Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Sweden has banned Moderna for use in all under 30s indefinitely due to risk of severe heart problems. Here in Australia parents are being urged to get their 12 year old children jabbed “to keep them safe”. It’s not mental illness it’s evil
That can't possibly be true, I've spent the better part of a year being told I was a mentally ill retard conspiracy theorist for suggesting these vaccines might have serious side effects.

Now im not claiming that's not what I am but I do think it's absurd to let my fellow mentally ill retard conspiracy theorists decide your public health policy.
 
Why is it so hard for these re.tards to understand the vax does NOTHING to prevent spread? I’m still trying to figure out how the non-vaxxes are supposed to ‘end the pandemic’

It's very frustrating to continue to see this narrative persist, despite health officials, including the director of the US CDC, coming out and admitting that they cannot prevent spread, not to mention the clear data showing that no matter how many people are vaccinated, more waves will come (often reaching higher peaks than ever before). These people are lost and desperate to believe they made the right choice and everyone else must follow or be damned.
 
Why is it so hard for these re.tards to understand the vax does NOTHING to prevent spread? I’m still trying to figure out how the non-vaxxes are supposed to ‘end the pandemic’
Because they trust the science, which is now and forevermore settled.

TBH, the people who say that there's likely a tinge of subconscious cope and self-doubt seem to be right on the money. It's now not only that everyone must be vaxxed, it's that they all must be vaxxed using our vaxxes, so they're all in the same leaky boat together.
 
Why is it so hard for these re.tards to understand the vax does NOTHING to prevent spread? I’m still trying to figure out how the non-vaxxes are supposed to ‘end the pandemic’
Joe Rogan really grilled the CNN medical expert on his show and the medical guy was convinced that he had like an 8x less chance of spreading it after being vaccinated - but admitted it was still possible.

If I believed in the vaccine religion, I'd want 8x better odds.
 

That second last reply is peak NPC. Even if you ignore the studies that show that rona is a nothingburger for anyone who isn't old/suffering from a comorbidity, you can still get a rough idea of how deadly it is by eyeballing reported cases and stats. For example, my home country of australia has had about 2k cases per day on average for the last month, and 10-ish deaths per day. That's 0.5% fatality right there, and we all know old people are going to make up most of those numbers.

That alone should give you some relief, but it gets better. If you had more than one braincell, you would also realize that not every death is actually attributed to rona, and not every case gets reported -- for EG, I never reported my case last year. I just stayed in my apartment to avoid spreading it. Similarly, healthy/young people who barely show symptoms will likely never bother to get tested. We are underreporting cases and overreporting deaths. Worldometers.info puts total global cases at 250 million, but there's no way in hell that it isn't already in the billions.
 
Joe Rogan really grilled the CNN medical expert on his show and the medical guy was convinced that he had like an 8x less chance of spreading it after being vaccinated - but admitted it was still possible.

If I believed in the vaccine religion, I'd want 8x better odds.

I’ve heard this argument and I believe the reasoning is that you are not symptomatic when you’re vaxxed, therefore less likely to spread. HOWEVER; Asymptomatic spread prior to the vaccine DID exist (according to the science™️ because we have to wear masks and distance and work behind barriers because you just never know who has it.

So what is it?
 
Scientifically speaking what would happen if you locked a scientist's head in a cage with starving lab rats?

If you are asymptomatic are you not arguably more likely to spread it around silently while a sensible person that feels ill and is coughing would stay at home or at least distance themselves from people.
 
I’ve heard this argument and I believe the reasoning is that you are not symptomatic when you’re vaxxed, therefore less likely to spread. HOWEVER; Asymptomatic spread prior to the vaccine DID exist (according to the science™️ because we have to wear masks and distance and work behind barriers because you just never know who has it.

So what is it?
It's whatever supports the Narrative™ today, even if it completely it contradicts what the Narrative™ said yesterday.
 
