passing away on Thursday.

“It’s very sad. This is a young lady that had been with me five years. She was married and had two children. A young boy and a young girl,” said Merry. She was only 32 years old.

And this one:

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PAINTSVILLE, Ky. (WSAZ) - It was an emotional Friday night under the lights in Paintsville. Age 62

The Johnson Central football team played their first game since the death of longtime, legendary Coach Jim Matney on Tuesday.

Matney had struggled with COVID-19 for weeks.

Between the death and the funeral, a football game against Clay County was on the schedule.
Before kickoff, Coach Matney’s wife and two sons stood at midfield and unveiled a banner revealing Eagle Field was being renamed Coach Jim Matney Field. Many former players, including Hunter McCloud, who was on Matney’s state championship teams in 2016 and 2019, stood on the sideline as the announcement was made.


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RONTON, Ohio (WSAZ) - On Wednesday evening, 50-year-old Boyd Blake passed away with COVID-19. He had been battling the illness in the hospital for more than a month.

“We’ll have some trying times in the next few days as we prepare for a funeral and to say our last goodbyes to our colleague,” said Lawrence County Sheriff Jeff Lawless as he fought back tears. “We just honor his memory by continuing to do the work that we’ve done and the job he would expect us to do.”

Deputy Blake joined the Lawrence County Sheriff’s Office in 2001. He had previously served as Chief of Police at the Proctorville Police Department. He leaves a legacy of 25 years in law enforcement.

“He always had my back. He was always the life of the party and he was a good family man,” said Sheriff’s Deputy Daren Hamlin.


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“Must be the deepstate or something” - A schizo probably

 

[The Last Stand]

Hate to go against the grain here, but I believe there is a correlation between COVID deaths and the overweight, regardless of vaccination status. I'm not liking the belief that COVID vaccination will be the end all, be all of eradicating COVID.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

1. The idea of eradicating Covid in general is stupid. The diseases we've been able to effectively eliminate were lifetime vaccine issues, not ones that require a booster. Just the idea that people are vaccinated at different times throughout the year is going to give it time to survive and adapt and shit.

2. The idea that not being able to eradicate Covid is a mark against the vaccine is equally stupid. I'm sorry people don't seem to understand this, but the taxing on the hospital system is a massive problem. There is a finite amount of beds in any given hospital as well as doctors on staff for the night. The notion that the vaccine lowers how the virus impacts you has not really been challenged by conspiracy theorists in a substantial way, just that it isn't 100% effective. Ignoring that lowering the hospitalization rate by a large margin is a huge deal is really fucking dumb. The anti-vax crowd likes to scream about being critical thinkers, then fail to actually think critically about anything.

3. I didn't really see this noted anywhere, but one of the reasons its a problematic virus is the amount of systems it attacks. Someone in the ICU for Covid has neurological symptoms, then cardiac and lung problems of course as well. The noteworthy thing that doesn't make a lot of news reports though is that for some reason a Covid infection is causing people to bleed out, although the blood work on these individuals does not reflect what it should for that symptom. There are hospitals now having issues with the blood banks because they are having to use the Belmont on patients.

That last point is part of why the obese get hit harder by the virus than non-obese people. Their systems tend to already be overtaxed just by virtue of being super fucking fat, and when you add a fairly overwhelming virus to that mix its going to wreck shit.

 

[cuddle striker]

Pardon my sperging:
It is absurd that a vaccine has become a politically charged hill to die on. Part of me wishes that these people understood what a patient in ICU with COVID looks like. Prone, vented, paralyzed with vecc/nimbex, and eventually coded face down. By that point none of them make it unless they get ECMO, and even then chances are slim. Their lungs are so non-compliant and their x-rays are horrid. They require such high PEEP towards the end that many end up with pneumos and PEs from the outlandish vent settings required to ventilate them. If not they usually suffer massive strokes despite intense DVT prophylaxis.

On the other hand, I envy that these idiots are blissfully unaware. Sometimes I wish I could go back and forget all of these experiences working during COVID. It's honestly just flat out sad that these people are so ignorant.

