Prison Letters Chris writes me from Prison (dated September 19th, 2021)

[Hogar Grupal]

If you see Chris as a person with agency I'm really sorry but you should really treat everything Chris says as if it's coming from someone wearing a helmet and drooling on themselves.

I agree that Chris doesn't have any agency, and he is disabled, however, there are very brief moments where Chris has shown cleverness. I can't believe I'm actually giving Chris some props here, but if Chris was as disabled as you've described, then why give him a license to drive? Even though Chris has been documented as being a relatively 'safe' driver with multiple accidents, then according to your description, just like the internet, Chris shouldn't have access to a car.

Chris' only 'life skills' are drawing, writing and playing games. If Chris was given a job of operating a forklift with free training, Chris will ignore said training because it doesn't suit him (and because it doesn't involve ponies or Pokémon). Chris couldn't even hack it working at a fast food restaurant, in a position that's pretty easy to do because Chris can't stand being told what to do. He would rather live his life being a kid and playing games. Ironically, Chris has ambitions of working in animation, but he lacks the processing of how to get in the industry. At some point, Chris must have legitimately thought "my creations are so great I want to loan them out so that I can be the head of production!" even though he doesn't know you have to start at the bottom then working your way up.

Back to your point: I think Chris blurs the line between being a 'functioning ' adult and disabled manchild. Chris is capable of doing minor things, but at the same time knows that what most of the stuff he's done in his life is wrong, and building his fantasy world as a form of escapism is not doing him any favors. His latest act against his mom is proof that he wasn't a child. As disabled as he is, Chris bought a book on how to have sex with disabled people for the purpose of assaulting Barb. Chris is no Bond villain, but he did have this thought process and was planning on going through with it, at the same time, waiting for that GoFundMe money so that he can go to his precious con (that's a scary thought). You are right: Chris isn't capable of living on his own as he's had people looking for his best interests (Null). If Chris were living out on his own, he would get taken advantage of, with potential horrifying results. If we were to treat Chris as that kid with the helmet on a wheelchair, make the example. Cut off access to the net, burn his driver's license, and put Chris in a small community of people.

 

[Jack Awful]

but if Chris was as disabled as you've described, then why give him a license to drive?

He shouldn't have a license.

 

[Pickle Built]

Chris has been documented as being a relatively 'safe' driver

Chris ran someone over you utter ween

 

[Testicle Slicer]

Chris Chan is basically the last generation of mentally disabled Children with elederly parents that don't understand modern mental healthcare.

This is true, and what makes Chris's position uniquely bad is that he's also part of the first generation to be born into a world where the dominant philosophy is "all must have prizes", and where his laziness, delusions and general refusal to do anything other than what he's comfortable with are indulged rather than (literally or figuratively) slapped out of him.

If Chris was born at the same time, but his parents were 20 years younger, he might have had better medical/psychological treatment (and maybe Barb would have known better than to drink during pregnancy). If his parents were the same age but Chris was born 20 years earlier, he might have had more discipline and more Bobs keeping him from going off the deep end. As things are, Chris's upbringing seems to combine the worst elements of 1950s child-rearing attitudes with the worst elements of modern child-rearing attitudes. It was a perfect storm.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Chris ran someone over you utter ween

Prior to that, apparently, Chris drives like a grand mother, with the occasional crash. Hi a-log.

 

[Pickle Built]

Prior to that, apparently, Chris drives like a grand mother, with the occasional crash. Hi a-log.

So!? He intentionally ran a man over with his car that alone proves that Chris is in no way responsible nor safe enough to even drive a 4 wheeler

 

[Hogar Grupal]

So!? He intentionally ran a man over with his car that alone proves that Chris is in no way responsible nor safe enough to even drive a 4 wheeler

I've known that he ran Snyder over, and I've always been of the opinion that Chris shouldn't have a license. Cherry picking that one sentence and calling me a ween invalidates your previous post.

 

[Unattended Baby]

So I have been passively watching Chris Chan for the past decade like many others here and I strongly agree with this post with one caveat/addition.

