Cultcow Russell Greer / Mr. Green / @ just_some_dude_named_russell29 / A Safer Nevada PAC - Swift-Obsessed Sex Pest, Convicted of E-Stalking, "Eggshell Skull Plaintiff" Pro Se Litigant, Homeless, aspiring brothel owner

[FernandoPooTragedy]

I just had a terrifying thought. There is one avenue of entertainment where Russ could arguably do "well": Reality TV. And no, not competitive reality TV.

Hear me out on this:

You take the absolute sleaziest, morally bankrupt producers from TLC or Discovery+. No, not even MTV. 16 and Pregnant and Teen Mom are horrible, but they have nothing on the pedo and borderline human trafficking fodder of a Toddlers and Tiaras, 19 Kids and Counting, 90 Day Fiancé, or Sister Wives. So you take their worst - Either the Here Comes Honey Boo Boo/Toddlers and Tiara people or the people who gave Jim Bob Duggar yet another show (and made sure that Jim Bob was the only one who got paid). And you have them go up to Russ and tell him they want to do a in-depth "docu-series" about the plights of Moebius Syndrome and his "inspirational" campaigns to legalize sex work, fix celebrity representations, be a stud, find love and destroy evil internet trolls. Then... just put a camera on him. Just like they did with Big Ed, who thought anyone would think he just wants to find love. Or with Mama June, who thought people just wanted to have some big ol' innocent redneck fun with her and her family!

You wouldn't have to pay much. Reality TV is not that expensive to film. Give Russ a couple of goodies: a gym membership complete with a personal trainer (female, toothy, armed with pepper spray, martial arts training and full knowledge of what she is getting into. Think of the 18 year old lure girl from To Catch a Predator who looked 12), studio time, maybe a couple of concert tickets, a new apartment, and/or a new piano. Maybe even some office space for his PAC and meetings with a couple actual SWer advocates (also forewarned to some degree). They'd have to make it convincing that they're giving him the chance he thinks he deserves.

Put a camera on him and let him talk (making sure that everything is subtitled, of course). Maybe he'll later try to sue them for "misrepresenting" him, but that would arguably even end up being profitable for TLC if they use it for content as well.

Yes, this is disgusting, but TLC is the network that gave millions to a family that forced their daughters to live with/forgive their rapist, so it's not like ethics matters.

Viewers will initially be drawn in with the promise of an "inspiring" story and be inclined to sympathy upon introduction. Maybe even the hooker thing will seem kooky and pitiful at first. Two episodes later, he's the new Big Ed.

Granted, this will at best last all of 6 months to a year. But it would make someone quite a bit of money.

You could arguably do this with a lot of lolcows here. And before anyone says "Russ probably spends most of his time lying around." That's actually most reality stars. Like I said, the show would have to spring for a couple things to push some events, but it would not require much, because Russ always manages to make everything into an absurd disaster.

Entire 20 minute episodes filled with files in grocery bags, his dancing, Russ posing for #coolguy Instagram pictures, and visits to the strip club with dollar store flowers. Yes, the drool and grime would be repulsive but no more repulsive than anything on my 600 LB Life or Dr. Pimple Popper.

And yes, this would likely result in a lot of hand-wringing by virtue-signaling pundits who will assume he's mentally impaired. The Moebius Community would be justifiably horrified, along with a lot of disability rights groups. And it would be sleazier than Russ's hair. But that's never stopped a reality show before.

It would get huge press just on "the discourse" alone. It would be crafted to spark as much controversy as possible.

Sorry, I was reading about the Duggar case and my mind went to a very dark place.

 

[The Dude]

Which is odd because having hobbies would allow him to expand his sphere social influence and have contacts in various fields because of it.

Normally, yes. But Russhole's mind doesn't operate the same way as the mind of a normal person. He doesn't view hobbies and interests as a way to personally connect with other people. He doesn't see the opportunity of meeting someone and starting new relationships by going places (unless it's a brothel, the one place you'd expect NOT to find someone you can begin a genuine relationship with). He doesn't even go out trolling singles bars. And to top everything off, Russ expects them to come to him. He will make some token gesture to signal his interest (sending a DM/sending a dollar on Venmo/sending a Starbucks gift card/giving a bouquet of gas station flowers/writing and sending a 90 second song), but once that token has passed from his hands he fully expects the woman to come pound on his door until she breaks the door down, then jump in his lap (and his bed). Russ not only fails to see the value of having hobbies and interests and how they can make someone a more interesting and well-rounded person, but he also fails to recognize how going out to enjoy those hobbies and indulge those interests could provide opportunities to meet new people and have a potential launching point for a new relationship. Ironically, it would go a lot further to obtaining at least a couple of his goals (find woman and get sex) than any of the half-assed, hairbrained, unrealistic schemes he dedicates his free time to.

