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Rebuttal is over (unless I'm dumb). Jury has been sent home until Monday (for sure).
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DelusionTree
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I thought Binger claimed to have two more rebuttal witnesses left to present and told the judge it was only a few minutes of questioning for both of them.
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He as much as said that he intends to try and use a Provocation exception to torpedo Kyle's Self Defense claim, since he told the judge yesterday he'd like Provocation included in their jury instructions. I'm praying that Hard R and 47 not only object, but well, and prevent Binger from trying to weasel that in because it seems like that is his last chance to try sliming it up. Binger plans to include the Provocation information as instruction, then at closing insinuate or outright testify that Kyle provoked all the violence somehow and thus must lay down and die - giving possible activists a fig leaf.
Either Binger will suggest that
- being in Kenosha armed that night counts as Provocation (which is ridiculous and outside the scope of the law) and also a potential issue with his 1st and 2nd Amendment right to boot
- Kyle's good faith attempts to render medical aid and prevent arson (by non-violent means) somehow present as Provocation, which is nonsensical unless you believe people have the right to arson
- that Kyle was armed with a long gun illegally and thus his violation of that law counts as Provocation, except that the State's own witnesses testified that they thought Kyle was 19, 20-something, even 25! There is zero testimony that anyone thought Kyle was underage and illegally carrying
- that Kyle 'pointed his gun at Ziminsky' and that counts as Provocation for Rosenbaum, which even if true or had any evidence still doesn't work because Provocation doesn't 'transfer' and even under Provocation retreating or taking other action to diffuse the conflict regains your right to self defense
Point 1 is ludicrous and overbroad, as is point 2. The issues with point 3 and 4 comes down to a rule about closing arguments, and how generally only evidence that has been entered into the record can be used in them. This is referred to as 'facts not in evidence' issue in most circuits, and is pretty serious, you find several appeals where this is a core issue. Regardless, the point is that attorneys cannot suddenly insert at closing new facts that were not submitted, crossed, and confronted. There is no evidence in the record that anyone believed Kyle was underage, and there is no evidence in the record from eye-witness testimony, video, picture, or otherwise of an act of Provocation. The State's own eye-witnesses did not testify to Kyle ever doing anything that counts as provocation in general. In specific, the testimony of Balch and McGinnis cover both overall and specific time frames where Provocation would be an issue and they not only failed to mention any such acts, but their testimony precludes them.
The specific thought that Kyle pointed his rifle at Ziminsky is a 'fact' insofar as a fact is in court, in that is it must be testified on and subject to examination and cross by the defense. No witness has testified that this act occurred, in fact the State's witnesses deny that it happened. No witness has testified to a video of this, or even an interpretation - the state's own 'expert' witness did not analyze or interpret the blurry sasquatch.jpeg and the only person concluding it shows a provoking act is Binger. That Kyle may or may not have pointed his rifle at Ziminsky is not a fact for the jury to deliberate on, as it has zero basis in testimony or evidence and is a fabrication of Binger.
Worse still, this would be another deliberate act of prosecutorial misconduct that fits in with the pattern of Binger, and should be a part of the motion to dismiss with prejudice. Binger has in this case a history of Brady violations, in particular his directives for police to seize the phones or everyone and videotape all interview except with Grosskreutz and the long delays or failures to provide the defense with discovery until prompted by the court. Binger's failure to subpoena Ziminsky during his case in chief or as a rebuttal witness was a deliberate choice designed to keep the defense from having opportunity to confront this ridiculous legal theory that Binger is trying to bring in at the 11th hour without foundation. It would be a violation of the criminal procedures and basic Constitutional rights.
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I genuinely don't understand the obsession some people have with "crossing state lines" . That's the least interesting and important aspect of this case, and I've seen it brought up constantly. Isn't main issue here whether Kyle shot people in self-defense? Who gives a shit what state he did it in? It like saying worrying about whether someone accused of murder in Pennsylvania crossed state lines to buy the gun in Delaware so he wouldn't have to pay sales tax on it.
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They had two more claims left to rebut and only had a witness for one. I was surprised they weren't on after photo. I think it's over, but that might happen Monday before closing arguments.
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I don't know. A lot more people hate cops than hate 17 year old baby faced kids.
Oh you can bet Binger is every bit the douche, cam on or cam off. He very clearly is one of these idiots always convinced he is the smartest guy in every room-and incapable of hiding his contempt for idiots who oppose him (and of course anyone who oppose him is by definition an idiot). You can't just turn that level of asshole on and off like flipping a switch. In short, he has a very bad case of Prosecutoritis.
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This. It isn't uncommon at all for a kid to be "home" in two houses, one for mom and one for dad. We're talking a drive that is less than the average commute.
Unless of course I just missed the massive border wall and checkpoints between Illinois and Wisconsin.
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Changing the jury instructions for that would be ridiculous. It makes sense for the minor in possession charge because it's probably not a very common charge, and the current instructions go against the statute. The jury instructions for intentional homicide and reckless endangering are tried and true and the kinds of things they would have put a lot of effort into to get right.
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I know we all like to beat on retarded pinatas but please stop giving Muh Vagina validation. They are part of the group of trolls (using the term extremely loosely) who think making asses out of themselves for a reaction means they are "winning"
DelusionTree
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If Binger was finally able to flip Ziminsky into testifying by threatening him with an arson conviction, he will try to backdoor him at the last possible moment to fuck the defense without any notice.
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The way I have come to understand it through these various cases, of course none of them taking place in WI so it could be different, is that you have to declare you want a Bench Trial BEFORE you know who the judge is so it can be super risky depending on who you get, and in the end it's better odds that you can convince 1 person out of 12 that you're innocent over one man.
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The perpetually outraged are still outraged. News at 11
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Judge in Kyle Rittenhouse trial faces backlash for off-color Asian food joke
The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse homicide trial is facing backlash for making an off-handed joke about Asian food in the courtroom Thursday.
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Binger bringing up the "oh he was only reaching for your gun" bullshit made me hate him more than any other person on the planet frankly. Him pretending that having a sling makes it so someone can't take the rifle made me hate him even more. Fucker has clearly never walked a large dog only for it to get excited and bolt off in a direction and drag him with it. A sling, much like a leash works both ways and if someone stronger than you gets a hold of the gun while it's still attached to you then they basically have you on a leash.
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I was thinking Brown Dan Levy. Those boxcar eyebrows of the Levy clan.
Michael Janke
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i think its the similar donward sloping head shape, he also has a tan.
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He cannot testify to anything that was brought up to rebut, but I wouldn't put it past him to try and surprise them with it. High risk, but they're currently fucked on facts and appear to be actively trying for mistrial.
I mean, they tried to bring in Pedobum being a pedo. Which is bad for them and excluded.
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The "minor with dangerous weapon" charge, charged as an adult... that part breaks my brain. I get it, but it is fun to watch people's WTF faces when you say it out loud.
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someone on Nicks stream called it. they said this exact thing would happen.
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Hopefully any backlash he gets gives him more reason to yeet Binger with prejudiceThe perpetually outraged are still outraged. News at 11
Judge in Kyle Rittenhouse trial faces backlash for off-color Asian food joke
The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse homicide trial is facing backlash for making an off-handed joke about Asian food in the courtroom Thursday.
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"Faces Backlash"The perpetually outraged are still outraged. News at 11
Judge in Kyle Rittenhouse trial faces backlash for off-color Asian food joke
The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse homicide trial is facing backlash for making an off-handed joke about Asian food in the courtroom Thursday.
He probably hasn't even noticed LMFAO.
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