Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

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This Halloween Abi decided to go as...
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A crossdresser

I would say "brave" if I didn't know this is deluded

If you can't fill out that particular dress with actual breasts (3-dimensional features REQUIRED for the dress to even fit), then wearing that dress is a crime against nature and style. What is he doing, anymore?!?

As ever, my question is: who is the inside man sabotaging Olly's campaign?

The spookiest thing about Ollie is his Mickey Mouse voice.

It's Mrs. Doubtfire. You've got the wrong intellectual property.

Is he angling for a gender-bending reboot of Mrs. Doubtfire (starting off as a bad mother "Abigail", and turning into a male "Olly" nanny? Probably not, but he'd take the role in a millisecond).

Asides from the issue of thinning hair, it's a case of not using conditioner on the length after washing (IF they wash it), never using any kind of oil or product to tame the frizz, and refusing to trim off split ends.

People get so mad/bored/amused at me with their reactions, sometimes, but even I've never tried to turn this into a hair-care thread!

Or is this that "shade" stuff I've heard about?

(Olly doesn't care about his hair: he'll just take pills, get implants, wear wigs...it's all in his budget, and no self-modification toward his end goal will make him question what the fuck he's doing. The only way Olly will ever second-guess himself is (a) a decrease in attention; (b) a decrease in profits; or (c) both. He is bred and born, as the minor nobility he sees himself as, to clout-chase his "deserved" inheritance).

 

[AssignedEva]

Tell me this isn't a man's torso.

"Oh my days, Deano dressed up as a bird for Halloween"

 

[Photo of an orange]

STFU. We are here to make fun of Olly. We don’t care about western vs. eastern troons and all this theoretical shit. Take it elsewhere.
One little aside would be one thing but you are going on and on.


And no you didn’t double post, you triple posted.

Oh, now I get it.

Look: maybe you don't even know how to make fun of Olly the right way. Olly doesn't give a shit if we call him a troon, a bad actor, or a linebacker (all true, but he doesn't care).

He doesn't care because he makes money off of all that.

You want to make fun of Olly, in a way that he will care about and respond to in an entertaining way? And because it costs him Twitter cred and cash? It's easy:

He is a gender colonist: there are cultures he can NEVER skinwalk, without obvious appropriation, who have done this "third-gender" stuff before, and well. All Olly can do, within his privileged identity, is pretend to be an elite British woman, an echo of his mother or his mothers' friends, or whoever he's basing the "Abigail" character on. That won't be enough. Throw actual "third-gender" culture in his face, watch him try to assimilate it, and watch the real members of that culture eat him alive.

Also: why didn't he don a hijab in the Islamophobia video, why didn't he talk about Uyghur women, why didn't he touch on any semblance of non-Western gender identity -- contemporary or historical? Because he wants to be the INTERNET'S TRANS MESSIAH, but is just a dumb British man and is just smart enough to realize that all his previous policy statements run afoul of that title, and so he can only exist as QUEEN TRANS of the UK for his moneymaking schemes.

Anyway, Olly is gonna get rich, but fail to win over anyone but a very small fraction of the "Mrs. Doubtfire" reboot production team. The goal is to prevent others from thinking he speaks for anything other than his bank account, or his ego -- which are both the same thing.

Tell me this isn't a man's torso.

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"Oh my days, Deano dressed up as a bird for Halloween"

I don't understand why he posted this.

This dress is meant to be supported by breasts of some volume, ANY volume, in order to fit correctly.

And, for fuck's sake, it's Halloween -- right now we ALL know how to recognize when costumes fit someone poorly!

Olly is clearly teetering on the edge of a gender colonists' breakdown, posting this image.

 

[The Mad Pirate]

Tell me this isn't a man's torso.

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"Oh my days, Deano dressed up as a bird for Halloween"

I see no breast either there.

There is something I still don't understand. In his "coming out" video, Olly said that he has been on HRT for almost an year so he had to "hide the breast under oversized tees" but neither the fact on his face redistributed to follow the female distribution nor his facial hair diminished, two very obvious effects of HRT with would have been very noticeable after almost 1 year on HRT. How can both things be true then ?.

 

[Ophelia Jones]

This dress is meant to be supported by breasts of some volume, ANY volume, in order to fit correctly.