 

[Pip Squeak]

But remember, Russtard is lazy and quarter-assed on top of being a narc.

He does NOT want what he says he wants--not really. The music industry, like fashion, art, and even daily comic strips, is an endless black hole that needs constant fresh content to dazzle its consumers pushed over its event horizon. On a DAILY basis. Nonna this "SLUURP, it took me two years to write Moves Like Heidi Klum." shit. No, greasy gourd, you WILL be CHAINED to that beat up Korg that's barely teetering on two milk crates in your filthy hovel. You WILL be hounded by your agent, record execs, recording studio, tour organizers, individual show coordinators, small and large venue coordinators, and whoever else to GET WORKING. And then he'll slurp and bitch and pip and squeak about how harrrrrrrrrrd it is!!

Screenplays? Same shit, different coat of paint. And he WILL capitulate to changes made by Weinstein or whatever new sexpest is running Hollywood these days (competition for the greasy gourd). He WILL capitulate to changes the director wants. Hell, they did it with GREAT short stories like 1408, they'll do it to Meatballs 2: Electric Holocaust.
Even the likes of Burt Bacharach had to work hard and relentlessly--and with greats like Dionne Warwick while knowing his face won't be the one seen or remembered. And...I think he's done just fine. I have a couple of Bacharach compilations on my iTunes.

The first instance he quarter-asses a song or a screenplay, he is OUT. ON. HIS. ASS. with his missing HDMI cable and his plastic grocery bag. Back to slurping Costco muffins and Malt O Meal bagged cereal with chocolate milk like the homunculus he is. But, for me, that's always been one of my favorite reasons to follow Greer: His delusions of grandeur--where will it go next?

I don’t think he’s either lazy or half assed, he just doesn’t see room for improvement, he’s already that fucking perfect.

Anyone trying to help or advise him to improve is blocked out because he perceives it as criticism and therefore bullying. On top of which, if they don’t see how fucking perfect he is they’re discriminating against him or just stupid.

His work ethic is pretty good, he definitely has drive and ambition. Mom and Dad Greer furnished him with those skills and attributes but seem to have also nurtured an entitled and insatiable narcissist with no notion of personal responsibility.

TL;DR: He’s just an insufferable cunt when all is said and done.

 

[The Dude]

I don’t think he’s either lazy or half assed, he just doesn’t see room for improvement, he’s already that fucking perfect.

Anyone trying to help or advise him to improve is blocked out because he perceives it as criticism and therefore bullying. On top of which, if they don’t see how fucking perfect he is they’re discriminating against him or just stupid.

His work ethic is pretty good, he definitely has drive and ambition. Mom and Dad Greer furnished him with those skills and attributes but seem to have also nurtured an entitled and insatiable narcissist with no notion of personal responsibility.

TL;DR: He’s just an insufferable cunt when all is said and done.

I definitely agree with you, but I think it's important to again mention that we have no idea how the Greers raised Russhole or what his life was like as a child. We have few insights into Russ' life before the first Swift lawsuit, and even fewer insights into his life before his mission. A few people who knew Russ (or claimed to know him) when he was still living in Evanston have made comments here and there on various forums, social media platforms, and comment sections on news articles about Russhole's behavior and how he was viewed by his peers, such as the bathroom kill list and his subsequent first arrest. However, no one has yet to come forward to discuss Russ as a child in elementary school or convey how the Greers parented Russ. Until someone who was actually there and was a firsthand witness to how little Russ was raised by the Greers comes forward to lay it all out for us, everything is just speculation and educated guesses on our part.

The assumption that the Greers were soft and coddling towards Pipsqueak is definitely a reasonable one to make, given the numerous examples of other people with similar shitty behavior and attitudes as Russ having been spoiled and coddled as children. However, it's important to note that the Greers successfully raised all their other children to become decent, respectable, productive adults who went on to fully integrate into society and be normal, healthy, happy adults with rich, full social lives complete with romantic partners. It is equally reasonable to consider that the Greers did their level best to raise Russhole to become a decent normal person, including ensuring that Russ had clear and healthy boundaries and structure in his life, was held accountable for unacceptable behavior, and tried hard to get him to understand that he was no more special or important than anyone else and not deserving of preferential treatment. And yet despite all the effort and pains the Greers went to, none of it stuck with Russhole because he was just born fundamentally broken.

