Global Supply Chain Crisis 2021: Megathread - A cozy thread for watching the supply chain fall apart just in time for the holidays

Should the title be re-worded to expand the scope of the thread?

  • The US Trucking Crisis of 2021 works fine

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  • The US Logistics Crisis of 2021

    Votes: 30 11.2%
  • The US Transportation Crisis of 2021

    Votes: 7 2.6%
  • The US Supply Chain Crisis of 2021

    Votes: 35 13.1%
  • Global Supply Chain Crisis 2021

    Votes: 206 77.2%

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Soft powerlevel here, but I just went to my local Target to get specifically one small thing real quick. They normally close at 10 PM, and when I got there at 8:50 PM a fat security guard woman stopped me from entering and told me they're closing at 9 now -- but didn't say why. She let me go in real quick and grab that single thing I wanted, but there were several security guards patrolling the place and escorting everyone out, and they were really adamant about it.

I don't know if it's because of Columbus Indigenous Peoples Day or if the supply shortages or maybe even labor shortages had something to do with it, but it was really odd and off-putting.

It was only ever like this last year at the height of the WuFlu, but they reverted back to normal hours a few months after March 2020. If it's a labor shortage, how the hell did they cough up so many security guards?
 
It was only ever like this last year at the height of the WuFlu, but they reverted back to normal hours a few months after March 2020. If it's a labor shortage, how the hell did they cough up so many security guards?
That is just their normal asset protection people. Target always shut their doors an hour earlier on Sundays, some time around 2012ish they decided to shift closing time to 11pm for Mon-Sat and Sun to 10pm instead of the original 10pm on Mon-Sat and 9pm Sun. I feel like there has been a wide range of businesses closing early now, I just noticed my local CVS went from 24hr to 9am-9pm, I feel like this is fantastic. More reasonable hours is better for the retail workers for sure.
 
found on /r/conspiracy. not sure if real. I guess we'll see.
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found on /r/conspiracy. not sure if real. I guess we'll see.
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This "Captain Herbert Henry" should be very careful, apparently organizing a strike in the Airline/Rail industry suddenly and without notice is illegal and will have adverse legal effects upon any organization that attempts this. The Union is going after the Airlines over this via legal means, namely that introducing some vaccine mandate suddenly is a violation of the negotiated contract, IF the airline does not revoke the mandate until the next round of contract negiotiations THEN the Union can pull a strike and bend the airlines over the barrel indefinitely until they get what they want. This stuff takes time and interlopers, whether they be real or fake will get in the way of this. The sudden and piecemeal strike was notice for the entire industry to take this seriously, I think it would be better if there was no strikes and it was done the proper way via the union.
 
OP did a better job than most mainstream news
Fantastic work
This kind of shit pisses me off because I was saying this shit for the past year and a half. Now I got more ammo(metaphorically for the glowies that read this thread) to shoot these midwits with
have fun this holidays

Thanks! I've been taking a tiny break while the site's been getting DDOS'd to hell, but I'm still scouring the news and trying to keep abreast of things.

Stay a while and watch it deteriorate with us, fellow gun owner.

Edit: Also, there was rumblings earlier today about the airline thing. It's probably based off this image:
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The Twitter account that originated it.
 
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Speaking of coal, I wonder what would happen if the Centralia fire got too close to an underground oil pipeline. Reckon that's something TPTB have thought of or are they ignoring the possibility?
I'm glad you asked because a few years ago one of my friends did a project on that possibility. It wasn't for oil, but for fracking back when there was a huge push by corporations for it around here.

Pennsylvania literally means "Penn's woods" in Dutch. There are trees goddamn everywhere. Huge, rounded off mountains entirely blanketed with forests. You can't escape them. They're fucking everywhere. You're goddamn surrounded. PA is basically a giant tinderbox. If Centralia were to ignite some other underground fuel source, there's a huge chance the entire state would just go up in flames.

Evacuating would be an utter nightmare. Most people in PA are poor, and live in rural communities in the valleys. They've lived in the same houses for generations, and can't afford to leave if something happens. They don't even know how they would leave. Rural PA is a very hard state navigate, especially if you don't know where you're going, and sometimes even if you do.

It's already very easy to get lost here, especially in the rural areas because the roads twist, and turn, and everything looks the same, and there's nothing, but empty, foggy, forested, mountainous terrain for miles. You know those Liminal Space things? Yeah, that's just rural PA in a nutshell. The cell service also sucks ass up there too (and in this state in general), so good luck calling for help if you do get lost.

Not to mention these roads aren't well maintained, and often just lead to dead ends, or abandoned houses. People can, and do wreck up in the mountains because some deer jumped in front of their car, and they swerved to avoid it, and they end up crashing through a rusted guard rail, and tumbling down a 100ft embankment, or end up stranded because they took a wrong turn, and ended up at some poor dead bastard's decades old abandoned cabin.

