Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

Seems like I was right him being Olly's new American lover. I wonder if Olly will make the move to NYC since his boyfriend is planning on doing so within the next year? Based solely off of what I've seen of his Youtube persona - maybe he's normal irl - "Claire" seems rather unhinged to me. I get the vibe that they're both far too narcissistic for their relationship to be harmonious long-term, and I would not be surprised if their relationship ends disastrously in the next year or so. I also expect "Claire" to get jealous over Nyk since Olly is so clearly not over him, and a move to NYC would put Olly closer to Nyk. Again this is based off of watching a few minutes of some of "Claire's" Youtube videos, maybe he's actually rather normal for a troon.

Out of curiosity- do you guys think Claire is a HSTS or an AGP? I haven't made up my mind yet, I could see him being either.

I came across Lawrence's theory on Narcissistic Personality Disorder being more prevalent in AGPs and thought it was interesting, figured I'd post it here since this thread is mostly about Olly's narcissism and blatant autogynephilia:
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Here's the full article: "Shame & Narcissistic Rage in Autogynephilic Transsexualism", written by Lawrence, an autogynephile himself.
They seem a bit naive IMO. I haven't seen much about them apart the videos in this thread but on first impressions, I'd say a submissive HSTS. Generally two narcissists can't make it in a relationship.
 
It’s even worse because “Claire” seems sincere enough. Kinda feel sorry for him. Probably a lost soul. So lost that “there’s power in this” Olly Lennard is an appealing romantic prospect. Cringe.
"I'm kinda proving to my younger self that everything you think about, everything you dream about is actually possible"
No, sweetheart. No. You're getting love bombed by a man who wants to use you as an accessory to get back at his ex. I feel bad for Claire, there's a lot of sadness in her eyes and voice. Pretty classic HSTS tbh

Unrelatedly, is this potential Olly dox? Claire might have been staying in an Air BnB but this area would make sense for him. She's walking down Mildmay Grove I think in the direction of Dalston Kingsland Station, which could suggest Ollie lives in Newington Green. As you can see from the video the area has lots of those lovely Victorian Islington townhouses (normally subdivided into flats) and while still pricey, it's on the cheaper end of Islington.
 
Nigella is a beautiful woman and her sexy cooking schtick was firmly tongue in cheek.
Certainly no bashing her, it was classy and I routinely use many of her recipes, her desserts tend be crowdpleasers.
Just the way types like Olly skinwalk women gives me the heebyjeebies.

Only topped by that Reddit troon that buys used girltoys to hoard in his Little Ones fantasy wank room…💀
 
Claire seems really nice and chill tbh. She has that hunter schafer look and has very feminine mannerisms - HSTS imo. I actually feel bad for her if she is dating Olly the black hole of narcissism. I think that Conta and Olly deserve each other but Claire doesn''t deserve such a fate.
 
Would you be surprised to be find out Hunter Schafer is AGP?
There is also this though (also her dad is a pastor - r e l i g i o n ):

"Hunter started her transition in high school. She was in a public school at the time, and she referred to her transition as a pretty intense experience. Hunter started her transition as a gay person before becoming fully trans. However, she now states that she has a non-binary identity."
https://thenetline.com/the-untold-truth-of-hunter-schafer/ (I dunno if the netline is a valid source tho lol)

I just looked at their wikipedia I saw this other quote "I do like people to know that I'm not a cis girl because that's not something that I am or feel like I am. I'm proud to be a trans person."

Kind of based but then I read that they protested against the North Carolina law which was to uphold single sex spaces... *sigh*
 
All I can think is how Contra said Theryn dumped him because Theryn felt two transwomen together were freaks on the fringe of society with no connection to the normal world.

And well, yeah.

It’s even worse because “Claire” seems sincere enough. Kinda feel sorry for him. Probably a lost soul. So lost that “there’s power in this” Olly Lennard is an appealing romantic prospect. Cringe.
I love theryn lol. The best of all of them.

Claire is a lost soul. Had bottom surgery but refers to her “gender fluality” now. Anyone who is swept up by Olly (esp this version) has a screw loose. When I joined kiwi farms I was actually shocked that he was contra’s “Chad”…. SO disappointing and embarrassing…..
 