I would also like to point to the video Russhole made to address who he thought was Katy Perry's assistant, specifically the part where Russ brings up his family, complaining how they're always "pushing him". Which to me sounds like Pipsqueak complaining that his parents were actually, y'know, being good parents by pushing Russ to end his foolish "get famous" schemes, stop "wooing" pop starlets, and quit everything else unrealistic he was obsessing over that had no hope of success so that he could focus on reality and hopefully salvage something of note from his life while he was still young. To me,, Russ bitching about the Greers pushing him was strong evidence that his folks haven't been as accommodating and coddling as some have suspected, and definitely weren't inclined to humor Russhole's delusions. We're all entitled to cling to our pet theories about how Russhole grew up and believe what we want, but I just thought it important to remind everyone (especially newer friends who only recently became interested in Shit-Lips) that we know nothing for certain regarding Russhole's life growing up with the Greers or how they went about parenting him.

 

[Cheesegirl78]

I definitely agree with you, but I think it's important to again mention that we have no idea how the Greers raised Russhole or what his life was like as a child. We have few insights into Russ' life before the first Swift lawsuit, and even fewer insights into his life before his mission. A few people who knew Russ (or claimed to know him) when he was still living in Evanston have made comments here and there on various forums, social media platforms, and comment sections on news articles about Russhole's behavior and how he was viewed by his peers, such as the bathroom kill list and his subsequent first arrest. However, no one has yet to come forward to discuss Russ as a child in elementary school or convey how the Greers parented Russ. Until someone who was actually there and was a firsthand witness to how little Russ was raised by the Greers comes forward to lay it all out for us, everything is just speculation and educated guesses on our part.

The assumption that the Greers were soft and coddling towards Pipsqueak is definitely a reasonable one to make, given the numerous examples of other people with similar shitty behavior and attitudes as Russ having been spoiled and coddled as children. However, it's important to note that the Greers successfully raised all their other children to become decent, respectable, productive adults who went on to fully integrate into society and be normal, healthy, happy adults with rich, full social lives complete with romantic partners. It is equally reasonable to consider that the Greers did their level best to raise Russhole to become a decent normal person, including ensuring that Russ had clear and healthy boundaries and structure in his life, was held accountable for unacceptable behavior, and tried hard to get him to understand that he was no more special or important than anyone else and not deserving of preferential treatment. And yet despite all the effort and pains the Greers went to, none of it stuck with Russhole because he was just born fundamentally broken.

I would also like to point to the video Russhole made to address who he thought was Katy Perry's assistant, specifically the part where Russ brings up his family, complaining how they're always "pushing him". Which to me sounds like Pipsqueak complaining that his parents were actually, y'know, being good parents by pushing Russ to end his foolish "get famous" schemes, stop "wooing" pop starlets, and quit everything else unrealistic he was obsessing over that had no hope of success so that he could focus on reality and hopefully salvage something of note from his life while he was still young. To me,, Russ bitching about the Greers pushing him was strong evidence that his folks haven't been as accommodating and coddling as some have suspected, and definitely weren't inclined to humor Russhole's delusions. We're all entitled to cling to our pet theories about how Russhole grew up and believe what we want, but I just thought it important to remind everyone (especially newer friends who only recently became interested in Shit-Lips) that we know nothing for certain regarding Russhole's life growing up with the Greers or how they went about parenting him.

I do agree with you on this, but the other Greer children weren't born with the disfigurement Russ has, so he may HAVE been coddled more.
But none of us will know for sure unless a family member comes here to tell us how he was raised.

 

[TractorGirl]

I just had a terrifying thought. There is one avenue of entertainment where Russ could arguably do "well": Reality TV. And no, not competitive reality TV.