…is it not?
I finally remade an account for this place after every other place I browsed turned to shit. 4chan is a glow-op and if not for Fed's, it's the obnoxious tranny brigades who fuck up boards like /co/, /his/, and /an/. I mostly use Discord and smaller forums that basically are like 15-20 guys who've known each other since 2007. Every place has their retards and crazies, but comes down to population and mods. Any place that freaks out about something saying nigger isn't really gonna be a good place, any place that is so self-conscious that it can't allow retards will never be good.

I'm surprised how shit places like reddit got during this bullshit. It was always group-think paradise and I only ever knew autists and physics students who liked to browse it, so I'm not surprised that they were smug about calling the un-vaxx names, but to have tranny jannies strike was hilarious. The world is truly the best dark comedy I could ask for.
 
I finally remade an account for this place after every other place I browsed turned to shit. 4chan is a glow-op and if not for Fed's, it's the obnoxious tranny brigades who fuck up boards like /co/, /his/, and /an/. I mostly use Discord and smaller forums that basically are like 15-20 guys who've known each other since 2007. Every place has their retards and crazies, but comes down to population and mods. Any place that freaks out about something saying nigger isn't really gonna be a good place, any place that is so self-conscious that it can't allow retards will never be good.

I'm surprised how shit places like reddit got during this bullshit. It was always group-think paradise and I only ever knew autists and physics students who liked to browse it, so I'm not surprised that they were smug about calling the un-vaxx names, but to have tranny jannies strike was hilarious. The world is truly the best dark comedy I could ask for.
Don't kid yourself, this place is just as full of crazies and morons.

I mean, they let me post.
 
I would ask who would be stupid enough to believe that but we know that famous quote from George Carlin on stupid people.

And what do you think notorious shit-lib/proto-redditor George "WHITE PEOPLE HAVE NO SOULS" Carlin would say if he was alive today, if you had to take a guess?
It blows my mind that these are the same people who were posting shit like this just recently:
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Do they not understand it's the same thing? Are they like babies, where if you add a doctor's coat and a CDC pin they think it's a different person?
they only post it because its coded anti-white pro-niggerino. if the kike was saying it to the coon instead they would be going "100%"

As for the doctor's coat, look how many can't see color literally. Niggers make the news every day for doing nigger shit and every time they go "its the gun/weed/crack/social media/lack of parentings" fault. Why would you expect the people that have seen Cronkite talking about the latest reports from Dr.kike about how evil white people are and couldn't see behind the curtain to suddenly not realize the docs are corrupt.

Even to my only family, they only realized how shit doctors were once i said they were auto mechanics in lab coats, mind you most of my family has signed papers saying they wouldn't sue after a hospital fucked them up during a surgery.

You really have to realize most people deserve this suffering explicitly because of their inability to see whats going on in front of them.
Very good explanation of what's going on here. I implore everyone here to take the time to check the whole thing out but I'll provide some cliffs:

- This is much more of a psychological pandemic versus a biological one.

- We're in the beginnings of a totalitarian takeover.

- 4 conditions need to be met in order for mass formation (ie mass hypnosis) to occur:
1. Social isolation and lack of social bonds
2. Lack of sense making and meaning making.
3. Psychological distress; mental health issues are growing every year and more people are on psychopharmaceuticals than ever.
4. Free floating anxiety - It's normal to have some anxiety if it's connected to something in the outside physical world but free floating anxiety exists solely in the mind and cannot be attached to any object/physical thing. The masses with free floating anxiety were given an object of their anxiety in the form of the virus, pandemic, and filthy unvaccinated. The MSM and governments pushed that narrative and provided a solution to it so now the masses think they're on a crusade and they're doing the right thing.