I spent a lot of time as a kid volunteering at a school for disabled children and adults (was SUPER catholic growing up and my Church was heavily involved in the school despite it being public) and I have always known or at least felt that Chris has always been far more disabled than most Christorians really understand. Not only does Chris remind me of the severely disabled autistic adults that I would work with, he also reminds me of the adult 80s crack babies that would go to the school. I'm not saying that Chris is a crack baby but Barb and Bob were obviously severe alcholics (a point that many seem to overlook) and there's no doubt that Barb was drinking during her pregnancy. Many of the FAS/Crack children as adults would exhibit psychopathic or NPD patterns of behavior but most were not really "there" enough to think of any sort of scheme beyond "let me steal an extra cookie" or something similar.

The other thing I should mention is that many severly disabled adults with Autism are able to talk and hold conversations like 'normal people' but they just seem a little bit off. Chris is like this and I think most people see that he's able to communicate and use a computer and think "oh man this guy isn't r*tarded" he's not drooling on himself of shitting his pants as an adult (which Chris actually does) lets bully him because he gets disability - he's just a lazy asshole - he needs to work and contribute to society". But in reality Chris is just as disabled as someone wearing a bike helmet in a wheelchair. You could make the argument that had his circumstances been different he may have turned out differently but those days are long gone. It's a nature vs nuture kind of argument that is now irrelevant. Chris will never be able to take care of himself, and he has shown that he is incapable of making important decisions on his own. Had he had actual parents he would have been able to recieve the life assistance that he needs early on and he probably would have been able to live a happy purposeful life in a group home. Sadly though, this never happened and the problems have only gotten worse to the point at which he is now an actual threat to the public.

I wish it did not have to be this way but in America with public mental instutions the way they are, people like Chris get put in jail everyday. You can not have mentally disabled sex criminals on the street, and there really is no other place to put them. It's really a tragedy and it has been really painful to watch all of this but yeah Chris Chan is basically the last generation of mentally disabled Children with elederly parents that don't understand modern mental healthcare. A phenomenon like this may never happen again but do not let this lesson go unlearned. Severe mental disabilities in a vacuum never produce anything good. If you see Chris as a person with agency I'm really sorry but you should really treat everything Chris says as if it's coming from someone wearing a helmet and drooling on themselves.

TL;DR Chris is ubër retarded

 

[Cuntflaps]

I've known that he ran Snyder over, and I've always been of the opinion that Chris shouldn't have a license. Cherry picking that one sentence and calling me a ween invalidates your previous post.

To be fair, Snyder actually did stand in front of their car like a complete fucking moron. If your plan is to stand in front of a car to prevent the people inside from leaving until the cops come, then it isn't very tragic if you get run over. Not only is it not very tragic, but it is literally just natural selection running its course. It only sucks if the idiot who thinks they can block a car reproduces before being run over by a big machine. This doesn't excuse Chris and Barb committing vehicular assault or whatever the fuck the charge was, it just means that Michael Snyder and his descendants are as much a detriment to the gene pool as Chris and Barb.

 

[CerealKilla420]

I agree that Chris doesn't have any agency, and he is disabled, however, there are very brief moments where Chris has shown cleverness. I can't believe I'm actually giving Chris some props here, but if Chris was as disabled as you've described, then why give him a license to drive? Even though Chris has been documented as being a relatively 'safe' driver with multiple accidents, then according to your description, just like the internet, Chris shouldn't have access to a car.

Chris' only 'life skills' are drawing, writing and playing games. If Chris was given a job of operating a forklift with free training, Chris will ignore said training because it doesn't suit him (and because it doesn't involve ponies or Pokémon). Chris couldn't even hack it working at a fast food restaurant, in a position that's pretty easy to do because Chris can't stand being told what to do. He would rather live his life being a kid and playing games. Ironically, Chris has ambitions of working in animation, but he lacks the processing of how to get in the industry. At some point, Chris must have legitimately thought "my creations are so great I want to loan them out so that I can be the head of production!" even though he doesn't know you have to start at the bottom then working your way up.

