Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

Joe and troons generally try to present the "choice" of transitioning as just one among many, instead of recognizing that puberty is the default. When you tell them we can't trans kids because they are still developing and can't make good decisions because they're hormonal, they respond, "Wow, puberty sounds really bad, I guess everyone should block their puberty until they can decide!" They are in rebellion against the life cycle itself. They hate puberty, parents, births, because they're reminders that humans go with the flow of time and can't reverse the changes in our bodies that are inevitable. It's just wild to me that they don't believe in like ... entropy or evolution or anything.
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There is a profile on Fedi that encapsulates that idea, that mantra that troons keep on pushing :
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"Defy Nature, Defy God. goal is to defy nature by becoming what nature nor god didn't want me to be."

I think Joe, like many other troons, un-admittingly hold himself to that idea. They want to stop puberty from happening because it proves not only themselves wrong but also that nature will go on unchallenged. And of course, they do not like God, because in a way, they want to be gods themselves, deciding when and how puberty happens, getting to toy with children's phenotype for their own amusement and to keep on stating things that do not comply with observable reality. No wonder troons love post-modernism so much, because that's the only philosophical scapegoat to their own delusions. Or better said, the only philosophy that justifies them to "be what neither nature nor god wanted them to be".
 
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Anyone who doesn't laugh at Titania McGrath has a heart of stone.

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Joe writes in italics in the transcripts below.

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They continue to go back and forth on the history of leftism and the meaning of fascism, both making civil but incompatible points.

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Andrew says he doesn't agree with forcing pronoun usage or even forcing people to recognize gay marriage. He then says:

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Which Joe interprets as:

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(Note that this convo took place a few weeks after the initial back-and-forth. And when he didn't reply, Joemade snippy tweets about Andrew hating trans people.)

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So this just shows that Joe clearly escalated after Andrew tweeted something he didn't like.

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He is also being accused of being a nonce by literally everyone who reads his twitter threads right now. All he said was that children's innocence is a MyTh!!!!
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"Defy Nature, Defy God. goal is to defy nature by becoming what nature nor god didn't want me to be."

Aren't troonz and ess jay double ewws euphoric atheists? Pretty sure they are, so which is it, Obama? Either God is dead, or you do believe in a higher power (even if that higher power walked straight off the set of Prometheus), pick a lane.

Because Lucifer, the Morning Star sought to defy God for similar reasons. But God is not your trick pony.

Pride comes before the fall, great professor.
 
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Seeing a narc's DARVOing repeatedly fail in such a way brings me immense joy. Doyle refuse to concede to any of his attacks without giving Joe any new angles or munition. Joe would get his ass handed to him on a silver platter if he engaged Doyle in a public debate. He's a loony "intellectual" only interested in winning despite all his claims to the contrary.
"Andrew. This is very silly." is a super condescending version of "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over." and manages to sound twice as robotic. Joe's been talking down at him all along, just like a smug teacher to a naughty student. What a fucking jackass.
 
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"Trans intellectuals are skirting very close to defending pedophiles."
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New Grace Lavery meme just dropped.
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The main issue, which this guy tried to pin him down on, is that Joe doesn't know how to argue that teens can consent to surgery but not sex except to gesture toward current law. !!!
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This is the classic social justice take that critical theory and its children has beget so forcefully into the hands of all these pseudointellectuals:
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It’s a dumb, cowardly way of getting out of an argument or avoiding having to provide a solution.

“A man is harassing me at work. What should I do?”
“Well in my opinion, no one should have to go to work at all!”

“I am worried about gun violence in this neighborhood.”
“Which is why I think we should invent bullet-proof exoskeletons to walk around in. All other gun-related ideas are not as clever as mine!"

“Can you help decide what to have for dinner tonight?”
“Actually I think it would be better if food could be created in a replicator like in Star Trek.”

Aren't troonz and ess jay double ewws euphoric atheists? Pretty sure they are, so which is it, Obama? Either God is dead, or you do believe in a higher power (even if that higher power walked straight off the set of Prometheus), pick a lane.

