The Eternals - marvel is trying it again this time less humor and hit music and more unnecessary love triangles

[Gar For Archer]

Bloat is something all modern shows suffer from, because they basically take a story that could be told in 3-4 hours and stretch it out to last 8 to 10. Fucking Perry Mason was like that. Took 8+ hours to finish up a plot the original series would have covered in one forty-minute episode, maybe two, and it wasn't even very memorable. Nothing is allowed to have stand alone episodes anymore; everything has to be part of an overarching plot.

When people say shit like The Eternals needed to be a Disney+ series to "let it breathe," what they really should be saying is it needed to be a 4-hour movie or a two-part movie. It doesn't need to be 12 episodes long, because that just leads to a bunch of superfluous shit to pad everything out.


I thought she was hispanic until just a month ago, when I looked her up and found out her last name is really Wang. Quite a WTF moment.

Nah, there’s pretty big structural differences between a miniseries and a movie (or two movies). The Disney+ series are also “only” 6 episodes long (Loki has a runtime of around 250 minutes, just over four hours) so it’s actually just about the length you would want.

I think the main difference between a long movie (or two movies) and a miniseries of identical runtime is that movies, based on their long, continuous format, necessarily tend to place more importance on the overarching story, whereas a miniseries can get away with more episodic storytelling. Eternals, with how many fucking characters it has, would benefit greatly from an episodic format that focuses on 2-3 of them at a time in the first four episodes, before bringing them together for a final conflict in the last two.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Nah, there’s pretty big structural differences between a miniseries and a movie (or two movies). The Disney+ series are also “only” 6 episodes long (Loki has a runtime of around 250 minutes, just over four hours) so it’s actually just about the length you would want.

I think the main difference between a long movie (or two movies) and a miniseries of identical runtime is that movies, based on their long, continuous format, necessarily tend to place more importance on the overarching story, whereas a miniseries can get away with more episodic storytelling. Eternals, with how many fucking characters it has, would benefit greatly from an episodic format that focuses on 2-3 of them at a time in the first four episodes, before bringing them together for a final conflict in the last two.

Yeah, that would do the trick. Giving George more focus in particular would have helped, since he was the first to openly defy the Prime Directive and yet fucked off at the end.

(Ironically, though it will never get made, the stage is actually quite well set for Eternals 2: they have a clear objective and a managable cast size, two things that were pointedly missing from the first one.)

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Do you even need to do Galactus after this movie?

The way the Celestials function here is basically Galactus but with some different details.

 

[Water-T]

Do you even need to do Galactus after this movie?

The way the Celestials function here is basically Galactus but with some different details.

The funny thing is, Marvel already did a Celestials vs Galactus series about 20 years ago.

In the "Earth X" miniseries, everyone is turned into superhumans after the Inhumans release Terrigen Mists. The Celestials show up because the Earth contains a Celestial embryo about to hatch. They altered Humans millions of years ago to be capable of becoming super powered in order to act as protectors of their "egg". Then Galactus shows up and it turns out that he eats planets in order to consume Celestial fetuses before they emerge. He beats back the Celestials, performs a cosmic scale abortion, and leaves. (Oh, and the real Galactus was killed by Reed Richards long ago and Franklin used his cosmic power to take over as the big G)

Then there was a follow up miniseries where the Earth is now suffering extreme climate fuckery since the Earth's lack of an embryo core has thrown off its mass and shifted it off its axis.

 

[SmugAutist]

All of this.

For some reason, Daredevil was the only one that could handle the 13 episode load, but the rest of them just felt like a slog. Luke Cage would be good...if they trimmed about 5 or 6 episodes. Jessica Jones I watched Seasons 1 and 2, and Season 1 was way too long while Season 2 was a goddamn boring mess. The Punisher, which I thought I was going to like, had way too much extraneous shit thrown in there to, once again, pad it out to 13 episodes when you only needed like 6. And the less said about Iron Fist, the better.

Daredevil is a hero that has probably the best stories in all of Marvel, and is a compelling character that you can have several episodes of just him going to church and exploring his moral code without boring the audience to death. The same can be said for his villains. He could have jumped to having his own movies without a problem, which is not something you can say about all the other characters in the pre Disney + shows.

 

[Screamer]

When people say shit like The Eternals needed to be a Disney+ series to "let it breathe," what they really should be saying is it needed to be a 4-hour movie or a two-part movie. It doesn't need to be 12 episodes long, because that just leads to a bunch of superfluous shit to pad everything out.

My thinking of it being a Disney+ series is that it was written as poorly as their Marvel ones. The entire thing could have been broken up into episodes. And be another, "it doesn't really work" series. Odd plotting and pacing.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

This movie is so bland it's thread ended up being a discussion of TV shows