The Eternals - marvel is trying it again this time less humor and hit music and more unnecessary love triangles

[Gar For Archer]

Probably the funniest thing about Agents of Shield to me is that they went out of their way to cast someone who’s actually half-Chinese for a character who’s half-Chinese, except she doesn’t look it at all, so it just looks like “whitewashing”.

Really, she looks more white or Latino than any kind of Asian, especially when you put her next to Ming-na Wen.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Probably the funniest thing about Agents of Shield to me is that they went out of their way to cast someone who’s actually half-Chinese for a character who’s half-Chinese, except she doesn’t look it at all, so it just looks like “whitewashing”.

Really, she looks more white or Latino than any kind of Asian, especially when you put her next to Ming-na Wen.

it actually works that way a lot of the time, considering the (relatively) small genetic gap between whites and asians. Remember that the Van Halen brothers were 1/4 Indonesian, and you'd never know it by looking.

 

[Seventh Star]

Netflix Punisher is probably the worst out of that bunch. Barely kills anyone in the first season.

I haven't finished watching S2, but Punisher is the only thing I kind of liked from Marvel recently because of how grounded it was. It's not amazing but it more than gets the job done. I really enjoyed that it wasn't just a dumb action series, and the payoff at the end was great. It was pretty fuckin tense at times even, and I love Jon Bernthal in anything he's in. I think the only mistake they made was the Jigsaw cliffhanger.

 

[Water-T]

Jessica being abjectly unlikable at best, a massive drunken cunt at worse and having it be excused with "MUH RAPE."

Which is ironic, considering that Killgrave COULD have raped her in the Alias comic series, but he thought it was much better to just make her stand there and watch him rape other women while filling her with the desire to WANT to get raped by him as well. That's a whole new level of fucked up.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I haven't finished watching S2, but Punisher is the only thing I kind of liked from Marvel recently because of how grounded it was. It's not amazing but it more than gets the job done. I really enjoyed that it wasn't just a dumb action series, and the payoff at the end was great. It was pretty fuckin tense at times even, and I love Jon Bernthal in anything he's in. I think the only mistake they made was the Jigsaw cliffhanger.

It's telling that the best scene in season 1 was Jon Bernthal throwing a football around.

 

[Water-T]

The netflix shows suffered heavily from episode bloat.

Most of them were 13 episodes long and they didnt have enough content to fill out all of that. All of them, with maybe the exception of Daredevil, had so much fucking padding you could literally watch it with a phone on your hand and not miss much.

I first noticed this when watching the first season of Jessica Jones and realizing how fucking boring it was. Luke Cage S1 also had its share of problems with the main (and best) villain die by episode 7 and then having to rush along a new even badder villain before it ended.

I pretty much gave up on Netflix MCU by the time Defenders came around, but from what I heard the quality didnt improve one bit... with, again, maybe the exception of Daredevil S3, which I hear is pretty good.

Agreed. Many of them could have been pared down from 13 episodes down to 8 to 10 episodes without losing anything but padding. The only season that needed 13 episodes was season one of Daredevil, and that's it.

Iron Fist s1 sucked soooo bad. The lead was bland (and rumor had it he never bothered to learn his moves or lines), the trust fund son was annoying, and who gave a shit about Lesbian Lawyer? At least Madame Gao was in it. She is so fucking awesome.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

I remember when the defenders came out and a clickbait article was claiming that this series was breaking all the gender norms because nornally with Super hero teams the most formidable member of the team is a man (Superman,Thor etc). But in The defenders it was a woman Jessica Jones who was the most powerful member of the team. Now I only watched Daredevil and didnt borher with the rest of the series before watching Defenders but nothing in that series showed to me that Jessica was the most powerful, in fact she has a brief fight with Daredevil and nothing even inplied that she would have won if the fight went on.
The funniest thing was that this whole article happened aroubd the same time the CW crossover was airing which features a team up of Flash Supergirl and Arrow ie an actual teamup where we can argue the woman is the most powerful member

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I remember when the defenders came out and a clickbait article was claiming that this series was breaking all the gender norms because nornally with Super hero teams the most formidable member of the team is a man (Superman,Thor etc). But in The defenders it was a woman Jessica Jones who was the most powerful member of the team. Now I only watched Daredevil and didnt borher with the rest of the series before watching Defenders but nothing in that series showed to me that Jessica was the most powerful, in fact she has a brief fight with Daredevil and nothing even inplied that she would have won if the fight went on.
The funniest thing was that this whole article happened aroubd the same time the CW crossover was airing which features a team up of Flash Supergirl and Arrow ie an actual teamup where we can argue the woman is the most powerful member

Isn't Luke Cage literally bulletproof?