And, for fuck's sake, it's Halloween -- right now we ALL know how to recognize when costumes fit someone poorly!

Kinda unrelated but why aren't any of these people dressing spooky for halloween? Its all boring night gowns. Like couldn't you get a pointy hat and larp as a witch or something? Like you can still look pretty or God forbid sexy while respecting the sacred holiday of halloween and dressing up like a classic monster.

 

[Photo of an orange]

Kinda unrelated but why aren't any of these people dressing spooky for halloween? Its all boring night gowns. Like couldn't you get a pointy hat and larp as a witch or something? Like you can still look pretty or God forbid sexy while respecting the sacred holiday of halloween and dressing up like a classic monster.

I think the issue is that any fun or interesting costume might disrupt their gender-true PRESENTATION.

I see no breast either there.

There is something I still don't understand. In his "coming out" video, Olly said that he has been on HRT for almost an year so he had to "hide the breast under oversized tees" but neither the fact on his face redistributed to follow the female distribution nor his facial hair diminished, two very obvious effects of HRT with would have been very noticeable after almost 1 year on HRT. How can both things be true then ?.

How dare you mention his deadbustmeasurements on the internet!

 

[PennyAni]

let me massage my thots on this --

another facet of why Olly is obsessed with Americans (like ...wat...) and not British girls - i would imagine that they are much more into him as a novelty than local girls are. I don't know how often ppl come across north americans in the UK or how else he would have even developed this fake fetish (i've literally never been there)??? is it a thing??? or the simply the pervasiveness of american media? (I actually don’t know if Brits find Americans sexy)

I'm not in the states or american... but here in Toronto when you come across some wayward brit who has moved here for university or work, it's like a novelty. i'd say like the accent adds like 2 points to the rating scale out of 10 (a 5 becomes a 7/10, a 7 becomes a 9/10)

like some hugh grant charm effect - ugly wrinkly face with british buck teeth but charming charming voice - bam leading man.
....however he looks just like seth meyers (american) - who would never be a leading man because he's ugly - but he's regarded as a "funny" guy and a "good" guy -- a "nice guy" if you will, but definitely not a charming heartthrob lol.

i'm sure english girls who understand the culture see through his lies and exaggerations, whereas clueless wonders across the pond (myself included) don't know what the fuck a geordie is or that he clearly isn't one. and everyone around the British girls has the accent so there's no pull there.... and he's an arrogant insufferable fat ass so there's all of that...... so i doubt he gets attention from english womenfolk the same way he does from north americans, so he's just leaning right into it. and the more he talks about how much he loves americans, the more attention americans will give him. people have said here before that they think his fans are mostly american and so he does very american topics and now he's straight up saying his type is "blonde americans"... it reminds me of bo burnham making fun of pop stars for writing vague love songs so that all girls think it could potentially be about them.

i don't remember if i've talked about this before (pt & british accents being attractive) or not but i think about it all the time. he just fucking sux

Oh yeah I'd bet folding money he doesn't get the kinda attention in England that he gets from American girls. A lot of us tend to fetishize people from the UK; it just is what it is. Still happens to my partner all the time.

A lot of this trans Scotsmanning just seems to be based on the subjective of whether you like someone or not. Unpopular opinion but I think Olly actually passes somewhat better than Contra or Blaire White because he's not constantly bimbo-ing to such an extent, nor giving off the gross incel trap vibe of a Lilith Lovett type. Twat as he is, he's actually pretty high functioning for a cow. He's clearly got some acting roles on the go as well as churning out YT and Patreon stuff more consistently than his breadtube colleagues, for whom it's their sole occupation. His videos also have a sheen (in terms of pure image quality) far and above his contemporaries. And the fact he employs a crew of purely white people to produce them is poggers. By degenerate troon standards this guy is a boy scout.

Olly is funny because he's stuck trying to get a good grade in theatre class. But he's ripping off the most popular student to do it, and somehow getting away with it. But pride comes before a fall, and his ride back down is gonna be rocky. Nigga's unironically Shakespearean.

You must have been missing the live feeds and Twitter, then, if you hold that opinion about the relative lack of bimbofication.

I think Contra clearly passes better. And holy shit do you honestly believe that Olly passes as a woman better than Blair White?

Agree with your second paragraph.

Damn, that’s one thick torso. You look at the front, expect it to curve back beneath the armpit, and instead it just goes and goes. No sensuality to the exposed skin, just confusion.