Now imagine thousands of panicked, angry, heartbroken, and now destitute people (a lot of them also strung-out on pain pills because oh yeah, the opioid crisis is in full-swing over here) trying to flee at the exact same time through all that when there's also thick, suffocating smoke, and giant walls of fire surrounding, and barreling down towards them.

Yeah. It wouldn't be pretty.

On top of that, Centralia is already a coal fire that is still spreading albeit slowly throughout the state, and it can, and does cause the ground to crack, and cave-in whenever it's done burning through what fuel it's gone through under there.

If an accelerant like oil, or gas was dumped into it too, there's a good chance of that same thing would happen on a much larger scale with the possibility of big landslides occurring because PA is made up of mountains upon mountains of coal, iron, loose rock, and other shit. Yeah, there's a fuckton of trees holding them in place, but that's not gonna mean shit when the ground literally burns out from underneath them.

I don't mean entire mountains would start shearing off, or anything nearly that bad, but all those abandoned mines, and iron, and coal veins that spread throughout the state would start splitting open, and collapsing in on themselves, and bring down whatever ground, or hillside they were under with them.

Those shitty roads I mentioned above? Yeah, a lot of them are also on top of those things. They'd start cracking open like fucking eggs, and people would start falling in like what actually did started happening Centralia.

Lastly, and this was just my friend's absolute worse case scenario, if the oil, or gas, somehow leaks into the Susquehanna river, the entire state is fucked. Most of PA is rural, and gets its water from that river, or one of its branches. If it's contaminated, everything goes to hell. Same thing goes with underground wells. Like I said before, most of PA is rural, and poor, and can't afford to lose their groundwater sources.

I haven't even mentioned all the heritage sites that would just be utterly annihilated if they weren't saved. Houses that have stood there since the very founding on our nation? Gone. Knoebels' Grove with all its priceless, antique, hand-carved carousel horses, and other animals? Reduced to ashes. Gettysburg? Up in fucking flames. All of it destroyed.

Simply put, there was a huge reason fracking, and the like got such a fucking massive pushback in PA, and why people still bristle like crazy at the mere thought of it, or oil drilling ever being a thing here.

Tl;dr: Absolutely catastrophic damage that would make the Californian wildfires look like a cozy bonfire unless it was contained fucking immediately.
 
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This "Captain Herbert Henry" should be very careful, apparently organizing a strike in the Airline/Rail industry suddenly and without notice is illegal and will have adverse legal effects upon any organization that attempts this. The Union is going after the Airlines over this via legal means, namely that introducing some vaccine mandate suddenly is a violation of the negotiated contract, IF the airline does not revoke the mandate until the next round of contract negiotiations THEN the Union can pull a strike and bend the airlines over the barrel indefinitely until they get what they want. This stuff takes time and interlopers, whether they be real or fake will get in the way of this. The sudden and piecemeal strike was notice for the entire industry to take this seriously, I think it would be better if there was no strikes and it was done the proper way via the union.
You seem to assume its actually a good union, that functions as described and actually cares about workers rights and the like. Those might've been common back when governments were weaker on labor issues and employers were more likely to have monopolistic control over employment, but those days are long gone. Modern unions are about 50/50 coinflip with the other side being where they end up being more of an enemy of worker rights and more of a titanic entity that can't be negotiated with than the employers in the industry are. If anything they're vastly more likely to wield the threat of "do as we say or change careers entirely" than any employer ever could.

I don't mean to suggest that is the case here. I don't know if this particular union is functional, or mostly worthless, or actively malignant. However, whichever way that whole thing goes, I'm going to side with the rights of an individual to decide their own personal actions.
 
To bad there is massive wait times on most appliances now. I wonder how hard it is to get canning stuff.

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Just checked Amazon, Bell jars and Weck jars (my preference no BPA top) are easily ordered but canning season has passed. The point of canning is you preserve food when it is overly abundant and cheep (too many tomatoes, too much fruit, too much corn). After that you need a pressure cooker and knowledge. Please don't give yourself botulism. Looking at my local Best Buy I can pick up a drop freezer on Friday. You can order many pounds of beans from Rancho Gordo the bean people with the added benefit that they taste great and keep well. Also might lower your cholesterol if you eat them enough. If you have the space I would recommending picking up a drop freezer and buying meat as it presents itself on sale. No reason to go crazy, but no reason to be completely unprepared either.

In Asia / India people (who can afford it) routinely buy a years worth of rice - protects them from inflation shocks and gets them a deal on the price. Basically we're becoming more like them than they are becoming like us.

That was the true value of Globalism.
 