People will be maxed out on high-flow or BIPAP while circling the drain and still listening or watching anti-vax shit on the TV. Some ardently deny that they even have COVID and truly believe we are making up the test results. When it comes time to tube them they beg for the vaccine and say that if it really worked it would cure them. The families just don't get it and ask when their intubated family member will be discharged after they have seen them lay there for weeks on their video calls.

I have to say I am not a fan of the schadenfreude that le redditors on HermanCainAward have. I find it really distasteful to mock the dead even though they were fucking idiots.

Last year was not fun. This year is hilarious though. I luckily have only spent a few days with the dying/living patients this entire time- we don't see them until they're dead. We've had one or two families asking for some kind of "full investigation" to try to prove that some snake oil cures would have worked (these cures change every month or two, as new grifters pop up) or that being ventilated is why someone died. At this point I wish they'd just stop giving those patients a vent, at all. They'll die faster and ease the strain on the system a little if they're getting pinesol and ivermectin instead of proper medication and ventilators.

Family pleads for people to get vaccinated after father dies from COVID-19

At 45 years old, Patrick Lane was healthy with no underlying health conditions but felt hesitant to get the COVID-19 vaccine.

www.king5.com

Every time they mention fox/oan/newsmax I start wondering when the lawsuits will begin. It seems a massive class action in the making, but I'm not a lawyer. @AnOminous how possible is something like that? We've had a significant number of families come through who are very angry about the effect these broadcasters have had in the deaths.

Hate to go against the grain here, but I believe there is a correlation between COVID deaths and the overweight, regardless of vaccination status. I'm not liking the belief that COVID vaccination will be the end all, be all of eradicating COVID.

Deaths and infections aren't the same statistic. The unvaccinated are dying, and people with impaired immune systems whose bodies didn't properly incorporate antibodies when vaccinated. Vaccinated people are still getting sick- they're just not ending up on the slab.

The Fats are most likely to be sicker, and in vaccinated people it's a risk for more serious illness. This is true for every illness though- The Fats will always get sicker than regular sized people from anything they catch. They're more likely to die of it if unvaccinated, more likely to need the hospital if they're vaccinated.

 

[Aunt Carol]

My pipe dream is that most e'rybody gets vaccinated, breakthrough cases come to the ED, get a pack of oral antivirals and steroids, and go home to do whatever weird bonus stuff they want without anybody having to fight about it either way.

For everyone who wants to follow the money, there's not much talk about how much hospitals would really rather be pumping out elective ortho cases please, instead of putting Grandma's unprofitable holiday CHF exacerbation in a Surgical bed because the hospital is full-to-bursting with previously-healthy people owning the libs.

 

[AnOminous]

@AnOminous how possible is something like that? We've had a significant number of families come through who are very angry about the effect these broadcasters have had in the deaths.

This is pretty off the cuff, but I'd assume anyone holding themselves out as any kind of medical professional, even something nonsensical like a chiropractor, who gives bad medical advice that leads to harm, would be liable under some theory or another. If they're actually a doctor it would be malpractice, but in the case of a non-doctor, it could just be practicing medicine without a license, leading to harm. When an act is otherwise illegal and harm that results from it is directly connected to the reason it's illegal, that's what's called negligence per se and doesn't require further proof, making liability nearly mandatory.

Unfortunately, talking heads and other idiots who aren't posing as someone's doctor, who recommend absolutely idiotic shit, are generally not liable for people doing idiotic shit as a result, much as heavy metal bands who recommend suicide are not guilty if someone pulls a Cobain or turns themselves into Arseface.

Similarly, other lunatics who profess religious or any other seemingly sincere basis for wild claims about the vaccine being from Satan, having mind control nanobots in it or other similar crap are also probably protected.

As are people who made an (imo bad or at least selfish) calculation that the hassle or risk of getting the vaccine outweighs its benefits. Absent some legal mandate, they're entitled to make a bad decision or even urge others to do so.

I think it's mainly people with an actual medical license at stake, as well as a nice big pot of malpractice insurance gold at the end of the rainbow, who should be sweating bullets when the litigation machine starts revving up.

 

[NakiNoRyu]

We've had a significant number of families come through who are very angry about the effect these broadcasters have had in the deaths.

Any sort of info on this/stories to tell about particularly memorable ones?