Hear me out on this:

You take the absolute sleaziest, morally bankrupt producers from TLC or Discovery+. No, not even MTV. 16 and Pregnant and Teen Mom are horrible, but they have nothing on the pedo and borderline human trafficking fodder of a Toddlers and Tiaras, 19 Kids and Counting, 90 Day Fiancé, or Sister Wives. So you take their worst - Either the Here Comes Honey Boo Boo/Toddlers and Tiara people or the people who gave Jim Bob Duggar yet another show (and made sure that Jim Bob was the only one who got paid). And you have them go up to Russ and tell him they want to do a in-depth "docu-series" about the plights of Moebius Syndrome and his "inspirational" campaigns to legalize sex work, fix celebrity representations, be a stud, find Loveland and destroy evil internet trolls. Then... just put a camera on him. Just like they did with Big Ed, who thought anyone would think he just wants to find love. Or with Mama June, who thought people just wanted to have some big ol' innocent redneck fun with her and her family!

You wouldn't have to pay much. Reality TV is not that expensive to film. Give Russ a couple of goodies: a gym membership complete with a personal trainer (female, toothy, armed with pepper spray, martial arts training and full knowledge of what she is getting into. Think of the 18 year old lure girl from To Catch a Predator who looked 12), studio time, maybe a couple of concert ticket, a new apartment, and/or a new piano. Maybe even some office space for his PAC and meetings with a couple actual SWer advocates (also forewarned to some degree). They'd have to make it convincing that they're giving him the chance he thinks he deserves.

Put a camera on him and let him talk (making sure that everything is subtitled, of course).

Yes, this is disgusting, but TLC is the network that gave millions to a family that forced their daughter to live with/forgive their rapist, so it's not like ethics matters.

Viewers will initially be drawn in with the promise of an "inspiring" story and be inclined to sympathy at first. Maybe even the hooker thing will seem kooky and pitiful at first. Two episodes later, he's the new Big Ed.

Granted, this will at best last all of 6 months to a year. But it would make someone quite a bit of money.

You could arguably do this with a lot of lolcows here. And before anyone says "Russ probably spends most of his time lying around." That's actually most reality stars. Like I said, the show would have to spring for a couple things to push some events, but it would not require much, because Russ always manages to make everything into an absurd disaster.

Entire 20 minute episodes filled with files in grocery bags, his dancing, Russ posing for #coolguy Instagram pictures, and visits to the strip club with dollar store flowers. Yes, the drool and grime would be repulsive but no more repulsive than anything on my 600 LB Life or Dr. Pimple Popper.

And yes, this would likely result in a lot of hand-wringing by virtue-signaling pundits who will assume he's mentally impaired. The Moebius Community would be justifiably horrified, along with a lot of disability rights groups. And it would be sleazier than Russ's hair. But that's never stopped a reality show before.

It would get huge press just on "the discourse" alone. It would be crafted to spark as much controversy as possible.

Sorry, I was reading about the Duggar case and my mind went to a very dark place.

I would watch the shit out of this!

 

[FernandoPooTragedy]

I have some thoughts on all of this, some of it speculative, admittedly.

I feel like his approach to hobbies and pursuits are best exemplified in his educational record and music.

Russ is good about doing the barest minimum, especially when it comes to keeping himself alive. So, yes, unlike a lot of cows, he does understand that he needs to work at some sort of job. And since he has exhausted all of his avenues to mooch, it makes sense. We know his parents paid his way through college on the condition that he complete his mission. We know how the mission went. And the two year program took Russ five years to complete. Normally that doesn't mean much. Tons of people take longer to complete higher education due to family constraints, illness, finances, or whatever. But there's no evidence that he was, say, supporting himself to a huge degree when he was in school. He wasn't sick. His family members weren't sick. So... yeah, it reads to me like a situation where he did the bare minimum to stay a student and wore out his parents' help as long as he could. We know his parents paid his lawyer for the stalking charge, and it's likely they help him keep afloat to some degree. But after college, most of their financial support was done. Pretty basic. Russ said his family urged him to go to law school, but he didn't. It's possible that was just him lying to exaggerate his "legal knowledge" but it's also possible. If they did, he either didn't go due to a lack of drive, a lack of qualifications (and willingness to become qualified), or finances. But Russ likely could have gotten assistance from Uncle Sam based on his disability and student loans. But he didn't bother.

Aside from his parents, Russ has burned every bridge in his life, so he has no one else to mooch off of (he can't even get his sister to buy his lunches anymore).

I feel like a lot of stock is put in the fact that AFAWK, Ratmouth doesn't have a Tugboat. Or, at least, a government one. That's a fair instinct to work on, granted, but it's a pretty flawed one.

I know this isn't true across the board, but in my experience, middle class conservatives tend to be really wary of taking government assistance like loans, SNAP, etc. And it would not shock me if the Greers instilled that instinct in him enough that he's willing to work just enough to keep himself off government assistance.

