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I'm seeing claims of the Delta variant being like 2x as transmissible and 3x as deadly. Can someone point me towards a good paper about actual numbers concerning case fatality rates and so on? Google just gives 100% propaganda articles about how deadly Delta is (especially to the unvaxxed), but absolutely zero concrete numbers or papers.
 
I'm seeing claims of the Delta variant being like 2x as transmissible and 3x as deadly. Can someone point me towards a good paper about actual numbers concerning case fatality rates and so on? Google just gives 100% propaganda articles about how deadly Delta is (especially to the unvaxxed), but absolutely zero concrete numbers or papers.
I haven't heard that it's deadly, but with the mRNA "Vax" apparently causing people to die easier if they get infected a second time, and with everyone involved having various levels of deep desire to prevent that from being talked about, everything's up in the air.
 
I'm seeing claims of the Delta variant being like 2x as transmissible and 3x as deadly. Can someone point me towards a good paper about actual numbers concerning case fatality rates and so on? Google just gives 100% propaganda articles about how deadly Delta is (especially to the unvaxxed), but absolutely zero concrete numbers or papers.
They never even released any proof that the Delta variant even exists.
 
They never even released any proof that the Delta variant even exists.
It might different elsewhere but here in the States aren’t they only to confirm a “Delta” infection using DNA sequencing? I can’t imagine them shipping all of those brain swabs out to test those and getting the results back in a timely fashion, if they get results at all.
 
There is no hope Luke


Come on you lazy good for nothing words like climate and plastic and you....at the back....environment....you all need to try harder.

And fucking NZ are choosing a bat as bird of the year. Outside if covid bat flu times that critter wouldnt have got a look in.
 
I got a good laugh from this.

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It might different elsewhere but here in the States aren’t they only to confirm a “Delta” infection using DNA sequencing? I can’t imagine them shipping all of those brain swabs out to test those and getting the results back in a timely fashion, if they get results at all.

I'm just wondering has any scientist ever looked into a microscope and seen COVID-19. Here's an image of the Ebola virus as seen under a microscope:
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Here's the images they've been showing of for COVID-19:
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Sure, this is a much more exciting image of a virus; it looks like something out of a MCU movie. Why shouldn't it, it's an artist interpretation of COVID-19.

Are there any pictures of COVID-19, let alone of the Delta variant, that are similar to the Ebola example, or do they just have ones made by digital artists based on what The Experts™ speculate?
 

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The conspiritard stuff about nano machines and parasites being found in the vaccines can be discounted. However we absolutely know that there have been issues with contaminated batches.


How did the Japanese find garbage in the vaccines they were sent? Because they bothered to look.

None of the vaccine supplies being sent to Australia are being screened. They're straight off planes and to the vaccine centres and doctor's clinics.

Another rumor has it that since the tests are still ongoing, the dosage strength may in-fact intentionally vary across batches- and it seems like the higher the dosage strength (mRNA or viral vector), the greater the adverse effects.

I had an odd conversation a couple of months ago with a connected guy. I lied to him about getting the Pfizer.
Did you have side effects?
No.
None?
No not even a sore arm.
Oh well maybe you got injected with saline.
WTF?

This guy is an out there Branch Covidian and it was a weird thing to say.

What you mean saline?
Well the vaccine has to be mixed with saline. It shouldn't be shaken around before administration but a lot of the nurses have been really badly trained. They shake it around like they're mixing an antibiotic.
OK?
Yeah if it's shaken it screws up the dose. Pfizer vaccine is very fragile. If it's agitated it destroys the nano particles. So did the nurse shake the vial?
Um I'm not sure, I wasn't paying attention.

It was a weird conversation as I hadn't really thought about how they mix the he vaccine. Then I started looking




Apparently this issue is really common. Not just mixing the vaccine incorrectly but using empty vials and injecting people with straight saline.
 
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>As of last night, FDNY says that 80% of their members are vaccinated, with 75% of firefighters, 87% of EMTs/paramedics, and 90% of civilian employees being vaccinated.
Seems like a lot of these fuckers cucked-out and got the jab.
I'm not at all surprised people are just following orders instead of doing the right thing. Our society has been taught that for several decades after WWII.
 