Oh Olly. Oh honey, someone done lied to you about that dress.

Wrt your points, @fax machine, yeah and notice the lack of the swell of hips. And the protruding pecs where breasts are supposed to be if one is cosplaying a women. The whole thing is just a disaster. But of course, dude's a dude so in that context- the context of BEING A MAN IN A DRESS- he looks juuuust fine.

 

[Tombigbee]

Some recent shots of “Alice” (because new glasses.) “Alice” creeps me out so bad. He looks like someone who would be implicated in some murder-for-hire plot to impress their significant other. I can’t articulate it. Just that sullen white trash-demonic look. He looks like he’s at his arraignment in these pics.

 

[PennyAni]

Looking forward to the most middle class man on Earth dropping truths about the utility of radical political violence.

Hasn't he already dont this video? Like several times, even? And I believe Contra did a Baltimore- specific one.

It’s probably not very surprising that I’m generally pro troon, which includes actors like Abigail for me. Meaning I will not call her ‚Olly’ anymore and I support her right to crossdress publicly and to freely chose to be a whaman and have that on her ID and all that. But do I personally feel sorry for their self chosen path in life and view them as a victim of society or part of a marginalized group? Fuck no! And them claiming victimhood and trauma is really nothing but a pathetic joke to me. You are not oppressed! Stop gaslighting me into thinking otherwise.

I think its more that people can't be bothered being pestered by troons so they just ignore them/ called them "they" and don't get too involved with them irl.

Ah ok, well it seems neither of you received the recent memo that using "they/them" pronouns now counts as misgendering. At least for Olly.
YouTuber The Costume Codex was recently ripped to shreds by Olly's fans for using "they/them" a couple of times in a video about PT's food video where she referred to him with female pronouns the entire rest of the time.

Also Olly recently went off on a fan for using "they" when speaking about him on his very own fan subreddit. Always a class act, our PT.

So also, sometimes I watch Thoughslime videos, ok? So shoot me. Anyway I caught this a few days ago, where PT commented on one of TS's videos, wherein he managed to make the comment and the video all about himself:

 

[Ophelia Jones]

Ah ok, well it seems neither of you received the recent memo that using "they/them" pronouns now counts as misgendering. At least for Olly.
YouTuber The Costume Codex was recently ripped to shreds by Olly's fans for using "they/them" a couple of times in a video about PT's food video where she referred to him with female pronouns the entire rest of the time.

Also Olly recently went off on a fan for using "they" when speaking about him on his very own fan subreddit. Always a class act, our PT.

So also, sometimes I watch Thoughslime videos, ok? So shoot me. Anyway I caught this a few days ago, where PT commented on one of TS's videos, wherein he managed to make the comment and the video all about himself:

It's never enough for them, is it? Thats why there's no point to accommodating to them.

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

Alice looks like a nauseous chubby 9 year old child thats about to throw up. Like the pukey child in kindergarden. Remember that one? Oh and since you TERFs on here do love to talk about haircare so much, I mean… Isn’t that the worst long hair you’ve ever seen? No wonder she hides it under a hijab all the time.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I had this during my teens and more women need to realise one of the best things you can do is keep the ends trimmed. Cutting off frizzy shit will not only limit hair getting weak and splitting, it'll make it look slightly thicker. You don't want long but ratty hair, take it from someone whose hair used to be past their ass.
Ollie does look better than most AGPs I've seen. Troons really don't understand these things and think length is what matters most, but it isn't. Hairline for example matters much more than length if you want to look female. They also think things like "pastel colours = feminine" so they'll dye their hair pink or purple with no thought beyond that, and just end up standing out even more.

Yes, I think it's because AGPs are always in a hurry it grow their hair out so they can Turn Into Women, and are horribly impatient, so they don't keep it healthy by getting it trimmed regularly.

I have no idea why troon hair stays so unhealthy looking when it's already grown, though. I assume poor diet + no one cares enough about them to tell them when they need a haircut. Or maybe they think women just don't get their hair cut unless they want to change the length?

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

Yes, I think it's because AGPs are always in a hurry it grow their hair out so they can Turn Into Women, and are horribly impatient, so they don't keep it healthy by getting it trimmed regularly.

