Meanwhile the Moderna jab, with its identical mechanism of action, is being banned in Nordic countries for any male under 30. So far Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland have all banned the Moderna jab. (https://archive.md/UqI8O/)
Hey, wait a minute. This is from the exact doctor who brought up lethality during the FDA livestream! And look at all of this great info to dig into. Now I might be sleep deprived so I don't really know if @Bad Take Crucifier posted some of this way back when we got into the FDA livestream, but it sure as hell helps to post it again even if we did. This could even be the answer to the desperation our fellow kiwis have had regarding their loved ones suffering from post-viral fatigue as Secret Asshole had mentioned very early on.
From what I gather, Pfizer has the lowest amount of actual mRNA content of any of the mRNA therapies currently on the market in the US. Pfizer has 30 micrograms vs. Moderna's 100 micrograms in each shot, so the total you're getting from 2 Pfizer shots is still less than one single Moderna shot.
Only going to answer this one for now, but it's pretty much all down to the FUD that the government is spreading. No other vaccine approved for human use allows diseases to spread within the vaccinated population at such a high rate. Up until this point, the only truly "leaky" vaccines we have allowed are livestock vaccines, because veterinary immunology is held to practically zero standards.
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Genuinely glad to hear it. In general I don't like the idea of other kiwis getting sick. If we all started getting too ill, be it from vax or Covid itself, then this site would be a ghost town. Who would we laugh at lolcows with then? That aside, great post overall and I'm sorry to hear your country, which seemed to be doing much better than the US on this issue, is starting to follow down the same star-spangled path with regards to enforcement and division.
Shaka Brah addressed this already but I'll just add that originally that was the point of them to begin with and was the reason why were rushed. All the way back in November of 2020 when Pfizer's shots were already being stock piled before FDA emergency approval--before even getting peer reviewed--we were told that we'd no longer need lockdowns or mandates since the vaccines would stop the spread. But like you said, the goalposts have moved a lot since then, and they keep moving.
Personally I refuse and I advise others who aren't in the definite risk category to not get it (hence my elation at the articles Shaka Brah provided above about treatments and precautions) simply because we now know far more about the virus, its mechanisms, its behaviors and its potential lingering effects than we do for the vaccines. Basically I trust my immune system and the science which good doctors across the spectrum have gathered on Covid over against the unscrupulous mechanisms at work with the Covid vaccines.
Last I checked it was actually already achieved in certain countries. In the OP there's a selection of videos which act as a summation and introduction to the subject of the thread. Amid them is a section called "SEVER! Pfizer Statistically Kills More Than It Saves?!". There's two short vids there clipped from an FDA livestream which debated and ultimately concluded on not permitting Pfizer's Covid booster shots for anyone under 65 or so. The second of these vids ends on a direct comparison between Israel and a place in India.
That's fine. It's retarded for people to swing in the opposite direction of the mask-obsessed and start yelling at you for wearing a mask. I've seen a couple vids like that. If someone wants to go around in a hazmat suit or just a cloth covering it's none of anyone else's business. The problem is the mandates, fines and literal arrests.
Still too early to tell but like I said the FDA hasn't approved it for anyone under 65 or so, so I guess we'll see as things progress.
Can we fucking SEPARATE vaccine skepticism from Jenny McCarthy?
Hopefully some day. Back before Covid we were pretty much in agreement over what an anti-vaxxer was and could laugh together about people who thought rubbing tea leaves on themselves in a chanting yoga position protected them from ebola. Now, thanks to the genuine madness of the messaging from governments and media stoking up division and hostility, blurring definitions and censoring truth, people think you're a tea leaf-chanter just because you aren't double-fisting Pfizer into your eyes. Would be nice to return to the halcyon days of just over a year ago. Would be nice if things stopped accelerating so hard we could stop and think clearly again.
Look up "r0 herd immunity". No one knows the percentage for sure because it's a new virus.
No it hasn't, despite what the voices in your head say.
Despite everything that's transpired I genuinely didn't expect them to do something like this. The second article from Haaretz is even more telling in a lot of ways.
Cyber aids.
The trust being gone is the one negative things that's affected me, when I was younger before all this, I went to the hospital, got the treatment I needed, never questioned the doctors or anything. "Sure! that's what I need to do, no problem!" I got better and moved on with my life. I never really thought much about the future, I just took things one day at a time. It's different now, I am at a loss to figure out a way back from the current state.
I just wanted to add to this regarding being anti vax. I can't speak to people like Jenny McCarthy and her ilk because I don't care what so called celebrities have to say about anything. But from my own experiences... I have 2 sons, born 1993 and 2000 respectively. Both had all their shots, but both experienced the exact same symptoms after getting their MMR shot. Within a day of getting that shot, both stopped communicating. Dead stop. My first son, we didn't really know what to make of it. He ended up with speech delays and during his preschool and early grade school years he had to take speech therapy. When our second son had the exact same thing happen to him,his pediatrician chalked it up to being completely normal. But I hadn't seen that happen with either my younger sister or niece, who both had normal speech development with no break or delays. My youngest had it worse. For a few years he had to go thru various speech and physical therapies during his preschool and grade school years. Both are fine now. My youngest still seems to have some emotional issues, but none you'd notice with general day to day contact with him. I'm not anti vax in principal, but you'll never convince me that there were not issues with those MMR shots during those years. I have little trust an big pharma or the government when big $$$ are on the line. For now, I'm waiting this one out.
Wonderful to hear your sons are better and healthy now! Again, that is a subject for another thread but in the OP's very first line I mentioned what anti-vax means--not just "hey, certain vaccines are suspicious because of X" but outright vaccine abolitionism. To be anti-[blank] is to be against [blank]. Anyone who is not against/antagonistic toward vaccines in general is not anti-vax, and anyone who says otherwise needs to crack open a dictionary to learn the words of the language they communicate in.