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>As of last night, FDNY says that 80% of their members are vaccinated, with 75% of firefighters, 87% of EMTs/paramedics, and 90% of civilian employees being vaccinated.
Seems like a lot of these fuckers cucked-out and got the jab.
Pretty disappointed, but what do you expect when the government threatens your family that depends on you. But 10% isn't an inconsequential number of people. I just hope they stick to their guns on this one.
 
Next year the word will be “jab”

One thing is for sure.... any word chosen that is related to covid in some way will not have a negative meaning. The word "vax" has been chosen on purpose as part of the brainwashing. The majority of brits still default to the word "jab" , but if they keep pushing it there may be a change. I use the word "vax" on kiwifarms because it is a dumb word for a dumb product.

Anyway...for none brits this is how we normally talk about such things.....

Capital brew old chap. I say; Have you had your flu jab yet, Cornelius?

Why indeed, Marmaduke, I have just been to the ol' doc and had my flu jab. Arm is a bit on the sore side, but I will still be able to slap Penelope after supper.

Good to here. Can't let the blasted women have a night off. That reminds me, Corns old chap. I must get my hepatitis and cholera jabs pronto as it is only 4 weeks to my Nile cruise with Poirot and that bint, Marple.
 
@jje100010001 Is there any way to know where these lots are going? It may be difficult to determine much about whats in them but if we see benign lot #xyz was sent to DC and high side-effect lot #abc went to rural Virginia and so on, it would be instructive as to whether this was poor quality control or deliberate.
I think there are two figures missing- A.) The batch size, and B.) The batch destination.

With A.) If the deadly batches are larger, it shows that the inherent deadliness of the vaccine is constant. If the batch sizes are consistent, then it confirms that some batches are deadlier that others, and that the quality control and chain of custody is possibly compromised.

With B.) If the destination of the batches are not in any sort of pattern, then it shows that this is an issue of greed and speed. If the 'good' batches are deliberately being sent to certain locations, then it shows that they (Pfizer & Moderna + the government) know about these issues in A.), and are using this to their advantage. The later is a Nuremburg-tier rightful cause for revolt.
 
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OFF TOPIC in response to the 'big tobacco' comments.

I can't believe people don't know about this, and who started the ball rolling!

After first winning, then losing on appeal, her case against British American Tobacco, Rolah McCabe got some posthumous justice in a recent US ruling. William Birnbauer was an insider in the closing chapter of a courtroom drama.

He says he loves the law because, like Andrew Beckett, the gay lawyer played by Tom Hanks in the movie Philadelphia, he believes that every once in a while you get to be part of justice being done. But today, Peter Gordon, a plaintiff lawyer for 25 years, is questioning his beliefs and even the law. He is slumped at the edge of a conference table, on the verge of tears.

"Life is not like movies," he says. "I've never got involved in a fight where justice was on my side and lost, and that's what I've just done. I don't know what to do and I'm confused about it. I'm genuinely confused about it."

Gordon, legal warhorse, is unravelling. An hour earlier, the High Court dismissed an appeal application he had lodged, ending a historic five-year legal struggle on behalf of the family of lung cancer victim Rolah McCabe. To Gordon, it appeared a disastrous finale to a case that had become personal. McCabe was dead, having succumbed to cancer; her husband, John, was dead, having died of a heart attack attributed to the stress of the case; four children had lost their parents; and once again it seemed that conservative institutions had sided with big business at the expense of the poor.

"Why do we always lose against tobacco companies?" he asks. "What does it mean that, no matter what the situation is, there's always some excuse for these appellate courts to chuck us out."

Experienced lawyers - Gordon has had several high-profile legal victories for victims of asbestos, faulty breast implants and contaminated blood among others - don't normally talk this openly in public. However, he had granted documentary filmmaker Terry Carlyon, sound recordist Keith Platt and me behind-the-scenes access to one of the most controversial legal battles this country has seen in recent times.

In a victory that made headlines internationally, McCabe, in April 2002, became the first Australian - and still the only one - to successfully sue a tobacco company. A jury awarded her $700,000 in damages after Victorian Supreme Court judge Geoffrey Eames struck out the defence of British American Tobacco, finding the company had deprived her of a fair trial by destroying damaging internal records.