I have no idea why troon hair stays so unhealthy looking when it's already grown, though. I assume poor diet + no one cares enough about them to tell them when they need a haircut. Or maybe they think women just don't get their hair cut unless they want to change the length?

You are absolutely right i mean isn’t it a widely known fact that all troons eat unhealthily? Duh

 

[fax machine]

I see no breast either there.

There is something I still don't understand. In his "coming out" video, Olly said that he has been on HRT for almost an year so he had to "hide the breast under oversized tees" but neither the fact on his face redistributed to follow the female distribution nor his facial hair diminished, two very obvious effects of HRT with would have been very noticeable after almost 1 year on HRT. How can both things be true then ?.

He lost weight trying to make his body more passable, and it sucked the softness out of his face. He’s also in his late 20s, a natural time to start losing cheek volume. HRT can redistribute fat to the face, but it isn't powerful enough to counteract those other slimming effects. As for facial hair: HRT may slightly thin it out, but any remaining texture will prickle against the best efforts to conceal it. Hence the popularity of electrolysis.

Olly did grow breasts of a sort, as you can see when he supports them.

But on a male body, HRT-induced breasts often grow in a tubular fashion, as in gynecomastia. So there's some projection but not enough volume to fill out a dress designed to be worn braless like his Halloween getup.

If you can't fill out that particular dress with actual breasts (3-dimensional features REQUIRED for the dress to even fit), then wearing that dress is a crime against nature and style. What is he doing, anymore?!?

The absence of visible breasts isn't the key problem. There are millions of flat-chested women on God's green earth, and they don't need lift and padding to look like women, as they are:

Visually, femaleness is so much more about the shapes of bones than the fat applied to them. If you have female bones, a flat chest won't make you look male. If your bones are male, looking female will take more than adding breasts on top. Olly looks male because (among other problems) his torso is anteroposteriorly thick, whether because of a huge ribcage or developed lats — I can't tell. Bigger breasts would only thicken his torso more, and he can't afford that, proportionally, given the narrowness of his hips.

MTF passing is usually a matter of reduction, not addition. Only the skinniest, least muscular trans women can look more female by adding fat.

Kinda unrelated but why aren't any of these people dressing spooky for halloween? Its all boring night gowns. Like couldn't you get a pointy hat and larp as a witch or something? Like you can still look pretty or God forbid sexy while respecting the sacred holiday of halloween and dressing up like a classic monster.

I don't think he's celebrating Halloween. He's just rewearing the Russian spy dress from Islamophobia and posting pics on the spooky day to thirst trap.

 

[Rekkington]

He lost weight trying to make his body more passable, and it sucked the softness out of his face. He’s also in his late 20s, a natural time to start losing cheek volume. HRT can redistribute fat to the face, but it isn't powerful enough to counteract those other slimming effects. As for facial hair: HRT may slightly thin it out, but any remaining texture will prickle against the best efforts to conceal it. Hence the popularity of electrolysis.

Olly did grow breasts of a sort, as you can see when he supports them.

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But on a male body, HRT-induced breasts often grow in a tubular fashion, as in gynecomastia. So there's some projection but not enough volume to fill out a dress designed to be worn braless like his Halloween getup.


The absence of visible breasts isn't the key problem. There are millions of flat-chested women on God's green earth, and they don't need lift and padding to look like women, as they are:

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Visually, femaleness is so much more about the shapes of bones than the fat applied to them. If you have female bones, a flat chest won't make you look male. If your bones are male, looking female will take more than adding breasts on top. Olly looks male because (among other problems) his torso is anteroposteriorly thick, whether because of a huge ribcage or developed lats — I can't tell. Bigger breasts would only thicken his torso more, and he can't afford that, proportionally, given the narrowness of his hips.

MTF passing is usually a matter of reduction, not addition. Only the skinniest, least muscular trans women can look more female by adding fat.


I don't think he's celebrating Halloween. He's just rewearing the Russian spy dress from Islamophobia and posting pics on the spooky day to thirst trap.

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If he were a real woman he would probably be more conscious of recycling a look so shamelessly.
OLLY ONCE AGAIN FAILS TO PLACE AT THE PUSSY HAVER OLYMPICS.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

MTF passing is usually a matter of reduction, not addition. Only the skinniest, least muscular trans women can look more female by adding fat.

