Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[TheClappening]

The funny part is though, as for as the law goes, he would have been better off just mag dumping on Grosskreutz. Grosskreutz is the one witness that is unlikely to fuck over the prosecution.

I think he gets nailed on cross exam unless Chirafisi ODs in the bathtub and/or Richards starts Tourettesing with nigger.

They just have to ask him why he drew a weapon on Kyle.

If he says he was in fear of a perceived active shooter, he makes Kyle's case for him. If you fear great bodily harm or death from someone with a gun, what do you think Kyle perceived Grosskreutz as?

If he says he wasn't in fear, you ask why the fuck are you charging at someone with a gun.

 

[Snekposter]

From what I could tell he had been charged with felony burglary, but it was dismissed years before all of this. I think he was on probation at the time, but he's got the least solid info on him of all 3 the idiots.

IIRC it was a guilty plea since one of the guys in his group confessed to the cops after being arrested, but it was expunged from his record sometime after he got shot. Doesn't change the fact he was a convicted felon at the time, however.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I've seen conflicting things about if he has a conviction for a home invasion burglary. If so it's probably coming in, I'm not sure how this guy is going to testify about how he's such a hero without being up his character.

If he has a misdemeanor DV that can also deny a firearm purchase, and I think he has one.

 

[Mr Cuddles]

The " He shouldn't have been there so he guilty crowd" just want politically sanctioned violence against their opponents. That's why this case is so important, it's not just a matter of self defense but a matter of whether dem golems are allowed to burn your stuff and kill you.

 

[Balr0g]

A question: on day 5 they discussed about bringing up Huber's (the guy with the skateboard who got oneshooted by Kyle) criminal past and in essence the Judge allowed it should the prosecution put up the "he was good guy" spiel. So if Grosskreutz is portrayed as a good guy would the defense also be able to bring up his criminal past? And what about Grosskreutz's sperging "If I could I would have dumped my whole mag into Kyle". If I were the defense I would simply ask "So you were saying this" and then watch the prosecution have a meltdown. After all Kyle seems to have shown real remorse while Grosskreutz seems to be playing tough guy.

 

[theshitposter]

A question: on day 5 they discussed about bringing up Huber's (the guy with the skateboard who got oneshooted by Kyle) criminal past and in essence the Judge allowed it should the prosecution put up the "he was good guy" spiel. So if Grosskreutz is portrayed as a good guy would the defense also be able to bring up his criminal past? And what about Grosskreutz's sperging "If I could I would have dumped my whole mag into Kyle". If I were the defense I would simply ask "So you were saying this" and then watch the prosecution have a meltdown. After all Kyle seems to have shown real remorse while Grosskreutz seems to be playing tough guy.

in criminal cases, 'bad character' is irrelevant unless it is in reply to 'good character' evidence

 

[No bueno]

Does anyone have any of the videos of the Bicep Boi being treated and loaded into the bearcat? I remember that marine who testified Friday was there and people accuse him of being the shooter but I can't find the video.
At first I thought he was all jealous Kyle got to shoot someone and was trying to throw him under the buss but I heard a theory I might believe now.
I think Kyle told him he shot someone as he kinda testified and he ran the opposite direction and started licking shots off into the air like a middle eastern wedding in an attempt to pull some of the crowd off kyles tail. Makes sense why we can hear what sounds like rifle rounds behind Kyle during the second shooting and also why he conveniently "blacked out" during that period of the incident. Also makes sense why people were accusing him of being the shooter. They probably did see the guy shooting, just not into people.

 

[Evilronald]

I think he gets nailed on cross exam unless Chirafisi ODs in the bathtub and/or Richards starts Tourettesing with nigger.

They just have to ask him why he drew a weapon on Kyle.

If he says he was in fear of a perceived active shooter, he makes Kyle's case for him. If you fear great bodily harm or death from someone with a gun, what do you think Kyle perceived Grosskreutz as?

