Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)
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I'm going to believe it when I see it. Until some politicians and their cronies are swinging in the breeze, I won't believe that election security is a priority. Fraudulent behavior undermines the core component of a stable government and weakens the nation as a whole, which is tantamount to treason. It can do nothing but stir up strife and foment rebellion among the citizens.
The only reason that people submit themselves to the rule of law is the expectation that it is done fairly and impartially.
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You mean like the video of Ruby Freeman running the same stack of ballots through the ballot machine 4 times in a row?
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Kind of...Still waiting on her deposition if I recall correctly. It was supposed to be in June but they delayed it. Not sure if it happened but a quick search does not find anything.
There have been prosecutions related to the not-widespread fraud but that is not quite what I mean.
I suppose the problem is that lower level people have been caught and the media just avoids talking about it.
Was probably a poor colloquialism to use. What needs to happen is someone needs to get caught organizing and I do not mean someone saying they are paying a few people to vote. I mean a recording of a meeting or call where someone is telling someone to go stuff that ballot box. That is the person that needs to be caught in the act. That would present the MSM with a difficult task and they seem to be fumbling more and more these days.
Call me a tin foil hat wearer but when I see that there are tens of thousands or millions of votes that manifested under questionable circumstances I kind of doubt it was due to the independent actions of thousands of random people.
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Yes, both because of the fact that various state level GOP groups have been passing various electoral security/integrity laws and also because electoral fraud actually isn't an "Win all elections when you do it" button. If, for example, Biden. Harris or whoever go into the 2024 election with an approval level below 45, like Biden has now, anyone with an R next to their name has a very real chance of beating them by getting the sort of turnout differential that electoral fraud can not easily overcome. Fraud occurred in every state in 2020, not just the swing states, meaning that fraud has certain practical limits.
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Reads like something straight out of the Moviebob thread.
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An interesting article about Buttigieg, Harris, their donors, and the relationships between them
Buttigieg's 2020 donors are talking 2024. They aren't happy with Kamala Harris' performance and think a contingency plan should be ready in case Biden backs out.
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More than two dozen Democratic donors who want to eventually see the 39-year-old transportation secretary in the White House have been attending secret and informal dinners over the summer and into late September in traditional Democratic money-raising hubs including Washington, Wall Street, and Silicon Valley, a former Buttigieg bundler who is familiar with the meetings said.
They're driven in part by a lack of confidence in Vice President Kamala Harris' performance so far, and some don't think Buttigieg should wait in line behind Harris if Biden opts against running for a second term. Other dinner attendees think Buttigieg is better off waiting until 2028 or even later.
"There have been a number of conversations among donors about trying to push Pete to get into the race if that were to be what wound up happening in 2024 because there is not a lot of confidence behind the vice president at this moment, but there is no question that she would be the heir apparent," the former Buttigieg bundler told Insider.
Insider interviewed a dozen people in Buttigieg's and Harris' fundraising circles about the behind-the-scenes 2024 discussions. Most spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of Democrats wanting to avoid the appearance of planning for 2024 before Biden officially announces his intentions. Almost all those in attendance at the informal dinners were "bundlers" — super fundraisers who coordinate and collect campaign contributions from multiple donors, and among those in the attendance were some who had bundled for Biden.
A Democratic strategist who was informed by people who attended the dinners described the gatherings as "a lot of donors getting into a room and bitching about things. It's a lot less about here's how we get this done."
The donors at the dinners thought Buttigieg wouldn't want to challenge Harris, the strategist said, while adding: "In their estimation, it would take the masses gathering to push him to do it, meaning the donors of the world, the political elites."
But the strategist also said there's a growing sentiment that "there's no map in the universe that exists in which Kamala Harris could possibly win a national election." That person said Buttigieg supporters see him as "our best hope," but they aren't the only donors already rumbling about organizing behind other Democratic candidates who might challenge Harris in 2024.
Harris' vice-presidential team has been under scrutiny after reports about staff dysfunction and unflattering headlines about an immigration interview and her recent appearance in a YouTube video spotlighting space exploration that featured child actors.
"She's in Dan Quayle territory for Christ's sake," one former Buttigieg donor who helped raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the campaign told Insider, name-checking George H.W. Bush's former veep, whom former President Gerald Ford urged Bush to drop from the 1992 ticket after a number of embarrassing public gaffes. "She got herself into that Dan Quayle situation — simply not being taken seriously by her own party, and it's really hard to get out of that one."
Swati Mylavarapu, Buttigieg's former national investment chair, said the donor chatter is just that — chatter.