The victory, however, was shortlived. BAT won an appeal and now, before a packed High Court, the tobacco company won again, with the court refusing both Gordon's and the Victorian and NSW Governments' application for a further appeal.

At an emotional debriefing immediately after the High Court decision, Gordon broke the news to McCabe's daughter, Roxanne Cowell: the case was over, she should bury her mum, so to speak.

What was unknown by Gordon or anyone else was that the McCabe case wasn't quite buried. In the months ahead, it would resonate in the corridors of Washington's District Court in the biggest civil lawsuit launched in the United States. Not only that, but it would unearth Australia's equivalent of Dr Jeffrey Wigand, the tobacco whistleblower played by Russell Crowe in the movie The Insider. But all that was to come.

"MEET me at the old North Melbourne footy ground in 20 minutes," Gordon told me in an unexpected phone call one afternoon. I had covered the McCabe court rulings and had met Gordon over the years but we weren't particularly close.

He gave no hint of what it was about. In the shadow of the empty grandstand, he said the most extraordinary thing had happened: he'd received a call from deep inside enemy territory - from BAT. Could this be real, he wondered? Was it a set-up? He wasn't sure what to do.

The message was from Frederick Gulson. Gordon knew of Gulson because his name was on several documents cited in McCabe's Supreme Court case and subsequent appeal. But Gulson had not given evidence, despite being the company secretary and legal counsel of W. D. & H. O. Wills (later BAT) at the time Gordon believed sensitive internal documents were shredded. Could it be that the insider was now an outsider? Should he call him back, Gordon asked. What would he say to him? How could he be sure it wasn't a trick? Was he being paranoid?

The thing to do, we agreed, was for Gordon to call Gulson and see what he wanted.

Fred Gulson, it turns out, is an eccentric. No longer a lawyer, he is the biggest producer of tea-tree oil in the southern hemisphere, with 55 million trees on his northern NSW property.

Astute and organised in business, Gulson, however, is not your stereotypical, conscience-driven whistleblower. Loud, larger than life and with a voracious appetite for food, wine and speed - he has seven cars including a Maserati - he sets a blistering pace in restaurant and on road.

He's fond of fine panama hats, white brand-name jeans, black Drug Enforcement Agency T-shirts and Cuban cigars. He keeps a snake in his office. He's clearly not easily intimidated and usually gets his way. Gulson contacted Gordon furious at what he regarded as a serious misrepresentation of his views in court submissions lodged during BAT's appeal against McCabe's $700,000 damages award.

Soon after the footy oval meeting, Gordon called him back and they spoke several times on the phone. As their relationship developed, Gordon and his offsider, Andrew Higgins, set about wooing him, slowly egging him on to disclose details of BAT's document-retention policy.

When at last they met, Gulson had with him letters between himself and lawyers for a senior Clayton Utz partner who had advised on the document policy. Gordon and Higgins were desperate to photocopy the correspondence but Gulson wouldn't allow it. However, he agreed that Higgins could copy the letters by hand.

Gordon takes up the story: "One thing about Andrew is that he has cerebral palsy, which affects one side of him, including his hand, but it doesn't affect his writing with his good hand. He's as good a writer and as quick a writer as anyone."

But, after five minutes, Gordon noticed that Higgins hadn't made much progress. Eventually Gulson, too, noticed this and exclaimed, "Jesus, you're a slow writer Andrew."

Gordon recalls: "Andrew looked up with these mournful brown eyes and said, 'Yeah . . . I'm sorry Fred, it's just that I've got cerebral palsy'. There's a moment of great embarrassment followed by Fred saying, 'Ahh bugger it, give them to me, I'll copy them for you.' He went out of the room to copy them and I looked at Andrew and said, 'You're kidding'."

Gordon now believed he had absolute proof that BAT's document policy was designed to clear the company files of damaging internal documents. Here, after all, was a former company secretary and legal counsel saying that Supreme Court judge Eames had got it right when he found that the main purpose of the policy was to provide a means of "destroying damaging documents under the cover of an apparently innocent house-keeping arrangement". After further negotiations, Gulson signed an explosive affidavit accusing BAT of sanitising documents that would be damaging if produced in litigation or if they became public.