Back to your point: I think Chris blurs the line between being a 'functioning ' adult and disabled manchild. Chris is capable of doing minor things, but at the same time knows that what most of the stuff he's done in his life is wrong, and building his fantasy world as a form of escapism is not doing him any favors. His latest act against his mom is proof that he wasn't a child. As disabled as he is, Chris bought a book on how to have sex with disabled people for the purpose of assaulting Barb. Chris is no Bond villain, but he did have this thought process and was planning on going through with it, at the same time, waiting for that GoFundMe money so that he can go to his precious con (that's a scary thought). You are right: Chris isn't capable of living on his own as he's had people looking for his best interests (Null). If Chris were living out on his own, he would get taken advantage of, with potential horrifying results. If we were to treat Chris as that kid with the helmet on a wheelchair, make the example. Cut off access to the net, burn his driver's license, and put Chris in a small community of people.

You would be shocked at how intelligent a lot of autistic adults in group homes actually are (or present at least). Just because someone is able to 'sort of' tell right from wrong (Chris is obviously too intellectually stunted to feel or understand empahty so does it even matter if he knows right from wrong really?) and can order a book to learn how to molest his elderly mother does not mean that he is not medicially r*t*rd*d or disabled enough to require lifelong supervision.

You are right though about Chris often 'blurring the line'. I only have a BA in psychology so it's not like I really know anything tbh but people like Chris that ride the line require accurate diagnosis from qualified professionals. Something that never happened because Barb and Bob probably thought they would send their Child to a literal 'funny farm' (forced labor camp - which is what they did back in the early 20s century and earlier).

All we can really do is speculate really. If someone here has a PsyD or something I think it would be fair to say enough information about Chris exists to make an accurate enough diagnosis (probably).


edit: also I agree he should not have a license to drive. If you have spent any time living in the deep south you would meet many people that should not be allowed behind the wheel of a car... I don't know what to tell you about that really. At least he doesn't live in a city and it's unlikely that he will be able to hit a pedestrian (Michael Schneider incident notwithstanding).

This is true, and what makes Chris's position uniquely bad is that he's also part of the first generation to be born into a world where the dominant philosophy is "all must have prizes", and where his laziness, delusions and general refusal to do anything other than what he's comfortable with are indulged rather than (literally or figuratively) slapped out of him.

If Chris was born at the same time, but his parents were 20 years younger, he might have had better medical/psychological treatment (and maybe Barb would have known better than to drink during pregnancy). If his parents were the same age but Chris was born 20 years earlier, he might have had more discipline and more Bobs keeping him from going off the deep end. As things are, Chris's upbringing seems to combine the worst elements of 1950s child-rearing attitudes with the worst elements of modern child-rearing attitudes. It was a perfect storm.

It's really sad honestly. I really do think though that if Bob were sober (in which case he would have never met Barb so moot point really) he probably could have given Chris the attention that he required and also cut back on Barb's hoarding behaviors.

The most interesting thing about Chris Chan to me though is just how many people are out there that live like this. Social services generally relocate people that are on disability to more affordable areas when they are priced out of cities like NYC or San Fran. I'm not kidding when I tell you there are towns full of people that are questionably 'high functioning' with whatever their mental issue is. I would not be surprised if there are 1 million or more people like Chris living in America right now on disability, throwing back sodas and buying DLC for video games that they will never buy. Centuries ago these people would simply die off but now they are allowed to live for 40 years or so until their bad diets, addictions, lack of exercise etc kill them. Sometimes I think we really should just put them down or make it illegal for them to reproduce but forutnately it is not my responsibility to make those sorts of decisions. That's on the government and above that God.

 

[Beautiful Border]

The other thing I should mention is that many severly disabled adults with Autism are able to talk and hold conversations like 'normal people' but they just seem a little bit off. Chris is like this and I think most people see that he's able to communicate and use a computer and think "oh man this guy isn't r*tarded" he's not drooling on himself of shitting his pants as an adult (which Chris actually does) lets bully him because he gets disability - he's just a lazy asshole - he needs to work and contribute to society". But in reality Chris is just as disabled as someone wearing a bike helmet in a wheelchair. You could make the argument that had his circumstances been different he may have turned out differently but those days are long gone. It's a nature vs nuture kind of argument that is now irrelevant. Chris will never be able to take care of himself, and he has shown that he is incapable of making important decisions on his own. Had he had actual parents he would have been able to recieve the life assistance that he needs early on and he probably would have been able to live a happy purposeful life in a group home. Sadly though, this never happened and the problems have only gotten worse to the point at which he is now an actual threat to the public.