 

[Geese Howard]

For everyone who wants to follow the money, there's not much talk about how much hospitals would really rather be pumping out elective ortho cases please, instead of putting Grandma's unprofitable holiday CHF exacerbation in a Surgical bed because the hospital is full-to-bursting with previously-healthy people owning the libs.

This can't be emphasized enough. Hospital executives would like nothing more than for COVID-19 to disappear so they can go back to doing high-profit elective procedures. The stress that COVID has placed on health systems has had a huge impact on their bottom lines.

There's a lot of data available on this, but this Kaufman Hall report provides a good overview. (PDF) Here's an excerpt:

Record numbers of hospitals have closed since the start of the pandemic. Rural hospitals were hit particularly hard by this trend, which is ironic considering the regions with the lowest vaccination rates.

Further reading.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

This can't be emphasized enough. Hospital executives would like nothing more than for COVID-19 to disappear so they can go back to doing high-profit elective procedures. The stress that COVID has placed on health systems has had a huge impact on their bottom lines.

There's a lot of data available on this, but this Kaufman Hall report provides a good overview. (PDF) Here's an excerpt:

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Record numbers of hospitals have closed since the start of the pandemic. Rural hospitals were hit particularly hard by this trend, which is ironic considering the regions with the lowest vaccination rates.

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Further reading.

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Yep, that's why it's hilarious that schizo conspiracy tards think it's some vast conspiracy. Hospitals would blow that shit open fast since they're losing $

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Yep, that's why it's hilarious that schizo conspiracy tards think it's some vast conspiracy. Hospitals would blow that shit open fast since they're losing $

Unfortunately schizo conspiracy tards tend to think "more patients = more money" for hospitals. That different reasons for being in the hospital will pay different amounts of money is not something that will occur to them, much less be something that they understand.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

U.S. Senator gets in on the Merck conspiracy:

 

[Salted caramel tears]

Covidiot takes horse paste when she gets covid, it doesn't work out so she ends up at the hospital with kidney failure and her daughter asks for a divine system reboot because she's "truly aggravated" with the doctors. Will Jaysus and the prayer warriors be able to save her?
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Nope.... the reboot has failed and now she is worm food.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...e_the_request_for_a_system_reboot_from_jesus/

 

[Doctor of Autism]

U.S. Senator gets in on the Merck conspiracy:
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It's still hilarious how these people really act like Chicken soup is the ultimate cure for disease. I'm sure everyone dying could've been saved if they only had the holy meal of Chicken soup that would truly save everyone.

It's also funny how not one of these insane COVID conspiracy nuts never once blame the person who hired Fauci in the first place and never once bothered to fire him.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

 

[tea cup]

https://www.tiktok.com/@melbournemadness/video/7010339314798284034?sender_device=pc&sender_web_id=6961616863953421825&is_from_webapp=v1&is_copy_url=0

Hey, if it's in an image then it's got to be true.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

When you REALLY don't want to get the vaccine:

 

[Shucky Ducky]

When you REALLY don't want to get the vaccine:
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Surprisingly not expensive!!

Letting my powerlevel slip a bit, but private aviation is RIDICULOUSLY expensive, even for the smallest 4-seater plane you could buy. Hanger costs, maintenance, AVGas, and ramp fees anywhere you want to land are just a some of the expenses you deal with constantly. It's not exactly cheap getting a pilot's license either.

Also, for a group that hates government regulation so much, there are TONS of regulations related to keeping your plane in the air.

The other idiotic aspect to this idea is time. Flying from Atlanta to Dallas might take 2 hours in a commercial jet because they reach ground speeds of over 500 mph easily. That same trip in a small prop plane would take 3-4 times as long, with probably 4 or 5 stops for fuel along the way.

 

[Moguro Fukuzou]

U.S. Senator gets in on the Merck conspiracy:
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See we'd use those kinds of things for when you're kind of sick or just starting to come down with something, but whenever you were really sick you'd ditch it for some kind of medication and if that didn't help it'd be straight to the doctors. You might not have the money to buy the name brand stuff, but generics were practically the same thing and a lot cheaper. If you don't properly treat a cold or flu it can develop into something much worse pretty quickly.