"Pete is focused on running the US Department of Transportation, delivering the president's infrastructure vision, and being a new dad (to twins!)," she wrote in an email to Insider. "Suggestions otherwise are gossip from people who don't know him."
Another Buttigieg donor told Insider the secretary has long ceased any contact with them since his nomination to last December join the Biden Cabinet. "He's shut that down," this person said. "You don't hear anything from him as a donor. And that's entirely appropriate. Pete people are not out polling."
Planning for '24 — with and without Biden
Democrats are quick to note that Biden has said publicly that he intends to run for president again in 2024, and wants Harris to join him on the ticket. But Biden, 78, was already the oldest person to assume the presidency in January. He'll be 82 if he's inaugurated for a second term on January 20, 2025.
In case Biden isn't atop the ticket in 2024, Democrats say it would be political malfeasance for presidential hopefuls and their allies not to have a backup plan. And it's no secret that Harris and Buttigieg want to hold the top job. They both just campaigned to become president in the 2020 primaries, and they both stand to be historic firsts — Harris as the first woman and Buttigieg as the first openly gay president.
"It would be naive to think that any Democrat planning on eventually being president is not prepared for a number of scenarios in 2024, including the president not running," said a Democratic strategist and veteran of past presidential campaigns.
The GOP polling firm Echelon Insights released a poll this week showing Democratic voters' top contenders for the 2024 primary in a non-Biden field. The poll showed Harris leading with 23% of the Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters, followed by Bernie Sanders with 16% and Buttigieg with 9%.
Steve Phillips, a longtime Harris fundraiser who founded the organization Democracy in Color, said he hasn't seen "that much explicit activity and organizing" among Harris supporters.
"I have not seen any indication or any signs that Biden is more likely to drop out than he is to run," Phillips said. He added that "anybody who wants to be successful in politics should be thinking and planning long-term."
A second Harris donor said they aren't aware of any comparable dinners or concerted organizing around a possible 2024 bid for the vice president. Harris donors are "sad" about the current state of her political operation, that person said. "We're really disappointed that it's falling apart. It doesn't seem to be serving her future."
Buttigieg's office and Harris' office did not respond on the record to requests for comment for this story.
Buttigieg himself has given no public indication that he intends to challenge Harris to be the Democrats' standard bearer in a post-Biden administration, whenever that might be. His confidants insist he's not thinking about his political future beyond his current role as transportation secretary and Harris' colleague on Team Biden.
One person close to Buttigieg dismissed the idea that he's got his eye on a 2024 bid. "It feeds into the narrative that everything he does is calculated, which couldn't be further from the truth," that person said.
Any public indication that Buttigieg or his allies are preparing for a 2024 bid is sure to infuriate Harris loyalists, many of whom see her as their best hope of electing the nation's first woman and first woman of color as president. A primary campaign between two members of Biden's Cabinet could also pose a distraction for the president's policy agenda.
"I think it is politically fraught for anyone closely linked to Secretary Buttigieg to be too aggressive here," said the Democratic strategist who has worked on previous presidential campaigns. "Along with the sensitivities of not getting ahead of President Biden, the sensitivities of not waiting your turn, especially when you would be jumping a potentially historic candidate in the form of Vice President Harris — that would not be well received."
The tension between the Buttigieg and Harris camps dates back to the 2020 presidential primary. "A likable white guy from the Midwest comes out of nowhere. He ran a great campaign, but there's an undercurrent of white privilege," said a former Harris staffer. (Buttigieg and Harris confidants say there is no personal tension between the two high-profile members of the Biden administration at the moment.)
Phillips said any 2024 organizing by Buttigieg's allies "is going to piss off some significant set of people." Harris' devoted followers, known as the K-Hive, are a "very energetic and fiercely loyal constituency," he added. "There's an added element of having seen in lots of other arenas' talented people of color, women of color, women, being passed over by the exciting new white guy with less experience."
— Researcher Hannah Beckler contributed to this story.
- Democrats publicly insist that Joe Biden will run again in 2024.
- But privately, some Democratic donors are preparing for a post-Biden campaign.
- Pete Buttigieg's backers hope he'll run against Vice President Kamala Harris.
More than two dozen Democratic donors who want to eventually see the 39-year-old transportation secretary in the White House have been attending secret and informal dinners over the summer and into late September in traditional Democratic money-raising hubs including Washington, Wall Street, and Silicon Valley, a former Buttigieg bundler who is familiar with the meetings said.