The closest comparison to Chris that I can think of is to a man named Martin Bryant, an Australian mass murderer. I'm not being an A-Log here, I don't think anything Chris has done is comparable to what he did. But descriptions of Martin are eerily similar to ways I've heard people describe Chris - that he seems normal upon first impression, but the more you hear him speak and listen to the things he says the more apparent it is that he's not all there. But this doesn't mean he is harmless, in fact he's quite dangerous because he is smart enough to inflict harm on others, but not smart enough to understand why he shouldn't. This leads to an interesting situation in which people first overestimate his mental capabilities, but when they get to know him a little and it becomes clear something is wrong they then do the opposite and underestimate him - they let their guard down. Does this sound like Chris?

A normal person would understand that drawing pornography of women without their consent or having sex with your senile mother is wrong, but if Chris is capable of doing it then there is a risk that he potentially will.

I can't believe I'm actually giving Chris some props here, but if Chris was as disabled as you've described, then why give him a license to drive? Even though Chris has been documented as being a relatively 'safe' driver with multiple accidents, then according to your description, just like the internet, Chris shouldn't have access to a car.

He probably shouldn't. I don't know where you're from, but America is somewhat notorious in other countries for having very lax requirements for getting a driver's license, combined with the fact that most Americans now drive cars with automatic transmissions which eliminates most of the difficult parts of driving. I don't think Chris would have successfully qualified for a driver's license if he lived in an EU country, for example.

 

[CerealKilla420]

The closest comparison to Chris that I can think of is to a man named Martin Bryant, an Australian mass murderer. I'm not being an A-Log here, I don't think anything Chris has done is comparable to what he did. But descriptions of Martin are eerily similar to ways I've heard people describe Chris - that he seems normal upon first impression, but the more you hear him speak and listen to the things he says the more apparent it is that he's not all there. But this doesn't mean he is harmless, in fact he's quite dangerous because he is smart enough to inflict harm on others, but not smart enough to understand why he shouldn't. This leads to an interesting situation in which people first overestimate his mental capabilities, but when they get to know him a little and it becomes clear something is wrong they then do the opposite and underestimate him - they let their guard down. Does this sound like Chris?

A normal person would understand that drawing pornography of women without their consent or having sex with your senile mother is wrong, but if Chris is capable of doing it then there is a risk that he potentially will.


He probably shouldn't. I don't know where you're from, but America is somewhat notorious in other countries for having very lax requirements for getting a driver's license, combined with the fact that most Americans now drive cars with automatic transmissions which eliminates most of the difficult parts of driving. I don't think Chris would have successfully qualified for a driver's license if he lived in an EU country, for example.

No way would Chris have a drivers license in the EU. I have never been to Europe but as a car enthusiast that posts on international car forums, I understand the requirements and they are incredibly strict compared to the US. The rural southern United States is particularly bad because the attitude there is that the government should not regulate driving at all. I grew up in bum fuck south Georgia and I was driving my Grandfathers truck around town at 10 years old with no license and it was considered completely normal. In those areas children are expected to work on the farm and part of that work involves driving in to town for supplies/driving to the dump to throw stuff away. It's not that dangerous though because all of the roads are two lane only and are almost always completely straight with very few other drivers to run into. Worst comes to worst you drive off the road and your car/truck gets stuck in a ditch and needs to get towed out (which isn't hard considering everyone owns a tractor).