Even if that were not the case, there are also the hookers. If Russ were on benefits, he's have to answer for his expenses to some degree, and somehow I doubt the welfare office is fine with a disability check going to the Bunny Ranch. Russ doesn't just buy sex, remember, he has to broadcast it everywhere that he does. And yes, welfare fraud exists, but it's seen a decline over the years and there is only so much you can get away with, especially in the social media age. Even the laziest caseworker couldn't turn a blind eye to a recipient posting about his visits with Dennis Hoff and Ariana Grande meet and greets.

I think Russ has no natural work ethic, only a baseline one put into him by his parents. While the fact that they paid for his lawyer did make me side-eye them, @TheDude is right about their other kids being decent.

While I am sure some coddling happened, we have seen them set boundaries and conditions with him in regards to paying for school and his sister's wedding. Russ was also an eagle scout and while I don't believe he was the straight-A academic star he claims to be in high school, he graduated on time and at least had a decent enough GPA to engage in extra-curriculurs.

My guess? The Greers did make him work for things and probably worked their asses off to try and teach him a work ethic. They probably did "push" him - through speech training, to go to scout meetings and get the badges, learn the piano, student government. Unfortunately, Russ is, at heart, still a lazy fuck. So, once he gained some independence upon turning 18, his effort slowed. Even if he was still living with them, even a 19 year old in their parents' house still has considerably more freedom than he did as a minor. And that includes freedom to do as little as possible. Which he finally had once he could legally vote.

There's still some residual fruit of the Greers' efforts in that he keeps getting jobs. But his old boss at Wal-Mart said himself that Russ was a shitty worker. As a paralegal, he spent company time and resources on his stupid lawsuits. We know his songs are low effort. We know he is unwilling to try working his way through the local music scene and build up his musical career naturally. That isn't just a matter of thinking he's automatically perfect, that is just laziness pure and simple. And, let's face it, the idea of "I don't need to do more, I'm already perfect" is just as lazy as it is narcissistic. He gave the music studio that recorded his song the hilariously vague instruction to "spice it up a bit." If he merely thought the song was perfect as is, he wouldn't suggest anything. He expected other people to fix it for him.

Just as he expects Swift/Perry/Arianna to make him a superstar once he meets them. How he expects the courts to make them want to date him.

A few hundred pages back, Russ released a video clip of himself playing piano. I'm not a musician, but even I could tell his playing was bad based on how he moved his hands alone. And the musical kiwis jumped in to confirm my suspicions. For a guy who has played for over twenty years, his playing is amateurish, even childish, which strongly suggests that he does not practice much at all these days despite considering himself a musician.

Pipsqueak IS lazy --- extremely fucking lazy. He isn't Chris or Amberlynn Reid lazy, but that's a level of sloth that paradoxically takes effort to get to. He has just enough to make himself bounce from crappy job to crappy job (and lbr, applying to minimum wage jobs is easier than ever these days. I could log onto ziprecruiter right now and submit 15 applications in 3 minutes). That's it.

The idea that not being on welfare makes you somewhat hard working is a very flawed one, to say the least.

It's not just that Pipsqueak is a narcissist who thinks he's automatically great at everything, it's that such an idea is always an excuse not to do more.

 

[The Dude]

@FernandoPooTragedy I think Russ was playing his keyboard in that video you're referencing. I believe that's the one where you could actually hear the "thunks" of the keys being hit over the actual musical notes being played, because Russhole was slapping his misshapen stump fingers on the keys like a mentally retarded pimp collecting back-pay from a whore. No skill, no finesse, just beat those keys like a rented redheaded step-mule.

And you make a great point with your comparison of Russhole vs. expert/professional musicians. Russ likely never practices and probably doesn't touch his keyboard unless he's trying to write a new wooing song with wooing lyrics for some female celeb. Expert musicians will spend several hours per week practicing with their instrument to keep their skills honed. Professional musicians who actually make a career for themselves by playing an instrument, like in an orchestra or popular band, spend several hours per DAY practicing to keep their skills at peak performance. Yet with Russhole's unique blend of ego, laziness, narcissism, and entitlement, he expects someone from "The Biz" to come along, pluck him out of his shitty life as-is, and plop him right down in a top tier position with no questions asked, demands made, or expectations expressed. And they should do this because...Russ is just that awesome and inspiring, so he just deserves it more than anyone else.