Because Lucifer, the Morning Star sought to defy God for similar reasons. But God is not your trick pony.

Pride comes before the fall, great professor.
Many might claim to be atheists, but gender ideology relies on the idea of a feminine or masculine “soul” that does or does not match up to one’s body and is somehow entirely separate from it (you can't be "born in the wrong body" unless you believe in a self outside of and separate from a body) as well as the idea of a non-material platonic ideal of female and male. Those are religious beliefs.

Anyway, God might be dead, but nature isn’t, and nature always wins lol

Seeing a narc's DARVOing repeatedly fail in such a way brings me immense joy. Doyle refuse to concede to any of his attacks without giving Joe any new angles or munition. Joe would get his ass handed to him on a silver platter if he engaged Doyle in a public debate. He's a loony "intellectual" only interested in winning despite all his claims to the contrary.
"Andrew. This is very silly." is a super condescending version of "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over." and manages to sound twice as robotic. Joe's been talking down at him all along, just like a smug teacher to a naughty student. What a fucking jackass.
Joe comes across as a smug little worm who is accustomed to pulling one over on midwits but who doesn't realize that smart people see right through him. He just keeps using the same weaselly tactics on people who see what he's doing, and doesn't realize he is embarrassing himself.

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Yes Joe, everyone just woke up today and randomly decided to call you a nonce because you are "a trans woman at a university." Definitely not because you said a bunch of creepy pedo shit.

In all honesty, I don't think Joe is a nonce. I do think he is too arrogant and narcissistic enough to realize or care that he is pushing a strain of ideology that aims to make children accessible to adult predators. To dip into that kind of self-reflection might mean having to think about the fact that he is part of a movement that mostly empowers male fetishists, and that he is a fetishist himself.

He also thinks he's smarter and more knowledgeable than anyone else, particularly when it comes to topics he associates with women, and so he cannot grasp that he knows absolutely fucking nothing about kids or what is best for them. Families and protecting children are subjects that he, the enlightened feminist male, knows better than any of those silly women that might have given birth and raised kids themselves, or any of those dumb fathers who probably have not even written a single paper about gender theory.
 
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Don't think Joe is a nonce. Who knows though, some very brazen people have hidden in plain sight before now.

He's definitely a malign and controlling individual when it comes to adult relationships though. Three marriages,, a permanent move to another country, a carefully styled absence of a past. If I was an investigative journalist, I would be very interested in Joseph Lavery.
 
I am LOVING the fact that Joe Lavery is just uwu, so so sad that he's being called a pedo, and No One , in cluding his "academic friends" are standing up in defense for him like Joe asked for in his tweets.

Keep it up Twitter! It hurts Joe's feeeeelings.

Not because none of his compatriots in academia aren't speaking out that he's not a pedo.

Totally not that at all! He's just sad about the disingenuous name calling. Sneed more Joe.

He just wants.. well does anybody really know? He changes his mind or his narrative when criticized in a way he can't refute. Like his "consensual" and publically posted abuse Of Mallory.

I sip my coffee with a very satisfying grin this am, what gold.

I am so, sooo hoping he pulls a Milo and we get some unearthed shit that proves he is at least a pedo apologist and loses his teaching job.

Many might claim to be atheists, but gender ideology relies on the idea of a feminine or masculine “soul” that does or does not match up to one’s body and is somehow entirely separate from it (you can't be "born in the wrong body" unless you believe in a self outside of and separate from a body) as well as the idea of a non-material platonic ideal of female and male. Those are religious beliefs.

Anyway, God might be dead, but nature isn’t, and nature always wins lol
Eh I know some actual non religious/cultural pagans (kinda the practice without the belief or faith in the goddess or gods, as most people would define "belief") and because they believe in "nature" they believe nature can get it wrong, so diety doesn't matter as much.