 

[RumblyTumbly]

See this is where the diversity nonsense becomes cancerous.

Worrying about who is the strongest and who would win in a fight is pure childish playground bullshit that most male fans outgrow by 6th grade. Its like arguing over who the strongest Ninja Turtle is.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter who is the strongest. What matters most is how the team gels together and how they work to accomplish their goals. Batman is actually one of if not the weakest core member of the JLA by virtue of not being a metahuman....and yet nobody thinks any less of Batman. Going back to my Ninja Turtles example, it doesn't matter so much who the strongest is, but rather how they all put their skills together to win the day. Captain America is actually one of the weaker members of The Avengers as well. I mean compare him to Thor, Hulk, and even Iron Man (who Cap needed help from Bucky to defeat in Civil War) , and Cap doesn't match up. HOWEVER, Cap is the guy that can formulate plans and lead by example, making him a crucial member of the team. Oh and what about Sokka in Last Airbender, the only human member of Team Avatar and the only human main character that is not a bender of any kind...and yet he manages to hold his own as an extremely valuable member of the team.

I can go on and on and on and on, but worrying about who is strongest this and that is childish and dumb. It isn't about that and when you write stuff that comes from that mindset, your media becomes reductive and stupid.

 

[KingofNothing]

IIRC one of the movie execs that came in after phase one didn't like having a TV show on ABC so he basically did everything in his power to fuck AOS and Agent Carter in the ass.

I didn't watch either of those shows, so why would a suit hate either show enough to actively fuck them out of canon? Seems a bit petty.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

Isn't Luke Cage literally bulletproof?

From what I saw, yes I guess the writer couldn't be bothered to watch his series or The Defenders, but I dont blame him since both suck.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

While we are talking about the Marvel shows I just want to say The Punisher show was a decent show but a fucking god awful Punisher adaptation. It honestly didn't feel like Punisher until that final scene in season 2.

Punisher is never going to have a good adaptation under Disney simply because they'll always go out of their way to make him "decent".

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I remember when the defenders came out and a clickbait article was claiming that this series was breaking all the gender norms because nornally with Super hero teams the most formidable member of the team is a man (Superman,Thor etc). But in The defenders it was a woman Jessica Jones who was the most powerful member of the team. Now I only watched Daredevil and didnt borher with the rest of the series before watching Defenders but nothing in that series showed to me that Jessica was the most powerful, in fact she has a brief fight with Daredevil and nothing even inplied that she would have won if the fight went on.
The funniest thing was that this whole article happened aroubd the same time the CW crossover was airing which features a team up of Flash Supergirl and Arrow ie an actual teamup where we can argue the woman is the most powerful member

She really came across like a glass cannon in Defenders and the only reason she holds her own is because of Conservation of Ninjutsu. Against someone like Daredevil who can evade her untrained strikes, she'd lose. In a plot sense, the focus was on Iron Fist having the MacGuffin power anyways who also in-universe is a trained martial artist, so Feminist writers are wrong in that regard too.

Of course, I'm ignoring the much bigger problem of how her sticking around a weird fight involving the Hand goes against her character in the first place.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Iron Fist s1 sucked soooo bad. The lead was bland (and rumor had it he never bothered to learn his moves or lines), the trust fund son was annoying, and who gave a shit about Lesbian Lawyer? At least Madame Gao was in it. She is so fucking awesome.

I don't think the lead was the problem, even though he didn't look like he got buffed at the monestary he got stuck in. The real issue was the showrunner, Scott Buck, who is also notorious for fucking up the latter seasons of Dexter and The Inhumans. The man is known for pleasing people in the cheapest way possible, which is probably why Season 2, while not a masterpiece, is a big improvement and streamlined the story. Although, I kinda hate that the Iron Fist lost his power to Steel Serpent for a while.

And the lesbian in the comics was actually a guy, but you know....social justice. Just like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. I mean, every episode of Luke Cage has a long musical note to it in the club. What was even the point of that?

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I don't think the lead was the problem, even though he didn't look like he got buffed at the monestary he got stuck in. The real issue was the showrunner, Scott Buck, who is also notorious for fucking up the latter seasons of Dexter and The Inhumans. The man is known for pleasing people in the cheapest way possible, which is probably why Season 2, while not a masterpiece, is a big improvement and streamlined the story. Although, I kinda hate that the Iron Fist lost his power to Steel Serpent for a while.

And the lesbian in the comics was actually a guy, but you know....social justice. Just like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. I mean, every episode of Luke Cage has a long musical note to it in the club. What was even the point of that?

And Season 2 of Iron Fist has some serious tism too.

Ward: Power's like an addiction, Danny.