If he says he wasn't in fear, you ask why the fuck are you charging at someone with a gun.

Grosskreutz is a terrible witness for the prosecution. He has an extensive criminal background, has had strings pulled for him in numerous cases (he got a DUI dropped in Milwaukee County which would’ve got him put in jail), and generally doesn’t seem like a very smart guy from interviews I’ve seen with him. The defense has already done a good job of poisoning the jury against him by asking the detective why they didn’t search Gaige’s phone and were fine with just the clip he sent them instead of everything.

 

[WaltherPPGAY]

Grosskreutz is a terrible witness for the prosecution. He has an extensive criminal background, has had strings pulled for him in numerous cases (he got a DUI dropped in Milwaukee County which would’ve got him put in jail), and generally doesn’t seem like a very smart guy from interviews I’ve seen with him. The defense has already done a good job of poisoning the jury against him by asking the detective why they didn’t search Gaige’s phone and were fine with just the clip he sent them instead of everything.

The fact that Gross-arm was illegally possessing the firearm at the time ought to be admissible regardless of character evidence, but I'm not sure how it works when the state makes it retroactively legal.

 

[Snekposter]

The fact that Gross-arm was illegally possessing the firearm at the time ought to be admissible regardless of character evidence, but I'm not sure how it works when the state makes it retroactively legal.

I'm not exactly sure what they did with his conviction, and am not a lawyer, but I'm 99% certain that it being expunged after the fact does not make his actions at the time legal. Now he is no longer a convicted felon thanks to it being expunged, but at the time he still was.

 

[Fat Gay Riker]

And what about Grosskreutz's sperging "If I could I would have dumped my whole mag into Kyle".

My understanding is he said that to a friend who posted it on social media, so it's hearsay; you'd have to bring whoever posted it in to directly testify to Uniceps saying that, and I doubt they would.

 

[Meat Target]

I think he gets nailed on cross exam unless Chirafisi ODs in the bathtub and/or Richards starts Tourettesing with nigger.

They just have to ask him why he drew a weapon on Kyle.

If he says he was in fear of a perceived active shooter, he makes Kyle's case for him. If you fear great bodily harm or death from someone with a gun, what do you think Kyle perceived Grosskreutz as?

If he says he wasn't in fear, you ask why the fuck are you charging at someone with a gun.

Grosskreutz is a terrible witness for the prosecution. He has an extensive criminal background, has had strings pulled for him in numerous cases (he got a DUI dropped in Milwaukee County which would’ve got him put in jail), and generally doesn’t seem like a very smart guy from interviews I’ve seen with him. The defense has already done a good job of poisoning the jury against him by asking the detective why they didn’t search Gaige’s phone and were fine with just the clip he sent them instead of everything.

The fact that Gross-arm was illegally possessing the firearm at the time ought to be admissible regardless of character evidence, but I'm not sure how it works when the state makes it retroactively legal.

I'm not exactly sure what they did with his conviction, and am not a lawyer, but I'm 99% certain that it being expunged after the fact does not make his actions at the time legal. Now he is no longer a convicted felon thanks to it being expunged, but at the time he still was.

Couldn't bringing up the fact that Gaige illegally had a gun backfire with "what about Kyle?"

A question: on day 5 they discussed about bringing up Huber's (the guy with the skateboard who got oneshooted by Kyle) criminal past and in essence the Judge allowed it should the prosecution put up the "he was good guy" spiel. So if Grosskreutz is portrayed as a good guy would the defense also be able to bring up his criminal past? And what about Grosskreutz's sperging "If I could I would have dumped my whole mag into Kyle". If I were the defense I would simply ask "So you were saying this" and then watch the prosecution have a meltdown. After all Kyle seems to have shown real remorse while Grosskreutz seems to be playing tough guy.

The jury wasn't in the room when that exchange happened. But they should have been.

You would think the jurors would know about the Three Stooges' criminal records beforehand. I just hope it subconsciously influences their decision, even if it's not formally in evidence. Binger going on sidebars to keep it away from them is a recipe for the Streisand Effect.