Just checked Amazon, Bell jars and Weck jars (my preference no BPA top) are easily ordered but canning season has passed. The point of canning is you preserve food when it is overly abundant and cheep (too many tomatoes, too much fruit, too much corn). After that you need a pressure cooker and knowledge. Please don't give yourself botulism. Looking at my local Best Buy I can pick up a drop freezer on Friday. You can order many pounds of beans from Rancho Gordo the bean people with the added benefit that they taste great and keep well. Also might lower your cholesterol if you eat them enough. If you have the space I would recommending picking up a drop freezer and buying meat as it presents itself on sale. No reason to go crazy, but no reason to be completely unprepared either.

In Asia / India people (who can afford it) routinely buy a years worth of rice - protects them from inflation shocks and gets them a deal on the price. Basically we're becoming more like them than they are becoming like us.

That was the true value of Globalism.
Was using ball jars for packaging and the price had exploded. Maybe enough people switched over to alternatives that the price is back down.
 
Can you check camelcamelcamel and report on how reasonable prices were during canning season? I have no expertise on the matter so I can't do it myself.
Yeah, they're nuts. None seem to have history. I'm assuming they're selling smaller packs, but 17.77 for six? Before the pandemic we were paying under a dollar each. I think under $0.50 for a pint, small mouth.
There are no first party sellers with them either. You can do low pressure stuff with regular jars which are everywhere though.
 
Dont know because I'm not a farmer but all the tech and science guides on that reddit are bullshit so I'm gonna doubt about this one.
You can grow a great deal of food with relatively little land - that said, you will not feed your family with a victory garden. You're not going to grow wheat, or oats. It takes years to get an orchard going and even then you are going to have to do chemical warfare with nature's finest.

I'm not saying don't bother, but there is a curve, it's more expensive than just throwing seeds in the ground.

If you were really dedicated all you'd need is an acre of (good) land and you could sustain a family on that. In place like Virginia, PA, Georgia and the like it's possible. Not in Maine, NH, VT, ie places where the top soil is shit and the growing season short.

Was using ball jars for packaging and the price had exploded. Maybe enough people switched over to alternatives that the price is back down.

Weck has always been expensive, they are a better product that a lot of what is on the market. So 19-22 dollars for a glass jar that's going to last you for a decade isn't that bad. They're available directly through weck - don't buy them on Amazon, too many fakes. Shipping is expensive but I don't store things in plastic if I can help it so what can you do? (edit, sorry it's 19-22 for a set of 6 or 12 depending on what you're buying).

I use them to store everything, frozen stock, leftovers, canning, spices. Once you get a good system it's easy to keep it going because it makes finding things simple.
 
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You can grow a great deal of food with relatively little land - that said, you will not feed your family with a victory garden. You're not going to grow wheat, or oats. It takes years to get an orchard going and even then you are going to have to do chemical warfare with nature's finest.

I'm not saying don't bother, but there is a curve, it's more expensive than just throwing seeds in the ground.

If you were really dedicated all you'd need is an acre of (good) land and you could sustain a family on that. In place like Virginia, PA, Georgia and the like it's possible. Not in Maine, NH, VT, ie places where the top soil is shit and the growing season short.
Not saying you cant farm on your backyard just that that specific "blueprint" might be bullshit and you need different plans
 
Weck has always been expensive, they are a better product that a lot of what is on the market. So 19-22 dollars for a glass jar that's going to last you for a decade isn't that bad. They're available directly through weck - don't buy them on Amazon, too many fakes. Shipping is expensive but I don't store things in plastic if I can help it so what can you do?

I use them to store everything, frozen stock, leftovers, canning, spices. Once you get a good system it's easy to keep it going because it makes finding things simple.
Home use, we're still using decades old Ball mason jars. I would stick with them, they're certainly durable enough. 19 for a single jar sounds absolutely nuts.
Edit: Looked at them. If they're pressure rated and that closure holds up, 6 for $20 doesn't seem like a bad deal.
 
Hopefully my fellow kiwis aren’t trying to order anything from overseas. For the unfamiliar, the below chart is an index that represents average prices for bulk materials shipped across a variety of sea routes.

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This is the highest level by far since 2008. Actually, a shit load of commodities are at, near, or exceeding their all-time highs last set circa 2008. I can’t for the life of me remember what happened to the economy the following year…
 
Not saying you cant farm on your backyard just that that specific "blueprint" might be bullshit and you need different plans
Yes, the guide is BS and not practical. For one thing if you're aiming at being self sufficient you should hit crops that give you a better yield - so asparagus is out. POTATOES are in.

The orchard is too close together, everything is going to get sick. 1 apple tree will produce more fruit than a family can easily eat, so why have more than one tree? I guess 1 can get sick and die, so why have them that close together? Most apple trees can self pollinate.