Not trying to derail. Since Joe seems to be raised in the typical mostly agostic or athiest fashion of England (I deleted a long SOciolgical sperg on this because it's not impt, except that Joe wasn't raised in America where our population has more religious people by volume and culturally how that affects us differently)

-Then it's not surprising he would miss a lot of obvious religious nuances of America. Especially the kind that that Americans (religious or not) are most likely to definitely notice, mainly because since we have more religious people by volume and that Americans are More used to being raised around other denominations and can spot the differences better than the English do, (also deleted a sperg on school systems and how theya re directly influenced by their area's religions)

My background is not exactly his area of England tho so maybe my understanding if this is outdated by now.
 
Don't think Joe is a nonce. Who knows though, some very brazen people have hidden in plain sight before now.

He's definitely a malign and controlling individual when it comes to adult relationships though. Three marriages,, a permanent move to another country, a carefully styled absence of a past. If I was an investigative journalist, I would be very interested in Joseph Lavery.
I don't think he is personally a pedo, but I don't think he has a problem with others being pedos. He seems the sort to be all in on the "Do What Thou Wilt" Crowley version of anti-religion. And if you think that kids have the ability to make major life altering decisions about surgery, you absolutely think that they have the ability to decide about sex. Either he's lying or he's so stupid that he can't understand the logical inconsistencies in what he is saying.

A 15 year old girl who decides she feels like a boy (because perhaps she feels like she doesn't fit in with peers because she isn't into make up or boys or other stereotypically feminine things) who gets her breasts cut off might be perfectly happy with that decision in 5 years. Most, however, will not. The same way that there could be a 15 year old girl who engages in sex with a 40 year old man and not be traumatized by it -- but the vast majority will be.

We have rules in place to protect the majority. Like all troons, Joe advocates for abandoning rules so that the outliers get what they want at the expense of everyone else. I reject that way of thinking. I would rather make that 15 year old wait until she is 18 to chop off her breasts than risk a bunch of 15 year olds regretting it one day. Making kids wait until they are 18 doesn't actually kill them. Any kid who offs herself because she can't have her breasts cut off needed psychological treatment way more than surgery.
 
I am LOVING the fact that Joe Lavery is just uwu, so so sad that he's being called a pedo, and No One , in cluding his "academic friends" are standing up in defense for him like Joe asked for in his tweets.

Keep it up Twitter! It hurts Joe's feeeeelings.

Not because none of his compatriots in academia aren't speaking out that he's not a pedo.

Totally not that at all! He's just sad about the disingenuous name calling. Sneed more Joe.

He just wants.. well does anybody really know? He changes his mind or his narrative when criticized in a way he can't refute. Like his "consensual" and publically posted abuse Of Mallory.

I sip my coffee with a very satisfying grin this am, what gold.

I am so, sooo hoping he pulls a Milo and we get some unearthed shit that proves he is at least a pedo apologist and loses his teaching job.


Eh I know some actual non religious/cultural pagans (kinda the practice without the belief or faith in the goddess or gods, as most people would define "belief") and because they believe in "nature" they believe nature can get it wrong, so diety doesn't matter as much.

Not trying to derail. Since Joe seems to be raised in the typical mostly agostic or athiest fashion of England (I deleted a long SOciolgical sperg on this because it's not impt, except that Joe wasn't raised in America where our population has more religious people by volume and culturally how that affects us differently)

-Then it's not surprising he would miss a lot of obvious religious nuances of America. Especially the kind that that Americans (religious or not) are most likely to definitely notice, mainly because since we have more religious people by volume and that Americans are More used to being raised around other denominations and can spot the differences better than the English do, (also deleted a sperg on school systems and how theya re directly influenced by their area's religions)

My background is not exactly his area of England tho so maybe my understanding if this is outdated by now.
Right, but to believe in the standard trans gender ideology of today you have to believe (at least implicitly) in a Cartesian mind/body duality that would allow a female self to be trapped in a male body or vice versa. Even when it is phrased as a "female brain" that is still a modern Western Christian or post-Christian viewpoint. Some of them I am sure like dressing their beliefs up and calling them "pagan" because they are mad at their evangelical parents, but the concept would be meaningless to an actual pagan who was not raised in a modern or modern-ish Western society (with the possible exception of some ancient Greek pagans, but there aren't many of those around anymore).