- Population can be split into 30/40/30. First 30% fell for the lies and make up the most ardent, outspoken NPCs/bots. They feel no guilt or remorse towards others who disagree with them. It's as if they're struck by a religious fervor that can't be reasoned with. The 40% can swing either way but are quiet and don't want to cause any trouble or attract any attention to themselves so effectively it's 70% pushing the lies. The remaining 30% are the outspoken rebels. If they can convince the 40% to join them this madness will end.
I hate when people especially the recently redpilled do this shit. Not a single thing the youtuber said couldn't have basically had its conditions met back in the 1960s when the US passed the civil rights act and started bussing and all that other kike bullshit. So either the US has been a totalitarian state since the 1960s or more likely, this is just bullshit. Of course you and others will whine because you haven't left plato's cave on that subject yet.

its like that genocide graph about anti-vaxers. not a single point on that 10-step chart couldn't have basically been met back in the 1960s so either we've been on step 7 for whites the last half century and now they're attacking white anti-vaxxers even harsher or its just bullshit all around.
We've definitely arrived in the time of Saint Anthony the Great

"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, "You are mad; you are not like us."

Sure feels like it, anyway.
that time actually came in the 1940s when every citizen in allied countries went "I HATE COMMIES SO I'M GOING TO KILL AS MANY ANTI-COMMUNISTS AS POSSIBLE!!!!"

When you actually read between the lines of people lives in the 1940s. the allies were the true monsters compared to the axis, people starved worse in america during the 1940s than during the great depression. people were living on less than subsistance wages because those fancy factory jobs basically compelled people to donate any excess money to the war effort and your bosses determined what was considered "excessive money" and there was no one tracking those war effort donations either, so most factories were probably paying way less than the 30 cents they were supposed to pay for minimum wage work. Beyond that just the factories that got war contracts were basically FDR strongholds and anyone that learned to toe the line, its a lot harder to go aganist the government when they can literally starve your people.

millions of people with vitamin c deficiencies in the US were giving away their vegtables for the war effort AKA "victory gardens" only for those vegtables to be then used in grocery stores in the rich areas or just so the rich in allied countries could still have a reliable diet.

Hell i know tons of cold war veterans that dont even know that the Rosenbergs are to the cold war what Archduke ferdinands assassination was to WW1. Or how much jewish support they got for basically starting the cold war.
Thank you Regan for closing the mental institutions.
ANOTHER KIKE LIE. Do retards like you really think the 1980s GOP really cared enough about the mentally ill to close down the institutions, the institutions that had profit margins as good as fucking cigarettes? Is that what the GOP of Reagan's day was known for, caring more about people over profit? because that sounds more like the hippies and carter faggots who literally preached it as a cause the same way they did anti-nuclear power or amnesty for farm workers. YOU FUCKING IDIOT
Here's a good article on that subject that got posted in this thread about 2 weeks ago. The psychological aspect needs to be brought up more. It's one thing to label the nonsense "totalitarian", it's a totally different thing to analyze how it's actually fucking with people and the direct parallels to actual totalitarian regimes. Sometimes I find myself amazed how many people from historians to psychologists are willfully blind to these parallels despite knowing better, but then I realize that they're falling victim to human nature and doublethink. It's the exact same thing as why the Soviets a century ago, despite claiming to be building a society based on democracy and equality, happened to build a society that in many ways paralleled the exact same Tsarist society they destroyed.

Most troons still end up classified as mentally ill because they frequently have Cluster B personality disorders (i.e. narcissistic personality disorder) and/or autism.
see my comment above, this is just an update to a totalitarian system we've been living with since the days of MLK.
One treatment for mental issues is humour. A lot of comedians have issues and that's how they cope with it, for example. This site is all about having a laugh so in a way if some of the content is having a negative effect on you if you're having a laugh then you're self-medicating.
comedians using jokes to cope is like taking the vax for covid. its the exact opposite of good. Joe matteresse is proof positive that using "jokes" will probably have worse side effects for people overall. If you notice, especially old comedians never end up overcoming their issues or treating their mental issues. fucking Artie Lange advanced more as a person being forced to work as a gas station attendant in jersey for 30 weeks than he did being a comedian for 30 years.
 
@Kramer on the phone That's a lot of words when you could have just said "kikes should be gassed, niggers getting the vote is the worst thing to ever happen to America, and the nazis were the real victims of WW2". Brevity is the soul of wit.
you're not wrong, but these people need to read my comment specifically calling them out on their bullshit.
 