They have a chicken coop next to the home, this is bad because animals are attracted to the coop and you will get rodents.

It's a bad idea. Get more land, spread stuff out. Grow higher yield crops if you can (this will be heavily dictated by where you live and what will grow).
 
Yes, the guide is BS and not practical. For one thing if you're aiming at being self sufficient you should hit crops that give you a better yield - so asparagus is out. POTATOES are in.

The orchard is too close together, everything is going to get sick. 1 apple tree will produce more fruit than a family can easily eat, so why have more than one tree? I guess 1 can get sick and die, so why have them that close together? Most apple trees can self pollinate.

They have a chicken coop next to the home, this is bad because animals are attracted to the coop and you will get rodents.

It's a bad idea. Get more land, spread stuff out. Grow higher yield crops if you can (this will be heavily dictated by where you live and what will grow).
This was probably designed by a simcity autist living in a one-bedroom who never even been to a farm
 
I'm glad you asked because a few years ago one of my friends did a project on that possibility. It wasn't for oil, but for fracking back when there was a huge push by corporations for it around here.

Pennsylvania literally means "Penn's woods" in Dutch. There are trees goddamn everywhere. Huge, rounded off mountains entirely blanketed with forests. You can't escape them. They're fucking everywhere. You're goddamn surrounded. PA is basically a giant tinderbox. If Centralia were to ignite some other underground fuel source, there's a huge chance the entire state would just go up in flames.

Evacuating would be an utter nightmare. Most people in PA are poor, and live in rural communities in the valleys. They've lived in the same houses for generations, and can't afford to leave if something happens. They don't even know how they would leave. Rural PA is a very hard state navigate, especially if you don't know where you're going, and sometimes even if you do.

It's already very easy to get lost here, especially in the rural areas because the roads twist, and turn, and everything looks the same, and there's nothing, but empty, foggy, forested, mountainous terrain for miles. You know those Liminal Space things? Yeah, that's just rural PA in a nutshell. The cell service also sucks ass up there too (and in this state in general), so good luck calling for help if you do get lost.

Not to mention these roads aren't well maintained, and often just lead to dead ends, or abandoned houses. People can, and do wreck up in the mountains because some deer jumped in from of their car, and they swerved to avoid it, and they end up crashing through a rusted guard rail, and tumbling down a 100ft embankment, or end up stranded because they took a wrong turn, and ended up at some poor dead bastard's decades old abandoned cabin.

Now imagine thousands of panicked, angry, heartbroken, and now destitute people (a lot of them also strung-out on pain pills because oh yeah, the opioid crisis is in full-swing over here) trying to flee at the exact same time through all that when there's also thick, suffocating smoke, and giant walls of fire surrounding, and barreling down towards them.

Yeah. It wouldn't be pretty.

On top of that, Centralia is already a coal fire that is still spreading albeit slowly throughout the state, and it can, and does cause the ground to crack, and cave-in whenever it's done burning through what fuel it's gone through under there.

If an accelerant like oil, or gas was dumped into it too, there's a good chance of that same thing would happen on a much larger scale with the possibility of big landslides occurring because PA is made up of mountains upon mountains of coal, iron, loose rock, and other shit. Yeah, there's a fuckton of trees holding them in place, but that's not gonna mean shit when the ground literally burns out from underneath them.

I don't mean entire mountains would start shearing off, or anything nearly that bad, but all those abandoned mines, and iron, and coal veins that spread throughout the state would start splitting open, and collapsing in on themselves, and bring down whatever ground, or hillside they were under with them.

Those shitty roads I mentioned above? Yeah, a lot of them are also on top of those things. They'd start cracking open like fucking eggs, and people would start falling in like what actually did started happening Centralia.

Lastly, and this was just my friend's absolute worse case scenario, if the oil, or gas, somehow leaks into the Susquehanna river, the entire state is fucked. Most of PA is rural, and gets its water from that river, or one of its branches. If it's contaminated, everything goes to hell. Same thing goes with underground wells. Like I said before, most of PA is rural, and poor, and can't afford to lose their groundwater sources.

I haven't even mentioned all the heritage sites that would just be utterly annihilated if they weren't saved. Houses that have stood there since the very founding on our nation? Gone. Knoebels' Grove with all its priceless, antique, hand-carved carousel horses, and other animals? Reduced to ashes. Gettysburg? Up in fucking flames. All of it destroyed.

Simply put, there was a huge reason fracking, and the like got such a fucking massive pushback in PA, and why people still bristle like crazy at the mere thought of it, or oil drilling ever being a thing here.

Tl;dr: Absolutely catastrophic damage that would make the Californian wildfires look like a cozy bonfire unless it was contained fucking immediately.
Just do like the Soviets. Nuke the coal fire out
 
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