Danny: Hey Colleen. I need to share my power with you.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

From what I saw, yes I guess the writer couldn't be bothered to watch his series or The Defenders, but I dont blame him since both suck.

Or read the source material. You'd think that would be a prerequisite for working on the show, but I'm just some rando on the internet as opposed to a highly paid pedophile Hollywood creative visionary.

 

[Internet's Boyfriend]

What was wrong with that one?

The first season of Jessica Jones kinda sat weird with me because I got the vibe that the writers had some sort of piss fetish. Like seriously there were three separate instances involving characters pissing themselves and it's like okay? I guess they were trying to be like "Kilgrave's mind control is so powerful people do what he says even if it means ignoring basic bodily functions" but I just found it off-putting.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

The netflix shows suffered heavily from episode bloat.

Most of them were 13 episodes long and they didnt have enough content to fill out all of that. All of them, with maybe the exception of Daredevil, had so much fucking padding you could literally watch it with a phone on your hand and not miss much.

I first noticed this when watching the first season of Jessica Jones and realizing how fucking boring it was. Luke Cage S1 also had its share of problems with the main (and best) villain die by episode 7 and then having to rush along a new even badder villain before it ended.

I pretty much gave up on Netflix MCU by the time Defenders came around, but from what I heard the quality didnt improve one bit... with, again, maybe the exception of Daredevil S3, which I hear is pretty good.

Bloat is something all modern shows suffer from, because they basically take a story that could be told in 3-4 hours and stretch it out to last 8 to 10. Fucking Perry Mason was like that. Took 8+ hours to finish up a plot the original series would have covered in one forty-minute episode, maybe two, and it wasn't even very memorable. Nothing is allowed to have stand alone episodes anymore; everything has to be part of an overarching plot.

When people say shit like The Eternals needed to be a Disney+ series to "let it breathe," what they really should be saying is it needed to be a 4-hour movie or a two-part movie. It doesn't need to be 12 episodes long, because that just leads to a bunch of superfluous shit to pad everything out.

Probably the funniest thing about Agents of Shield to me is that they went out of their way to cast someone who’s actually half-Chinese for a character who’s half-Chinese, except she doesn’t look it at all, so it just looks like “whitewashing”.

Really, she looks more white or Latino than any kind of Asian, especially when you put her next to Ming-na Wen.

I thought she was hispanic until just a month ago, when I looked her up and found out her last name is really Wang. Quite a WTF moment.

 

[Goodbye Horses]

It does make since, I always thought it was odd Coulson being alive was never mention in the movies. Also Agent Carter the show is completely erased after Endgame's ending even through season 1 finale could have easily played into the origin of the Winter solider project.

Also in Loki it's never brought up that Coulson is alive to Loki.

Why exactly did the guy hate the two shows? Was it really just becuase they were on ABC?

It wasn't because someone hated the shows (though Feige probably did), it was fallout from Marvel Studios being split off from the rest of Marvel. When that happened Ike Permutter and his little band of buttmonkeys like Whedon and Bendis got completely cut off from the movie productions, which was the whole point, but they retained control of the TV shows. Obviously Disney didn't want two parallel production arms, but trying to take the whole lot away in one go would have been a costly and protracted battle, so they took their time about it instead.
Because Disney considered the movies the priority, the TV division lost access to any characters or properties that Studios might want to use in the movies, such as Peggy Carter. Because that was an ABC show completely owned by Disney it got cancelled right away. As compensation The Inhumans was changed from a movie to a TV show so Perlmutter could keep control of it, mostly as he was the only person to give a shit about that project.
When The Inhumans failed and the viewership of the Netflix shows started to flag, Disney used it as an excuse to let the contracts lapse, effectively cancelling them despite Neflix and Perlmutter wanting to keep them going. Plans for various spinoffs and new shows also got cancelled so that Studios could take control of the characters. The only reason Agents of Shit went on for so long, albeit on a shoestring budget, was so Disney could run out their contract with Mutant Enemy and avoid having to give Whedon another show or pay out a huge penalty.
As soon as the last of the existing TV contracts was up and all ties to Whedon et al. cut, all TV production got moved under the control of Studios and there was nothing Perlmutter could do about it.

 

[Water-T]

When people say shit like The Eternals needed to be a Disney+ series to "let it breathe," what they really should be saying is it needed to be a 4-hour movie or a two-part movie. It doesn't need to be 12 episodes long, because that just leads to a bunch of superfluous shit to pad everything out.

Disney + shows learned from Netflix and keep their seasons between 6 to 9 episodes long. Eternals would work better as an 7 or 8 episode series where each character gets development by showing their lives after they originally disbanded.