They're driven in part by a lack of confidence in Vice President Kamala Harris' performance so far, and some don't think Buttigieg should wait in line behind Harris if Biden opts against running for a second term. Other dinner attendees think Buttigieg is better off waiting until 2028 or even later.
"There have been a number of conversations among donors about trying to push Pete to get into the race if that were to be what wound up happening in 2024 because there is not a lot of confidence behind the vice president at this moment, but there is no question that she would be the heir apparent," the former Buttigieg bundler told Insider.
Insider interviewed a dozen people in Buttigieg's and Harris' fundraising circles about the behind-the-scenes 2024 discussions. Most spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of Democrats wanting to avoid the appearance of planning for 2024 before Biden officially announces his intentions. Almost all those in attendance at the informal dinners were "bundlers" — super fundraisers who coordinate and collect campaign contributions from multiple donors, and among those in the attendance were some who had bundled for Biden.
A Democratic strategist who was informed by people who attended the dinners described the gatherings as "a lot of donors getting into a room and bitching about things. It's a lot less about here's how we get this done."
The donors at the dinners thought Buttigieg wouldn't want to challenge Harris, the strategist said, while adding: "In their estimation, it would take the masses gathering to push him to do it, meaning the donors of the world, the political elites."
But the strategist also said there's a growing sentiment that "there's no map in the universe that exists in which Kamala Harris could possibly win a national election." That person said Buttigieg supporters see him as "our best hope," but they aren't the only donors already rumbling about organizing behind other Democratic candidates who might challenge Harris in 2024.
Harris' vice-presidential team has been under scrutiny after reports about staff dysfunction and unflattering headlines about an immigration interview and her recent appearance in a YouTube video spotlighting space exploration that featured child actors.
"She's in Dan Quayle territory for Christ's sake," one former Buttigieg donor who helped raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the campaign told Insider, name-checking George H.W. Bush's former veep, whom former President Gerald Ford urged Bush to drop from the 1992 ticket after a number of embarrassing public gaffes. "She got herself into that Dan Quayle situation — simply not being taken seriously by her own party, and it's really hard to get out of that one."
Swati Mylavarapu, Buttigieg's former national investment chair, said the donor chatter is just that — chatter.
"Pete is focused on running the US Department of Transportation, delivering the president's infrastructure vision, and being a new dad (to twins!)," she wrote in an email to Insider. "Suggestions otherwise are gossip from people who don't know him."
Another Buttigieg donor told Insider the secretary has long ceased any contact with them since his nomination to last December join the Biden Cabinet. "He's shut that down," this person said. "You don't hear anything from him as a donor. And that's entirely appropriate. Pete people are not out polling."
Planning for '24 — with and without Biden
Democrats are quick to note that Biden has said publicly that he intends to run for president again in 2024, and wants Harris to join him on the ticket. But Biden, 78, was already the oldest person to assume the presidency in January. He'll be 82 if he's inaugurated for a second term on January 20, 2025.
In case Biden isn't atop the ticket in 2024, Democrats say it would be political malfeasance for presidential hopefuls and their allies not to have a backup plan. And it's no secret that Harris and Buttigieg want to hold the top job. They both just campaigned to become president in the 2020 primaries, and they both stand to be historic firsts — Harris as the first woman and Buttigieg as the first openly gay president.
"It would be naive to think that any Democrat planning on eventually being president is not prepared for a number of scenarios in 2024, including the president not running," said a Democratic strategist and veteran of past presidential campaigns.
The GOP polling firm Echelon Insights released a poll this week showing Democratic voters' top contenders for the 2024 primary in a non-Biden field. The poll showed Harris leading with 23% of the Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters, followed by Bernie Sanders with 16% and Buttigieg with 9%.
Steve Phillips, a longtime Harris fundraiser who founded the organization Democracy in Color, said he hasn't seen "that much explicit activity and organizing" among Harris supporters.
"I have not seen any indication or any signs that Biden is more likely to drop out than he is to run," Phillips said. He added that "anybody who wants to be successful in politics should be thinking and planning long-term."
A second Harris donor said they aren't aware of any comparable dinners or concerted organizing around a possible 2024 bid for the vice president. Harris donors are "sad" about the current state of her political operation, that person said. "We're really disappointed that it's falling apart. It doesn't seem to be serving her future."
Buttigieg's office and Harris' office did not respond on the record to requests for comment for this story.
Buttigieg himself has given no public indication that he intends to challenge Harris to be the Democrats' standard bearer in a post-Biden administration, whenever that might be. His confidants insist he's not thinking about his political future beyond his current role as transportation secretary and Harris' colleague on Team Biden.