I don't know what Russ really believes about how the entertainment industry operates beyond him saying things like "It's not what you know, but WHO you know"...but if the entertainment industry actually did work the way Russ thinks it works, I doubt they would get much content produced, and what little they did produce wouldn't be liked (or bought) by anyone, and it wouldn't take long for the whole damn industry to crash in flames like a Zeppelin hitting high-tension power lines.

 

[Flim Flam]

To me,, Russ bitching about the Greers pushing him was strong evidence that his folks haven't been as accommodating and coddling as some have suspected, and definitely weren't inclined to humor Russhole's delusions.

Russ construes being politlety refused or advised as being yelled/screamed at so I'm not going to put too much hope on 'pushing'. Could be something as simple as 'hey Russ, are you going to shine your shoes before church?' that gets interpreted as pushing him to do stuff.

 

[DrJonesHat]

@FernandoPooTragedy the damn reply bug hit your post, but one reason it took him five years to earn a two-year degree is because at certain points, he was working 2 or 3 jobs to earn enough cash to fund his excursion to the brothels. I'm sure academic laziness was part of it, but when he went after that, he acted like he'd accomplished something great and deserved accolades for it. According to Kiwis in the know, Russ doesn't qualify for tardbux because his disability is not one considered to keep people from working. And I think he'd consider such a thing offensive because he sees himself as a hard worker.

One thing I do wonder about is how the hell he scrapped together enough money to fund his Yovanna video, his AGT audition, and other assorted spergery in such a short span of time.

 

[SamTheEagle]

It's been mentioned before, but related to the current discussion on his music, one thing about Russ is that the closest thing to any sort of creative outlet is his songwriting and playing, yet he never does it for its own sake. It's always to achieve an objective, never to create something. And that's pretty damn sad, really.

 

[The Dude]

Russ construes being politlety refused or advised as being yelled/screamed at so I'm not going to put too much hope on 'pushing'. Could be something as simple as 'hey Russ, are you going to shine your shoes before church?' that gets interpreted as pushing him to do stuff.

That very well could be true. My main point is that all we will ever be able to muster is conjecture and educated guesswork regarding on how Shit-Lips was raised until someone with direct knowledge as a firsthand witness comes along to enlighten us. Because of that, pretty much anyone's guess is equally valid and likely. We've just had a history of certain theories getting expressed so frequently and with such conviction that newer or less dedicated Russtafarians wound up accepting them as verified fact. I just wanted to remind everyone, especially newer friends, that we know absolutely sweet fuck-all about Russhole's early life and what parenting methods the Greers used with him when he was a child.

@FernandoPooTragedy the damn reply bug hit your post, but one reason it took him five years to earn a two-year degree is because at certain points, he was working 2 or 3 jobs to earn enough cash to fund his excursion to the brothels. I'm sure academic laziness was part of it, but when he went after that, he acted like he'd accomplished something great and deserved accolades for it. According to Kiwis in the know, Russ doesn't qualify for tardbux because his disability is not one considered to keep people from working. And I think he'd consider such a thing offensive because he sees himself as a hard worker.

One thing I do wonder about is how the hell he scrapped together enough money to fund his Yovanna video, his AGT audition, and other assorted spergery in such a short span of time.

He used his COVID stimulus money. And on top of that, he was also working a full-time job. That's quite a lot of money for one guy living alone, eating cheaply, with few financial obligations aside from rent and utilities, no hobbies, no interests, no materialistic goals, no car, and no social life. Russ getting $15/hr and possibly more, then getting several thousand dollars in CoofBux from the Government? He was able to afford all that, no sweat.

 

[FernandoPooTragedy]

While Nepotism can play a huge role in how some people get big, it is not the ultimate deciding factor like some people think it is. There usually has to be something there for you to get past a certain point. Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world and even he couldn't make his less talented siblings and nephews big. (And before anyone says "Janet", Janet, while not on Michael's level of talent, had his work ethic, good creative instincts of her own, and star power of her own. Meanwhile LaToya...) Nancy Sinatra was a genuine star, while her brother, who literally had his father's first name... not so much. Yoko Ono has thrown all of her clout and considerable business acumen (yes, she has no musical talent and she is an awful person but she is notoriously good at making money and connections) into trying to make Sean big for literal decades, and it's failed. Riley Keough is far more respected in the entertainment industry than her mother ever was, and has had a far more respectable career despite the fact that Lisa Marie is the one with the Presley name. Some people don't even know that Keough is Elvis's granddaughter. There are tons of members of the Coppola family who have tried to become big names, but Sofia and Nick Cage are the only ones to actually get anywhere.