Edit: could they casually mention it in closing statements?

"Whose side are you on? An idealistic teenager, or a pedo, a wife beater, and a drunken burlgar?"

It's technically not in evidence, but it does influence the jury. And influencing the jury is what the game is all about.

 

[AnOminous]

If courts were truly moral and just (lmao)
objecting to evidence favoring the opposition should be grounds as contempt of court and/or due process.

Why in the fuck would anyone object to evidence that didn't?

And what about Grosskreutz's sperging "If I could I would have dumped my whole mag into Kyle". If I were the defense I would simply ask "So you were saying this" and then watch the prosecution have a meltdown. After all Kyle seems to have shown real remorse while Grosskreutz seems to be playing tough guy.

It's a good thing that Rittenhouse [lowers shades] disarmed him.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH.

 

[Meat Target]

Send this to Rittenhouse/his lawyers before he testifies.

To anyone who says I'm on hopium: I'm seeing all of this happen during this trial.

 

[mate]

I'm catching up with this trial and marvelling at it and people's response to it. Sending Kyle down will absolutely kill every citizen's right to defend themselves... How could anyone want that? Why would any citizen want to do that?

Then I remember I'm from the UK and we got rid of that right in every meaningful sense a long time ago... And so many people, my family included, snicker at the USA for still having that right.

What the fuck has happened to the West?

 

[Titos]

Could the fact that Kyle only blew off Schnozzkreutz's arm instead of magdumping him be used by the defense or would that backfire?

 

[Meat Target]

Could the fact that Kyle only blew off Schnozzkreutz's arm instead of magdumping him be used by the defense or would that backfire?

I'm not sure. Maybe? You would want to frame it as "I shot to stop my attacker, not to kill. The fact that he died of his wounds is incidental."

 

[JohnDoe]

Could the fact that Kyle only blew off Schnozzkreutz's arm instead of magdumping him be used by the defense or would that backfire?

Its irrelevant. The point of shooting is to stop the threat, he shot, the threat stopped, a good shoot.

I think he gets nailed on cross exam unless Chirafisi ODs in the bathtub and/or Richards starts Tourettesing with nigger.

They just have to ask him why he drew a weapon on Kyle.

If he says he was in fear of a perceived active shooter, he makes Kyle's case for him. If you fear great bodily harm or death from someone with a gun, what do you think Kyle perceived Grosskreutz as?

If he says he wasn't in fear, you ask why the fuck are you charging at someone with a gun.

I think that the biggest problem that Slow-Draw has is that he was livestreaming that night, spoke to Kyle, and Kyle told him that he was going to get the police, after which Gaige sets the crowd on him! You could argue that the only reason Kyle was attacked while running down the street was because Gaig put a target on his back.

Kyle says he's going to the police, why would you want to stop him?

 

[Secret Messages]

I cannot imagine the thought process of anyone that has watched the video footage and still believes Kyle is guilty of anything. These people are not human, they have been so broken by the media circus that they would defend a child rapist, a wifebeater, and a violent criminal trying to kill a kid, simply because their politics are right and Kyle's aren't. They have been programmed to the extent that they will literally refuse to believe their own eyes over the official narrative. If the media told people the sky wasn't blue, they would ask you for a source when you pointed up.

 

[Stoneheart]

. He has an extensive criminal background, has had strings pulled for him in numerous cases (he got a DUI dropped in Milwaukee County which would’ve got him put in jail), and generally doesn’t seem like a very smart guy from interviews I’ve seen with him. The defense has already done a good job of poisoning the jury against him by asking the detective why they didn’t search Gaige’s phone and were fine with just the clip he sent them instead of everything.

I would laugh my ass of if he worked for the glowies in some way and drops that by accident.

@AnOminous what can the defense do if GG has loose lips and talks about how he is a Fed informant or shit like that? can they call FBI glowies as witnesses at this point in time?