No Time to Die 007 - Time to Go Broke

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I honestly think there has to be some kind of conspiracy with critics and the like with how much Daniel Craig's movies are praised. I feel like Mugatu when seeing people say Craig and his movies are great and Skyfall is the best Bond movie. Critics having shit taste is nothing new but god damn.

Any critic that is getting paid in any way is not to be trusted. Any critic who is getting special access is definitely not to be trusted.

 

[Commander X]

I was rewatching a far better Bond movie than the recent ones, I speak of course of The Professional: Golgo 13. Like if the Connery Bond taken to the extreme limits of sex and violence and heavy duty misanthropy. If James Bond were an amoral, sex-powered murder machine. It's as if the director, the legendary Osamu Dezaki asked himself "What if a Bond movie was as artfully and colorfully composed as it's opening credits sequence?" (Of course, Golgo's creator, the late Takao Saito, had worked on manga adaptions of four of Fleming's Bond novels in the 60s before he created one of the longest running characters ever, and 007 probably informed the development of his master assassin.)

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I heard it was ok

Seems they cut out most of the woke shit after test audiences hated it so the black chick isn't all rah rah stronk and actually fucks up and listens to Bond. The stonk wamym stuff is like 3 scenes and nothing huge to the plot. Just some waifu's smashing guys three times their size and the usual Hollywood crap.

Action scenes are top notch but script and plot are shit. Banter is gone and Bond's back to being super cereal and all PTSD. So little to no humour or fun.

Opinion: maybe watch it once it comes to Netflix. Otherwise avoid.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

I honestly think there has to be some kind of conspiracy with critics and the like with how much Daniel Craig's movies are praised. I feel like Mugatu when seeing people say Craig and his movies are great and Skyfall is the best Bond movie. Critics having shit taste is nothing new but god damn.

Ditto. I get the praise of Casino Royale and Skyfall as they're the only good films under Craig's tenure, but I can't be arsed to rewatch Quantum of Solace or Spectre to save my soul. They're just so fucking dull. I'll sit down and watch Die Another Day if it's on, and after finally watching the Dalton films, I'd definitely watch his two before seeing the bad Craig films.

Since I brought up Dalton, got to say, I don't get the hate. The Living Daylights was fucking awesome, probably because it was based on an Ian Fleming book. License To Kill didn't feel like a Bond film until the third act, but it was an alright film overall and gets massive bonus points from me for having Talisa Soto in it.

 

[JohnDoe]

Since I brought up Dalton, got to say, I don't get the hate. The Living Daylights was fucking awesome, probably because it was based on an Ian Fleming book. License To Kill didn't feel like a Bond film until the third act, but it was an alright film overall and gets massive bonus points from me for having Talisa Soto in it.

I feel like Dalton was almost an Alpha version of the Brosnan era, from the looks and some of the way he was balanced. I think that with another film or two he would have really developed into a great Bond.

 

[CWCissey]

I feel like Dalton was almost an Alpha version of the Brosnan era, from the looks and some of the way he was balanced. I think that with another film or two he would have really developed into a great Bond.

Proto-Craig.

Dalton really tapped into the more aggressive side of Bond.

 

[JohnDoe]

Proto-Craig.

Dalton really tapped into the more aggressive side of Bond.

Hard disagree. Dalton wore a tuxedo well and could charm a woman, after all. CraigBond is like a bar room brawler incel that was forced at gunpoint to put on a tie and do the job. DaltonBond was more like a prep school sociopath that became an agent because it let him fuck women and kill men all over the world.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Since I brought up Dalton, got to say, I don't get the hate. The Living Daylights was fucking awesome, probably because it was based on an Ian Fleming book. License To Kill didn't feel like a Bond film until the third act, but it was an alright film overall and gets massive bonus points from me for having Talisa Soto in it.

I agree and loved both of Dalton's movies. The right Bond at the wrong time.

I should say that, from what I remember, "Daylights" was just a short story in a collection. It might have just been the scene where he has to kill the cellist and they stretched it into a movie.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

I agree and loved both of Dalton's movies. The right Bond at the wrong time.

I should say that, from what I remember, "Daylights" was just a short story in a collection. It might have just been the scene where he has to kill the cellist and they stretched it into a movie.

Well for stretching out a short story into a 2 hour flick, they did phenomenal job of it.

 

[Commander X]

 

[Desu Vult]

Dalton was great in Daylights (which IIRC was originally written for Moore). Easily my fave Bond. In LTK he was indeed a proto-Craig and the movie would have been better without any Bond connection at all.

Re the current one, saw it, could have been worse. Way less shitty than rest of Craig's stuff.