As an example of what I am getting at, Japan today still has very limited practice of organ donation compared to many Western countries, because organ donation largely relies on the concept of brain death being accepted as equivalent to actual death, and that itself relies on a philosophical/cultural history that divides the brain and the body. Whereas in Japan the more popular cultural narrative has been that "heart beating and blood circulating = alive" because that is what keeps the body warm, rather than the brain being the ruler of the body and the body being useless without it. Without that giant structure of dualism to build on, the concept of a warm body that is "dead" has struggled to gain acceptance there.

It feels insulting to call Japan a "pagan" society but that is what I am getting at: mind/body dualism as an overarching societal concept is not universal. Troonery is not just a religion but a particular religion, one that could only have emerged from a society with a particular set of beliefs.

I think I got off track but I like complaining about this stuff.
 
I am LOVING the fact that Joe Lavery is just uwu, so so sad that he's being called a pedo, and No One , in cluding his "academic friends" are standing up in defense for him like Joe asked for in his tweets.
Has anyone from his department ever stood up for him on Twitter, or even interacted with him? That does seem to stand out a bit.

Not trying to derail. Since Joe seems to be raised in the typical mostly agostic or athiest fashion of England (I deleted a long SOciolgical sperg on this because it's not impt, except that Joe wasn't raised in America where our population has more religious people by volume and culturally how that affects us differently.
He was raised Catholic by an extremely religious mother who is very active in the church and thought his father was a priest. I imagine he's quite familiar with the idea of souls.
 
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We have rules in place to protect the majority. Like all troons, Joe advocates for abandoning rules so that the outliers get what they want at the expense of everyone else. I reject that way of thinking. I would rather make that 15 year old wait until she is 18 to chop off her breasts than risk a bunch of 15 year olds regretting it one day. Making kids wait until they are 18 doesn't actually kill them. Any kid who offs herself because she can't have her breasts cut off needed psychological treatment way more than surgery.
That sounds very much like the ethos of Utilitarian morality ( dunno how much is Utiliarian morality is widespread on the UK ), now for some reason, atheists seem to be very fond of it ( I don't know which religion Joe and Mallory practice in present day ). I guess the withing the troon community the "greatest good for the greatest number" would be putting children in hormones blockers since they seem to be projecting their own experience over them and most troons defend their transition almost as "finally finding happiness". Now for people who don't share their Utilitarian morality ( as is my case ) that logic is simply evil and disgusting, since it implies imposing over other people a person's particular and subjective concept of "happiness", which also leads to the logic that stopping them from abusing other people equates to "denying them their right to pursuit happiness".
It feels insulting to call Japan a "pagan" society but that is what I am getting at: mind/body dualism as an overarching societal concept is not universal. Troonery is not just a religion but a particular religion, one that could only have emerged from a society with a particular set of beliefs.
Well, around 69% are Shintoists, now, if we go by the Merriam-Webster of Pagan :
Essential Meaning of pagan
1: a person who worships many gods or goddesses or the earth or nature : a person whose religion is paganism
Shinto is both polytheistic and their gods represent different aspects of Nature, so following that definition, Shinto would be a Pagan religion. So, according to that definition, then Japan could indeed be considered a pagan society.
 
Right, but to believe in the standard trans gender ideology of today you have to believe (at least implicitly) in a Cartesian mind/body duality that would allow a female self to be trapped in a male body or vice versa. Even when it is phrased as a "female brain" that is still a modern Western Christian or post-Christian viewpoint. Some of them I am sure like dressing their beliefs up and calling them "pagan" because they are mad at their evangelical parents, but the concept would be meaningless to an actual pagan who was not raised in a modern or modern-ish Western society (with the possible exception of some ancient Greek pagans, but there aren't many of those around anymore).

As an example of what I am getting at, Japan today still has very limited practice of organ donation compared to many Western countries, because organ donation largely relies on the concept of brain death being accepted as equivalent to actual death, and that itself relies on a philosophical/cultural history that divides the brain and the body. Whereas in Japan the more popular cultural narrative has been that "heart beating and blood circulating = alive" because that is what keeps the body warm, rather than the brain being the ruler of the body and the body being useless without it. Without that giant structure of dualism to build on, the concept of a warm body that is "dead" has struggled to gain acceptance there.