"It was obvious to everyone in the know what the strategy was," he said.

As pertinent as the affidavit and Gulson's insider status were, they would never be considered by the High Court, which, to Gordon's frustration, refused to examine new evidence.

A WEARY-looking Gulson, wearing shorts and a yellow windcheater, listens attentively as Gordon and barrister Jack Rush, QC, prepare him for his deposition the next day. He is in a Washington hotel room, and the lawyers are determined to focus him on the task.

Gulson agreed to appear as a witness in a lawsuit in which the US Department of Justice accused Big Tobacco of fraud and racketeering over 50 years. At that stage - tobacco has since successfully appealed this penalty - the lawsuit aimed to claw back from tobacco companies $US280 million ($A369 million) of "ill-gotten" gains.

The stakes were high and the Department of Justice, which prosecuted the case, regarded Gulson as a star witness. Not only had he been senior at BAT, but his evidence went to the heart of what the tobacco company knew about smoking and health, as distinct from what it told the public.

Rush and Gordon want to give him a last-minute workout. Rush, leaning over Gulson, snaps: "You got sacked by (BAT affiliate) W.H. & H.O. Wills?"

Gulson: "Yes."

Rush: "And you got sacked because you weren't doing your job properly . . .

Gulson: "Is that right?"

Rush: "Well, you tell me, I'm putting it to you . . ."

Gordon, who has been listening intently, winces and says: "You're coming across at the moment as very argumentative."

Rush: "There will be the question that comes along where you can hit them over the fence. Use it, but use it, you know, discreetly . . . and you don't need to be a smart-arse."

Contrite, Gulson mutters, "OK".

His performance during an exhausting 11-hour deposition left Washington lawyers stunned. US Department of Justice attorneys swear they'd never seen or heard anything remotely like it before. Never heard two "f---ks" and one "a---hole" used in testimony before. Suffice to say that, sitting opposite half a dozen top-flight lawyers acting for the world's big tobacco companies, it took only minutes for Gulson to challenge them in an extraordinary test of strength.

The scene opens our documentary, The Big Lie. For Gordon, the deposition, and later Gulson's evidence at the trial, were a harrowing, white-knuckle ride, much like his ride with Gulson driving his army-style Hummer across Sydney Harbour Bridge. That day, Gordon was convinced he'd be decapitated as the open vehicle sped towards a barrier.

"He nailed it," says Gordon of Gulson's evidence. "He's an eccentric man, but for all of those eccentricities you've got to take your hat off to him. He did it and he did it for the right reasons . . . we got him across the line."

Today, the US case is mired in controversy. After tobacco companies won an appeal against a possible $US280 billion penalty, it was expected the Justice Department would seek $US130 billion for smoking cessation programs. However, only $US10 billion was sought, prompting claims that senior Bush administration officials, including a former tobacco lawyer, pressured the Department of Justice to slash the remedy amount. Democrats Henry Waxman, Edward Kennedy and others have called for an inquiry. The judge is considering her verdict.

 
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"Why do we always lose against tobacco companies?" he asks. "What does it mean that, no matter what the situation is, there's always some excuse for these appellate courts to chuck us out."

Because there are still some un-POZed, right-minded people left in the world who aren't completely out of touch with reality that believe - correctly - that if you make a choice to partake in what you know or should know to be a dangerous vice that you deserve whatever bad consequence befalls you, and that your poor choices shouldn't earn you gibs.
 
Mark Cuban caved in and the Covid protocols will be relaxed on Nov. 15.

The Mavericks have officially announced that COVID-19 protocols at the American Airlines Center will be relaxed starting November 15, when Dallas hosts the Denver Nuggets.

The revised health and safety measures are a result of the decline in average coronavirus case numbers and recent actions from local health officials. Mavericks owner Mark Cuban first told The Dallas Morning News of the franchise’s intentions to ease COVID-related restrictions earlier this month.

While fans ticketed within 15 feet of the courtside area will still need to comply with NBA entry requirements, fans throughout the rest of the arena will no longer need to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test or full vaccination. The building’s mask mandate will remain in effect for fans age two & up regardless of vaccination status, except when actively eating or drinking.

Special seating accommodations for those with compromised immune systems or similar conditions are being made.
 
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