Would you be surprised to be find out Hunter Schafer is AGP?
No. Who cares? Personally i don’t really buy into the sharp distinctions some people like to draw between hsts and agp, feels really black and white, but i haven’t thought this through yet.
It’s even worse because “Claire” seems sincere enough. Kinda feel sorry for him. Probably a lost soul. So lost that “there’s power in this” Olly Lennard is an appealing romantic prospect. Cringe.
Yeah 😬 but don’t forget PT is loaded like shit with patreon income. Money turns even the ugliest and most character flawed men into attractive chads in the eyes of certain people. Not saying PT is a man lol but you get what I’m saying I guess.
 

Claire is turning off YouTube comments because of “terf”s

Strange because I didn’t really see many negative comments before… not really a prolific youtuber or anything…..

Sounds like Trans Princess has been planting some ideas in Claire’s head
 
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Would you be surprised to be find out Hunter Schafer is AGP?
Hunter Schafer is not AGP. This is the video cited when people say she identifies as lesbian:


It's from February 2019, when Hunter was dating another MTF model, Massima Desire.

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In the language of gender, when a (trans) woman dates a (trans) woman, that's a lesbian. In the language of sex, it's gay in the other way. You can see why Hunter called herself a lesbian — gender is king in that world — but nothing about this relationship really contradicts Hunter’s story of being a fem gay boy before transitioning.

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According to fans, Hunter and Massima had broken up by August 2019.

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Hunter has not, as far as I can find, said anything about being a lesbian since the breakup.

Not surprised. If he wasn't AGP, he would change his first name. Plus HSTS are usually more shy/introverted/self-conscious. Don't see many of them getting into media/modelling.
I cannot name a single prominent trans woman model who's ever mentioned dating a female person. They're HSTS as a rule, if you want to go by Blanchard's typology.

Teddy Quinlivan:
Don’t you think that, as a society, we’ve forgotten how to meet people in real life?

We have! It’s impossible to really establish those connections with people but I think coming out has really changed my perception. If I can come out to the world publicly on CNN, I can go up to a guy I think is hot and introduce myself. I’ve done the hardest thing that I could possibly do in my life. Plus, I’m sure they’d be thrilled to have a girl come up to them in general—regardless of her birth gender.

Also, for me, dating as a trans woman is already so hard. If you’re smart and funny, guys already don’t like you, but if you’re beautiful, smart and funny, guys really don’t like you. Then, if you’re trans on top of that, you’re just fucked. Also, straight boys are basic as fuck, so I’ve got to serve them the basic fantasy to get what I want.
Andreja Pejić:
Pejic said of her transition: “I never imagined I’d be so public about it. Perhaps if I was in a different profession, I wouldn’t have worn ‘trans’ on my forehead. But there’s a difference between not wanting to make a big deal of something and fearing the effect it will have on my life. It’s all out there now.

“If I go on a date, I don’t have to worry about that moment when he finds out.”

[...]

Pejic had never felt comfortable on the gay scene and is now dating a straight New York real estate agent. She said: “It’s been great. And the best part is that he sees me as just another girl he has a special connection with. It’s nice to have that connection to a world outside activism and fashion.”
Hari Nef:
In her interview, Nef described how she had begun dating straight men, but said she preferred queer men because of their ability to understand gender as fluid and not the definition of who she is.

“At first gay men were all I ever knew how to be attracted to. Now I’m seeing straight men regularly for the first time in my life…I prefer men who are queer. Not gay men, but queer men – guys with an open mind. Bisexual men, because they’re able to understand the different elements of the body without judging that I don't conform to a certain ideal.

“In order to really connect with someone I can’t have this gender cloud hanging over me. When I ignore it, people tend to ignore it as well. The more causal I am about this stuff, the more casual other people are.”

Models start young, usually in their teens. Very few manage to break out as adults. The vast majority of young male transitioners were feminine and androphilic from childhood, so it would be quite unusual to see a model who fits the AGP type.
 
