Saints Row thread

ZMOT said:
probably, yeah.
in current year you can't have a competent villain whose motives make sense, it needs to be nondescript LE EVIL, featuring a cutscene where they torture babies for some hamfisted LOOK HOW EVIL IT IS, and then he gets defeated by the only slightly less retarded good guys™ tripping over a shovel and falling down a hole or something, send off with a quip.

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I feel like the problem is that most writers nowadays lack vision and are very short sighted. They cant visualize good villains because they think they all fall into the same generic category of puppy strangler black and white. Mostly because they are projecting the people they dont like in VERY unsubtle ways.

Villains need more than evil, they need this attraction towards them. You gotta establish if you are suppose to love to hate them or hate that you dont hate them (like yours handsome truly). In a way, it goes down on how they cant write heroes too, because what is a villain but a dark reflection of the hero? If you cant write heroes, you cant write villains.
 
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The handsome tard said:
I feel like the problem is that most writers nowadays lack vision and are very short sighted. They cant visualize good villains because they think they all fall into the same generic category of puppy strangler black and white. Mostly because they are projecting the people they dont like in VERY unsubtle ways.

Villains need more than evil, they need this attraction towards them. You gotta establish if you are suppose to love to hate them or hate that you dont hate them (like yours handsome truly). In a way, it goes down on how they cant write heroes too, because what is a villain but a dark reflection of the hero? If you cant write heroes, you cant write villains.
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And I think it's also them afraid to "glorify" evil, as they believe that the audience would be influenced by it and become evil, and them legitimately believing the world is simply good and evil with no nuance.
 
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Vault Boy said:
Looks... ok, I guess. Basically more Saints Row 3, which wouldn't be a bad thing if it had likable characters.

Not "relatable", likeable characters that don't give me second hand embarrassment.
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I might play it if it’s steeply discounted… and some modder with weapons grade autism goes in and redoes the characters so that you don’t play as hipsters and faggots.
 
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The saints row games summed up.

Saints row 1 - here is a story about the inner city crime life as we give you a interesting story.

Saints row 2 - Here is a proper sequel to the first game and we still keep the gang theme but add more.

Saints row the third - new city, over the top story, yeah we know it's not realistic or gangsta but we are going for the Kanye rap video feel.

Saints row the fourth - here is the president and alien's guys.

Saints row - Gat out of hell - yeah we know this is the only redeeming quality of saints row 4.

Saints Row™ - respect our developer's pronouns or else.
 
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thismanlies said:
I might play it if it’s steeply discounted… and some modder with weapons grade autism goes in and redoes the characters so that you don’t play as hipsters and faggots.
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The way this is shaping up, you can probably get used copies of the game for about $5 or so.

I just don't see this one doing well, especially after the way Volition deliberately alienated the fanbase.
 
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Vault Boy said:
The way this is shaping up, you can probably get used copies of the game for about $5 or so.

I just don't see this one doing well, especially after the way Volition deliberately alienated the fanbase.
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Come to think of it, didn't Watch Dogs 2 go on sale almost immediately after it was released? I remember Ubisoft was giving away free trial weekends and slashing the price tag repeatedly.

I wish I had a chart to see its price and sales. Then I could compare it to the new Saints Row and watch them race each other to the bottom.
 
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blablabla said:
The gameplay was never a factor.
It's the shitty characters and writing that are going to bury this game
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It will. Metroid: Other M plays decently, but it's fucking hated due to its terrible writing and story.

Fallout76 has similar style of play to the other games, but it's hated due to having no story and for reusing a clunky and old engine.

Last of Us 2 also has the exact same style of play as the first one, and it's fucking hated due to its terrible writing and story.

Hell, 4 is mildly disliked despite being the closest thing to hero gaming since Crackdown.

Story does matter in video games, despite all of the excuses made to deny it.
 
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blablabla said:
I'm playing 2 right now. There is no chance this game Will be better than an almost 15 years old one
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Depends on which version.
If you're playing the console version, yeah.
The PC version is janked without mods, unless the bastards really did update Saints Row 2 to work properly. There was rumor about that, but that rumor eventually turned into Saints Row : Pronoun Edition.

As you play through the game, pay close attention to the world and the amount of things you can
do.

It's the same thing I tell people when it comes to GTA SA vs GTA4 and GTA5.

What is the point of a bigger, better looking world when there's fucking nothing to do in it?
 
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the student loan plot point. Starting a murderous street gang that kills innocent people over student loans is way more evil and psychopathic than anything the original "problematic" Saints from the OG games did.
 
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Ruin said:
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the student loan plot point. Starting a murderous street gang that kills innocent people over student loans is way more evil and psychopathic than anything the original "problematic" Saints from the OG games did.
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Why even bother paying those loans when they're going to break so many laws? If they're willing to engage in murder, drug running, prostitution (fat chance that's in the game after going out of their way to sanitize returning businesses), and racketeering, they're not going to care about paying off the college that scammed them (hell, they'd probably just buy the whole thing and make the professors pay them off for "protection").

I don't even care that they went to college, I just think making student loans a motivation taints the series.
 
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Ruin said:
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the student loan plot point. Starting a murderous street gang that kills innocent people over student loans is way more evil and psychopathic than anything the original "problematic" Saints from the OG games did.
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Don't you get it? It's everyone's fault but their own that they took out tens of thousands of dollars in student loans for a gender studies degree.
 
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Adamska said:
It will. Metroid: Other M plays decently, but it's fucking hated due to its terrible writing and story.

Fallout76 has similar style of play to the other games, but it's hated due to having no story and for reusing a clunky and old engine.

Last of Us 2 also has the exact same style of play as the first one, and it's fucking hated due to its terrible writing and story.

Hell, 4 is mildly disliked despite being the closest thing to hero gaming since Crackdown.

Story does matter in video games, despite all of the excuses made to deny it.
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Story is especially important in a crime sandbox game like this because these games have the tendency to feel all too similar at the core gameplay level. Saints Row 2 wasn't especially mind-blowing gameplay wise, but it's world and characters did give it a unique vibe which was a big contrast at the time to what GTA IV was presenting.

The danger of SR-Reboot is that it might end up playing like a more modernised version of SR2 or 3 and be pretty fun, but in absence of a plot and a cast of characters that's engaging, is the whole package really all that enticing? If it's only appealing on a gameplay level, then unless it's absolutely revolutionary in some way or another, why wouldn't I just stick to SR2 and 3 which I already own instead?
 
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