Even that's a gamble based on where you put on weight. Even on HRT, most men are going to gain weight in a male pattern (beer belly, arms etc). Blaire White is an example of this. He lost about 25 pounds. When he was a bit chubbier, the fat on his arms made him look a lot broader, and he looked more feminine after slimming down. And Blaire is a small-statured twink.


Someone as big as Ollie will have a lot of trouble gaining "feminine" fat. As we saw from his flabby pre-troon days, he kind of just had a doughy torso and face and pepperoni nips.

 

[Rose_of_Troon]

The absence of visible breasts isn't the key problem. There are millions of flat-chested women on God's green earth, and they don't need lift and padding to look like women, as they are:

Both if your examples look kinda troonish though tbh, especially dark hair gurl

What does PT get out of all of this nonsense? I mean lots of money, sure. Fame to a certain degree. But is it worth it?

 

[esmeggs]

BTW, just if it useful for you, I found Claire's reddit user from an old post she made

I am musician, model, and youtuber, Claire Michelle! I missed my flight, AMA!

Sitting around for the next hour or so, and I could be working but... I'd rather chat :) AMA! [Proof](https://www.instagram.com/p/BawkgdKDR5O/)

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Not much there, just random post promoting Claire's studio and a lot of gaming posts.
But....you never know when there might be something more telling.

Went through his post/comment history from the past couple years and most of his comments are just sperging in r/transvoices (LOTS of self-promotion and a fair amount of patting himself on the back for being a "business owner", similar to Olly going on about being an "actress"). There were some interesting things though, he was homeless for a while and would rely on foodbanks for food. He had a boyfriend in April of this year, so if he is dating Olly now then that must've been after April and he must have moved on fast. His reddit username stands for "closet crossdresser". I might've missed a few things because I skimmed his comments but here are some of the ones that stood out:

Spoiler: Misc. Reddit Comments

Admitting to depression after getting his dick chopped off:

I know some people here said he somewhat passes in photos but he still gets "misgendered" in public, so like all troons he doesn't pass in person.

He posts a lot of comments in women-oriented subreddits (twoxchromosomes (lmao), askwomen, thegirlsurvivalguide and others). This comment on a post about racism black women face makes it all about him, seems like him and Olly are perfect for one another:

PLEASE vote for me so I can be the first man in this women's organization to speak over enlighten cis women on art:

He tried to meme a low-quality short film he made (film/link is nsfw) about being nonbinary:

Spoiler: Cringe

He also has a podcast if anyone is bored enough to check it out.

I have an even more negative opinion of him after going through his reddit account. If he's not an autogynephile that enjoys inserting himself into women's spaces then he's an incredibly dumb homosexual man. Based on his comment history he seems to mostly (maybe only) date men. I didn't go through everything but this post is already long enough, I'll go through the rest later and make a separate post if there's anything worth noting.

 

[fax machine]

Both if your examples look kinda troonish though tbh, especially dark hair gurl

Lily Aldridge is a former Victoria’s Secret angel who has given birth to two children. Keira Knightley is Keira Knightley.

If you think they look “troonish” because flat-chested, please — I don’t know — observe more women. Don’t zero in on breasts or hourglasses. Squint away the details and take in the gestalt. Develop an aesthetic concept of woman based on actual female anatomy in the wild rather than a list of discrete sexually desirable traits.

Even that's a gamble based on where you put on weight. Even on HRT, most men are going to gain weight in a male pattern (beer belly, arms etc). Blaire White is an example of this. He lost about 25 pounds. When he was a bit chubbier, the fat on his arms made him look a lot broader, and he looked more feminine after slimming down. And Blaire is a small-statured twink.
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Someone as big as Ollie will have a lot of trouble gaining "feminine" fat. As we saw from his flabby pre-troon days, he kind of just had a doughy torso and face and pepperoni nips.

Great example. When I said skinny, I meant runway model skinny, like BMI 15-16 — a trans woman with that kind of skinny can probably stand to gain. But you’re right that the fat often collects in counterproductive places, so “get skinny” is a useful prescription for 99% of MTFs trying to pass.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

I don't think he's celebrating Halloween. He's just rewearing the Russian spy dress from Islamophobia and posting pics on the spooky day to thirst trap.

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Lol, in the context of the previous photo I can see why he has a coat draped over his shoulders when wearing that dress.