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googled hunter schafer....

what the fuck is with these trans ppl and their misguided ramblings about psychiatry

seriously shut the fuck up, you're not an expert by virtue of feeling sad and lost


 
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He's so annoying. Just go to your silly little protest, no one actually thinks you're the "trans princess of terf island". Literally no one cares if you're just showing up to a protest and not acting like an retard while you're there.20211016_114205.jpg

Also what's a "spicy" charity? Is he secretly donating to men's rights groups or what?
 
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All I can think is how Contra said Theryn dumped him because Theryn felt two transwomen together were freaks on the fringe of society with no connection to the normal world.

And well, yeah.

It’s even worse because “Claire” seems sincere enough. Kinda feel sorry for him. Probably a lost soul. So lost that “there’s power in this” Olly Lennard is an appealing romantic prospect. Cringe.
ugh, that video is sad, she seems really loved up.
would that Olly would make sure his new squeeze is actually some sort of mostly contractual affair- enforceable distance, boundaries to hastily reerect if need be- the controlling narcissus preferred territory ground.

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Also what's a "spicy" charity? Is he secretly donating to men's rights groups or what?
“five people in the background get doxed” lmao mf no one is even bothered enough to dox you.
 
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Also what's a "spicy" charity? Is he secretly donating to men's rights groups or what?
Considering he's the Troon Princess of TERF Island I'd say it's something along the lines of Gender GP.
Is this some kind of joke I'm not getting, or did he actually say that he's biologically female?
He actually said it - there's another loony troon spewing such pseudoscientific bollocks like estrogen turned him female on a cellular level so he's biologically female.
I'm not sure if he meant it but Olly sure said it.
 
You will find a surprisingly large range of opinions relating to transgender issues in threads like this. Threads related to trans stuff tend to have the 'are there true trans people or not?' argument every couple of weeks or so and it never goes anywhere. We also have plenty of posters who come in and say 'ALL TRANNY RETARDS SHOULD DIE ALSO GAS THE KIKES' or whatever but that is a consequence of a forum with a lax moderation policy about stuff like that, and you can just ignore them unless they are causing major disruption to the thread.

You are likely getting negrated not just by people who disagree with what you are saying but by people who agree with you, because your post comes off as if the idea of 'maybe some trans people are good?' is something no one here has ever considered before, like you are here to enlighten all the benighted KiwiFarmers who would have never thought of such a thing. In reality most people here have learned to agree to disagree about stuff like the existence of 'true trans' as long as we are free to keep laughing at Olly's terrible videos.
How about we say there are 3 genders and get back to work: men, women, and annoying faggots. This thread is ruined enough with taking all this nonsense seriously.
 
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He's so annoying. Just go to your silly little protest, no one actually thinks you're the "trans princess of terf island". Literally no one cares if you're just showing up to a protest and not acting like an exceptional individual while you're there.View attachment 2631841

Also what's a "spicy" charity? Is he secretly donating to men's rights groups or what?
This is so typical of PT, he relates everything back to his own sense of fame which of course feeds his ego. Essentially he's saying he's simply too famous to go to these events! His luminous presence will invariably draw vast amounts of attention and gawking onlookers tripping over each other to get a glimpse of our Olly, and the poor peasants who might have a shoulder visible in a background photo will have to handle the crumbs of attention that will bring just from pure proximity, which of course will be far beyond anything they can handle regardless.
 
I love theryn lol. The best of all of them.

Claire is a lost soul. Had bottom surgery but refers to her “gender fluality” now. Anyone who is swept up by Olly (esp this version) has a screw loose. When I joined kiwi farms I was actually shocked that he was contra’s “Chad”…. SO disappointing and embarrassing…..
not a fucking chance was olly Chad. contra is not that fucked to think it


Claire is turning off YouTube comments because of “terf”s

Strange because I didn’t really see many negative comments before… not really a prolific youtuber or anything…..

Sounds like Trans Princess has been planting some ideas in Claire’s head
interesting- her speech, or rather he way it changes, at around three minutes in- the lowering, slowering quasi hypnotic nature of the affect; is EXACTLY how Tube has started talking when he gets to his "main point' of his pointless propaganda pieces now.
I know she's a/his voice coach, but thats not so much voice, as affect. He's done the classic thing of just wholesale stealing her personality
 
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