Current talking point/narrative in Germany: A football player didn't get vaccinated yet because he is waiting for longterm studies. Naturally, this caused outrage among the Branch Covidians, who are out in force telling everyone that there can be no longterm side effects with vaccines, and also so many people have gotten it now that there's enough data.
It's the usual way of controlling the discussion. People call it "longterm side effects", and what they mean is issues and unforeseen consequences that are only really noticable after a longer time. Like a disruption of natural immune responses to other viruses. Something that isn't really tested for in the wider population, and that isn't really noticable for healthy young people over summer. The Branch Covidians, unwilling to actually argue that, just go out and say that "longterm side effects" means something different and thus they can't appear with vaccines. All the side effects appear just after injection and go away fast. Insert smugface.
People like to bring up Contergan/Thalidomide and the swine flu vaccine. The difference is that this time there won't be any clearing up afterwards. There won't be any serious and honest studies. If there will be significant unexpected side effects like antigenic original sin, ADE, immune system suppression, it will never be talked about.
I personally don't think the vaccines are that dangerous, but we'll never find out. At this point it's all about saving face for politicians and whorenalists. They fucked over and divided people for almost two years now, and they're not gonna let it go for the foreseeable future. They can't go back, because they know that "going back" will mean healing by hanging politicians by the entrails of presstitutes. They need everyone to fall in line or at least have a majority of the population be fully willing and eager to do anything to the other part if push comes to shove. They need people to be busy with themselves.
 
The war we're fighting right now is primarily a metaphysical and epistemological war. The bad guys rest upon the metaphysical assumption that there is no such thing as absolute truth, there are no universals, and so forth. Hence the flip flopping on the mask issue.
I'm well aware. It's the idealism-realism divide, and it's the actual problem underlying much of today's political sparring.

A lot of people mistakenly use idealism to mean optimism and realism as a synonym for pessimism, but that's not what they actually mean.

Look at the door to your room. What do you see? A door, right?

To an idealist, reality is internally constructed. The door appears to exist because it is being represented by their visual cortex in their brain, and then subsequently interpreted as a door. Were it not for this process of their brain assigning meaning to it, the door would not be a door. It would be a wood rectangle with a lever sticking out of it, and perhaps much less than that.

To a realist, reality is externally constructed. They see a fucking door.

Try applying this framework to just about every problem of woke-ism, and you'll see exactly what I mean.

The problem is, if what constitutes a view of reality based on current best practices has no practical robustness, how can we have any trust in [INSERT INTERVENTION HERE]?

Another problem that is becoming increasingly apparent to victims and disinterested parties alike is that public policy decisions are biased towards things that increase centralization, decrease personal autonomy and secure nine to twelve figure sinecures for the "saviors" of humanity.

If science is not in the business of determining the truth, why should anyone trust it?

There's no way the science cargo cultists can answer this question without looking like idiots or a-holes.
That's just it. Nobody should "trust science". Science isn't a religious belief system. It is a tool and a process of rational inquiry that anyone can use. You don't need other people's permission to be a scientist. All you need is to start doing science. In ancient times, scientists and philosophers weren't people with degrees and badges and titles and the like. They were educated people just doing what came naturally to an inquisitive mind. The modern process of credentialing everything has created a false division between scientists and everyone else. If you're trying to create a new age religion, that's perfect, because it demarcates what is vulgar and what is sanctified. If you're trying to do science, it's terrible, because it makes it hard to cross-pollinate ideas.

When I started digging into COVID-19, what I found most striking about all of this was just how hard it was to contact real scientists and doctors and offer them information or ask them pertinent questions. Some of them had Facebook profiles, and that was basically the only place they were reachable, so I grudgingly made a Facebook account to try and contact them. Others were on closed forums that basically required proof of educational status and institutional affiliation to join. Many had university email accounts that were unreachable and basically abandoned. Jump up and down and scream from the rooftops, and you may get the attention of one PhD out of a hundred. There was no neutral ground, no meeting place where scientists and non-scientists could mingle.

The insularity of the scientific community is, in itself, shocking. Think about how easy they would be to manipulate by the people pulling the strings, waving around grant money. It's an inherently corruptible system.
 
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