 

[Articles and Nudes]

The only major complaint I have about this one is how flat the intro credits and theme song are. A miserable teenager mumbling about love over some vaguely related, basic hourglass symbolism.

It's better only than Quantum of Solace, and that's purely because I literally cannot remember anything about QoS' intro.

 

[CWCissey]

The only major complaint I have about this one is how flat the intro credits and theme song are. A miserable teenager mumbling about love over some vaguely related, basic hourglass symbolism.

It's better only than Quantum of Solace, and that's purely because I literally cannot remember anything about QoS' intro.

QoS's opening credits were OK if I remember rightly. It at least had a bit of energy to it.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

It's better only than Quantum of Solace, and that's purely because I literally cannot remember anything about QoS' intro.

I believe it picks up immediately where Casino Royale left off - Bond has Mr White in the trunk after he shot him in the knee.

 

[Online Fossil]

just saw it. I liked it. I usually nope out at movies much longer than 2 hours but this didn’t feel like 2h40m. Idk how I feel about the ending but this is also a franchise where the main character magically changes appearance every decade or so so I’m sure it won’t matter in the next iteration.It was funny that most of the theatre stayed through the credits to check that it said JAMES BOND WILL RETURN at the end and let out a sigh of relief. From recent articles I thought it would be ~woke~ but it wasn’t, thankfully. Casino Royale is still the best Craig Bond movie.

 

[HarryHowler]

I'm going to echo the thoughts of the other people who've already seen it - middle of the pack for the Craig movies, but a bit closer quality-wise to Casino and Skyfall than Quantum of Solace or Spectre. And yeah, kinda woke by Bond movie standards, but still far less glaring in that regard than most movies. Thinking about it, the Bond franchise actually seems to have gotten the wokeness out of its system pretty early on with Goldeneye, which turned Moneypenny into a complete bitch and had Dench!M lecturing Bond on his sexism.

As for Lashana Lynch's character... well, I'll give the filmmakers credit for managing to somewhat consistently write her as someone who's a competent agent in her own right, but lacks Bond's experience. They at least managed to avoid the fuck-ups they committed with Halle Berry, whose character kept going back and forth between completely overshadowing Bond and being totally useless. And more importantly, this movie was still actually about Bond, as opposed to Die Another Day, where they clearly intended it to be first and foremost a launching pad for that abandoned spin-off movie with Berry, and threw together some half-assed mishmash of License to Kill and Diamonds Are Forever as the main storyline.

 

[Articles and Nudes]

I still can't take Nomi seriously as a 007 replacement. Someone upthread mentioned that her successes come from off-screen moments, or kicking a fat, dumpy scientist into some acid. She had no real action sequences or brawls to correlate her supposed experience - just shot some dudes.

This is why I loved the Cuban chick. She wasn't a delicate waifu overpowering men three times her size, but a demented little powerhouse who shot people at point blank range and clubbed the survivors with a gun. It worked very well as showing, not telling, and capped off an already brilliant joke about her three weeks training.

 

[JohnDoe]

Thinking about it, the Bond franchise actually seems to have gotten the wokeness out of its system pretty early on with Goldeneye, which turned Moneypenny into a complete bitch and had Dench!M lecturing Bond on his sexism.

Fucking what? Goldeneye was not 'woke' at all, the 'lecture' was more of a rebuke of the then-topical PC and post-Wall attitudes.

"Oh Bond you're a relic, nobody needs a true Alpha Chad that seduces all the women and shoots bad guys. This is the 90s!"
*proceeds to seduce all the hot women, drive fast cars, be a Chad in general, shoot the bad guys, save England*
"Well maybe we do need Alpha Chads after all!"

Natalya was on the more competent end of the Bond Girl spectrum and played hard to get, but she never overshadowed Bond and in the end fell for him because the movie could admit that women get hot for competent, confident men that can save England. Xenia was a scary antagonist, but it was her sociopathy and bloodlust that made her intimidating - she never used waif-fu to throw Bond around and actually got her ass kicked rather easily when in a straight up fight. Neither of them lecture or demean Bond in a meaningful way, and whatever bantz get thrown are returned by Bond easily.

It's the same formula as the prior movies, just with some updated outfits. They even have Bond slap women!

 

[Tookie]

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My biggest complaint is that modern Bond is working for the bad guys.

 

[Mike Stoklasa]

That was literally Casino Royale.

Do we really need to reboot Bond every 5 films now?

Just imagine! Now they don't need to come up with new scenarios and stories. They can meticulously recreate all of your favorite Bond movies and this time they can do it right by fixing all of the problems.