That attitude had its place in early 20th century America where most passenger cars and trucks were incapable of going even 50 miles per hour downhill, but in 2021 when even a Toyota Corolla can do 120mph comfortably it is a completely different situation. To put it in perspective one of the most popular passenger/family sedans in 1965 was the Ford Falcon which made 95hp (which is extremely over-rated tbh power to the wheels was more like 50 realistically) and had a two speed automatic transmission that tops out at around 55mph. To compare that to the modern equivalent Toyota Camry v6 which makes 301hp and has an electronically governed top speed of 135mph.... Obviously there need to be stricter requirements but without the infastructure in place to get the Chris Chans of the world to their shift at Wendys, the service driven US economy would be in much worse shape...

America is so spread out that car ownership is almost a per-requisite for having a job bc there are no realistic public transportation options. In the country though I would argue that Chris Chan is probably more qualified to drive a car than half of the people in his town (I'm not kidding I've seen some really crazy shit).


As for the Martin Bryant thing... All I can say is that it's a cold world and so much of this stuff falls in kind of a moral gray-zone of suffering... Suffering that could be reduced if people like this were just taken care of in one way or another instead of ignored outright or given free checks every month...

It's not a pretty world J.C. - But we all have to make sacrifices...

 

[Pickle Built]

I've known that he ran Snyder over, and I've always been of the opinion that Chris shouldn't have a license. Cherry picking that one sentence and calling me a ween invalidates your previous post.

So you unironically called someone who has ran maliciously ran someone over

a relatively 'safe' driver

So I take it back your not a ween
Your just dangerously stupid/making the understatement of the century with those qoutations

 

[Beautiful Border]

So you unironically called someone who has ran maliciously ran someone over

So I take it back your not a ween
Your just dangerously stupid/making the understatement of the century with those qoutations

Sorry, but why should we take anything you say seriously when you don't even know when you're supposed to use "you're" instead of "your"? Are you even old enough to use this website?

 

[BigTubboWithLittleChina]

Also, Chris did not run Snyder over. He bumped into him with the car. There's even some dispute as to whether this was a deliberate attempt on Chris's part or as to whether he panicked like a wuss and inadvertently jogged Snyder with Son-Chu. Given that Snyder was more or less physically unharmed and was even willing to soften the case against Chris afterwards, I'd say that 'running him over' is something of a melodramatic exaggeration. Not excusing what happened, just pointing out that accounts have been much exaggerated and usually presented to show Chris in the most brutal and calculating light possible when most available evidence points elsewhere.

 

[Yamcha's Only Fan]

Not only does Chris remind me of the severely disabled autistic adults that I would work with, he also reminds me of the adult 80s crack babies that would go to the school. I'm not saying that Chris is a crack baby but Barb and Bob were obviously severe alcholics (a point that many seem to overlook) and there's no doubt that Barb was drinking during her pregnancy. Many of the FAS/Crack children as adults would exhibit psychopathic or NPD patterns of behavior but most were not really "there" enough to think of any sort of scheme beyond "let me steal an extra cookie" or something similar.

You know, I never considered this at all. But it totally aligns with the behavior chris's parents have shown us. Barb in particular. kudos on making me think chris's parents were even shittier than before.

 

[BartSampson]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the pieces are all being put into place now. With all of the other nutty shit going on in the world today, is it really that hard to believe that CWC is actually the second coming of Christ?

 

[anti SJW]

I heard Chris got 18 out of 20 on his driver's license test.

Two people jumped out of the way.

 

[Ophelia]

Barb hit Snyder too. It was a clusterfuck of bad driving.

 

[Some Badger]

Killing himself would mean that he might not get all of that. His genuine greed will always outweigh any theoretical suicidal tendencies that he might have. Also, he doesn't have the stones to An Hero himself. (NB to avoid misinterpretation, no, I'm not saying that suicide is an act of astounding bravery or courage. Simply that it does imply a certain self-destructive resolve which Chris doesn't possess.)

Don't forget the obvious fact that Chris is a lazy coward. You gotta work up a lot of nerve to try and off yourself, let alone go through with it. He's also so averse to doing anything physically uncomfortable that it wouldn't be surprising if he was extremely averse to anything that may potentially be painful, even if it was just the prick from a flu shot.

Witnessing Chris nearing the end of his life will be... interesting, if it's even documented at all. I can't begin to fathom the kinds of things he'll ramble about as the reaper slowly takes him.