No one gives a shit about the Gerber kids, Anaïs Gallagher,, Katie Cassidy, Cody Horn, Tito Jackson, Gia Coppola, Hank Williams III, Jack Osbourne, or [insert name of celebuspawn wannabe here].

Even if your name is literally Presley or Jackson you STILL have to have SOMETHING to get past a certain point.

Meanwhile, most of the biggest stars ever were plucked out of nowhere --- Britney Spears was from a backwater Louisiana town and paid her dues as a teen ensemble player. Bruce Springsteen was some New Jersey punk. George Michael was a welfare recipient with an unpronouncable name. point. Judy Garland was the third chair in a two cent vaudeville act. The Beatles were playing Berlin strip clubs.

 

[Drowningman]

All of Us KiwI's have friends,families,relationships and various interests.
We go to dinner with people and talk about the news,current events,new neighbors..whatever subject.
Shit Lips would kill any social outing with "I know a great whorehouse' or "I'm filing a new lawsuit"" real quick.
He is damn lucky he got raised by adoptive parents. If he had to grow up in the system, he would been a bigger mess.
To sum him up,He was coddled and given an excuse for his screw ups until it's too late to fix a broken item.
With the baggage he has and his history,the only way a law firm hire him is in another country.
When your reputtion is whores and lawsuits..your future is bleak.

 

[L. Ron Hubbard's Cat]

Russ construes being politlety refused or advised as being yelled/screamed at so I'm not going to put too much hope on 'pushing'. Could be something as simple as 'hey Russ, are you going to shine your shoes before church?' that gets interpreted as pushing him to do stuff.

My guess is that it's somewhere in between. Probably something along the lines of, "Well, good luck with that lawsuit, son. Anyway, what else are you doing with your time? You mentioned maybe applying for a job as a paralegal again. You know, your sister's new husband has some contacts over at such-and-such company and their legal department might be hiring. Oh, you wrote another new song, did you? Well, you should burn a CD for us and send it over."

It's not outright criticism of his lawsuits, but gentle indifference and turning the conversation towards more practical matters. It's not discouraging his music "career," it's recognizing it for what it is: A hobby he puts time, "effort," and money into, but which will never make him famous.

To Russ, that's as good as towering over him, screaming that he's a failure who needs to get a real job and just accept that people are free to treat him like shit because he's disabled and he doesn't even have the recourse of suing them.

The one exception might be him suing the Farms, because they, as his family, are probably incredibly sympathetic to his "plights" here. But even that doesn't mean they're openly encouraging him to sue Josh. Telling him we're just a bunch of bullies who are miserable people with no lives is probably an attempt to get him to move on and ignore the sad Kiwis who just want to be mean, not an attempt to get him to work harder at retaliating. Anyone expressing sympathy or understanding is obviously encouraging him to keep on his current course, to Russ. Erika being nice was practically a wedding proposal, after all.

@FernandoPooTragedy the damn reply bug hit your post, but one reason it took him five years to earn a two-year degree is because at certain points, he was working 2 or 3 jobs to earn enough cash to fund his excursion to the brothels. I'm sure academic laziness was part of it, but when he went after that, he acted like he'd accomplished something great and deserved accolades for it. According to Kiwis in the know, Russ doesn't qualify for tardbux because his disability is not one considered to keep people from working. And I think he'd consider such a thing offensive because he sees himself as a hard worker.

One thing I do wonder about is how the hell he scrapped together enough money to fund his Yovanna video, his AGT audition, and other assorted spergery in such a short span of time.

I agree it's probably the stimulus checks, but I would love it if he won a small amount at a casino -- like a few thousand dollars -- when he first got to Vegas and now thinks he's a professional gambler who can always fall back on that if he fucks up his current job too badly.

 

[Pip Squeak]

I’ve forgotten what we know of his birth family. It would be great if someone with a better memory than me can remind us. I’ve accidentally started on the nature/nurture debate so might as well see it through.

I only remember that the twin sister was some sort of photographer in, I think, California?

 

[L. Ron Hubbard's Cat]

I’ve forgotten what we know of his birth family. It would be great if someone with a better memory than me can remind us. I’ve accidentally started on the nature/nurture debate so might as well see it through.