One person close to Buttigieg dismissed the idea that he's got his eye on a 2024 bid. "It feeds into the narrative that everything he does is calculated, which couldn't be further from the truth," that person said.
Any public indication that Buttigieg or his allies are preparing for a 2024 bid is sure to infuriate Harris loyalists, many of whom see her as their best hope of electing the nation's first woman and first woman of color as president. A primary campaign between two members of Biden's Cabinet could also pose a distraction for the president's policy agenda.
"I think it is politically fraught for anyone closely linked to Secretary Buttigieg to be too aggressive here," said the Democratic strategist who has worked on previous presidential campaigns. "Along with the sensitivities of not getting ahead of President Biden, the sensitivities of not waiting your turn, especially when you would be jumping a potentially historic candidate in the form of Vice President Harris — that would not be well received."
The tension between the Buttigieg and Harris camps dates back to the 2020 presidential primary. "A likable white guy from the Midwest comes out of nowhere. He ran a great campaign, but there's an undercurrent of white privilege," said a former Harris staffer. (Buttigieg and Harris confidants say there is no personal tension between the two high-profile members of the Biden administration at the moment.)
Phillips said any 2024 organizing by Buttigieg's allies "is going to piss off some significant set of people." Harris' devoted followers, known as the K-Hive, are a "very energetic and fiercely loyal constituency," he added. "There's an added element of having seen in lots of other arenas' talented people of color, women of color, women, being passed over by the exciting new white guy with less experience."
— Researcher Hannah Beckler contributed to this story.
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Fuck yeah!!! We got from 36% Hispanic support to a WHOOPING 37%!!!!
Did you know that hispanics are actually very conservative in their daily lives!?!?!? They will SURELY vote for us this time!
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Imagine thinking Buttigieg, the man who rigged the system to take a year off for 'maternity' leave for a child he chose to adopt while having the job responsible for the supply line delays is a better option than Kamala!
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Holy shit, how bad is Kamala that anyone would think that's a good idea.
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Holy shit, how bad is Kamala that anyone would think that's a good idea.
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Why is this post being down voted? This is what Republicans actually believe and it's retarded and also the reason they keep losing elections.
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Florida is becoming not a swing state anymore because of the Hispanic shift in South Florida.
In Zepada County, Texas, Trump won it as a Republican for the first time in 100 years after it routinely voted similarly to fucking Washington DC.
More recently, Hispanic men voted at the same rate as white men in California's recall. As in they voted to recall Newsom as the same as whites.
To ignore this is fucking stupid.
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I'd say it's more because Republicans don't have any ideas for what to do when they're actually in power, but yeah blaming dem damn spic golems also works.
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I mean the Florida shift has always been down to Cubans who fled the increasingly socialist DNC.
Hispanics have never been a unified voting block and people shouldn't be mixing up the various subgroups when discussing their trends. (Cubans, Mexicans, first-gen/second-gen, etc).
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I think it's kind of important to note down which kinds of Hispanics.
It's like claiming all Jews vote Democrat. It's simply not true, it's just that the liberal ones do and they vastly outnumber Republican-voting Orthodox.
EDIT: I am going to nerve staple you, Kane.
It's like claiming all Jews vote Democrat. It's simply not true, it's just that the liberal ones do and they vastly outnumber Republican-voting Orthodox.
EDIT: I am going to nerve staple you, Kane.
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Well Cubans voting republican are the obvious ones. They know what socialism/communism is like and they don't ever want that in the US.
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That's what I am getting at. Hispanics could be a swing group, but that wholly depends on which ones are coming in.
I do not think we are getting mass amounts of Cubans, and I am sorry to say that their kids are going the way of the Roof Koreans for the exact same reasons (read: college indoctrination).
I do not think we are getting mass amounts of Cubans, and I am sorry to say that their kids are going the way of the Roof Koreans for the exact same reasons (read: college indoctrination).
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The other thing to note about the Hispanic vote is that the last so-called "respectable" conservative we had, Mitt "Magical Underpants" Romney only got something like 28 or 29 percent of that vote, compare that to Trump in 2016 and in 2020 and there is obvious improvement.
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Asians as well, Vietnamese are solid red for example.
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How many hispanics in general are actually going to college though, and in which states? I mean, yes, defaggotification of the university system is necessary, but at the same time I wouldn't be that worried about college educated voters in general, let alone a sub-group of them, swinging the next election to the dems.
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Aye. And I believe Chinese-Americans are usually the reverse, particularly the second generation ones. Solid blue all around.
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