I only remember that the twin sister was some sort of photographer in, I think, California?

Yeah, iirc, we all assumed that his birth parents were young and poor and that's why then gave him up for adoption, but then discovered they were actually mature, successful, professionals in Hollywood who just didn't want to deal with a homunculus. The birth sister is some sort of photographer, yes, and reasonably successful. I think the parents eventually divorced; I don't know if he ever tracked down/made contact with biodad, but biomom either met or talked with him once or twice and didn't want to pursue a relationship past that. Biosis never knew of his existence until he tracked them down and wanted nothing to do with him at all.

Now, I'm not saying they're all definitely a bunch of narcissists who don't want to associate with a gross disabled person, but that's not an impossible interpretation here.

They definitely have connections in The Biz (what kind of connections and how deep is uncertain) that they aren't sharing with Russ. He 100% wanted Biosis to introduce him to famous people and help his career, I'm sure.

He objectively missed out on a lot by being rejected from Well-To-Do Hollywood Family. That's not to say that Religious Rural Wyoming Family weren't good people who did their best for him and provided him a really good life, but I think any normal person would feel a bit of resentment regardless. And Russ is not a normal person, so this probably still boils is blood to this day.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Yeah, iirc, we all assumed that his birth parents were young and poor and that's why then gave him up for adoption, but then discovered they were actually mature, successful, professionals in Hollywood who just didn't want to deal with a homunculus. The birth sister is some sort of photographer, yes, and reasonably successful. I think the parents eventually divorced; I don't know if he ever tracked down/made contact with biodad, but biomom either met or talked with him once or twice and didn't want to pursue a relationship past that. Biosis never knew of his existence until he tracked them down and wanted nothing to do with him at all.

Now, I'm not saying they're all definitely a bunch of narcissists who don't want to associate with a gross disabled person, but that's not an impossible interpretation here.

They definitely have connections in The Biz (what kind of connections and how deep is uncertain) that they aren't sharing with Russ. He 100% wanted Biosis to introduce him to famous people and help his career, I'm sure.

He objectively missed out on a lot by being rejected from Well-To-Do Hollywood Family. That's not to say that Religious Rural Wyoming Family weren't good people who did their best for him and provided him a really good life, but I think any normal person would feel a bit of resentment regardless. And Russ is not a normal person, so this probably still boils is blood to this day.

When she bluntly told him she didn't want a relationship with him and to stop contacting her, he threatened to sue her. He never did, so he must have decided it wasn't worth the effort. He threatened to sue Erika too for not wanting to be in a relationship with him unless she sat down with a mediator to "work on their friendship(that they didn't have at that point). He clearly believes you can use the courts to force people to associate with you against their will.

 

[Cheesegirl78]

Yeah, iirc, we all assumed that his birth parents were young and poor and that's why then gave him up for adoption, but then discovered they were actually mature, successful, professionals in Hollywood who just didn't want to deal with a homunculus. The birth sister is some sort of photographer, yes, and reasonably successful. I think the parents eventually divorced; I don't know if he ever tracked down/made contact with biodad, but biomom either met or talked with him once or twice and didn't want to pursue a relationship past that. Biosis never knew of his existence until he tracked them down and wanted nothing to do with him at all.

Now, I'm not saying they're all definitely a bunch of narcissists who don't want to associate with a gross disabled person, but that's not an impossible interpretation here.

They definitely have connections in The Biz (what kind of connections and how deep is uncertain) that they aren't sharing with Russ. He 100% wanted Biosis to introduce him to famous people and help his career, I'm sure.

He objectively missed out on a lot by being rejected from Well-To-Do Hollywood Family. That's not to say that Religious Rural Wyoming Family weren't good people who did their best for him and provided him a really good life, but I think any normal person would feel a bit of resentment regardless. And Russ is not a normal person, so this probably still boils is blood to this day.

That's the only thing I feel slightly bad about for him.
His bio-parents kept the normal baby, and got rid of the broken one. That's got to hurt a person terribly.
But he's never gotten any type of counseling to help with that, has he?

 

[FernandoPooTragedy]

That's the only thing I feel slightly bad about for him.
His bio-parents kept the normal baby, and got rid of the broken one. That's got to hurt a person terribly.
But he's never gotten any type of counseling to help with that, has he?

He probably has, actually. But Russ only goes to therapy to look for validation for his delusions so it didn't take.