It feels insulting to call Japan a "pagan" society but that is what I am getting at: mind/body dualism as an overarching societal concept is not universal. Troonery is not just a religion but a particular religion, one that could only have emerged from a society with a particular set of beliefs.

I think I got off track but I like complaining about this stuff.
Good thoughts. I often compare their mind/body duality framework to Gnosticism, which was very popular at the time Christianity was getting started, and some tried to fuse the two together. Gnosticism is about escaping the savage, filthy body and transcending to a purely spiritual state, which is achieved by accessing "secret" knowledge that comes through the Gnostic cult. Exploring and discovering the "inner self" is that secret knowledge for the trans cult. It's individualism taken to a grotesque extreme, where the inner self is entirely pure and good and needs to be unlocked so that the body can follow along. Orthodox Christianity says the body/mind are integral and can't be separated, hence why the bodily resurrection of Jesus and the saints is such a big deal. It bucked the trend at the time in Greek thought that the spirit was all. Christianity said both are worth saving and can't be separated from each other. But the soup of Western Christian-influenced culture usually doesn't make this distinction and the mind/body separation is still pretty common in the ether.


Edit: Joe's biggest weakness is wanting to control how he is read. When he speaks unclearly and finds disagreement, he thinks if he just keeps talking that people will have to agree with him, when he's just obfuscating more and working backward from an unsupported belief he has about something. He also can't make a nuanced case by saying "the extremes of overprotecting children and letting them roam create opportunities for them to be abused." He has to insist that his bugaboo is the worse one.

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Joe Lavery is a pedo.
Yeah, I was leaning towards him just being tolerant of pedos, but holy shit only a pedo would double down on "kids aren't as innocent as you think they are".

Joe is just making the same arguments as this dude:

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I'm starting to think all troons are pedos.

For the record, I don't care if a 14 year old willingly prostitutes herself to 40 year old men. She's still a child and the man is still a pedo even if she "consents" to it because KIDS CANNOT CONSENT. Not morally. Not legally. Not in any other way Joe wants to try to weasel out of what he said. It is always up to the adult to draw the line because kids aren't capable of making a fully informed decision about sex. Or surgery.

Jesus, Joe -- did you accuse your brother in law to distract from your own behavior? The projection is so strong you could signal Batman with it.
 
Good thoughts. I often compare their mind/body duality framework to Gnosticism, which was very popular at the time Christianity was getting started, and some tried to fuse the two together. Gnosticism is about escaping the savage, filthy body and transcending to a purely spiritual state, which is achieved by accessing "secret" knowledge that comes through the Gnostic cult. Exploring and discovering the "inner self" is that secret knowledge for the trans cult. It's individualism taken to a grotesque extreme, where the inner self is entirely pure and good and needs to be unlocked so that the body can follow along. Orthodox Christianity says the body/mind are integral and can't be separated, hence why the bodily resurrection of Jesus and the saints is such a big deal. It bucked the trend at the time in Greek thought that the spirit was all. Christianity said both are worth saving and can't be separated from each other. But the soup of Western Christian-influenced culture usually doesn't make this distinction and the mind/body separation is still pretty common in the ether.

I think you are correct about the original ideas of Christianity (although Neoplatonism had an extreme influence on Christianity from very early on); I just don't think those particular early ideas of Christianity really survive anymore in mainstream Western thinking. Descartes was really trying to find a loophole that would allow a "scientific" view of the universe to advance while still preserving belief in God, and he succeeded so well we got the scientific revolution out of it. In fact I think his ideas succeeded so well that the average Christian believer in the West has ideas that are more influenced by Descartes than they are by the Hebrew understanding of the body in the Old Testament, or even what is solely in the New Testament.

How many Christians today really actively believe in the resurrection of the body (which is in the bible) as opposed to believing that your immortal disembodied soul goes to heaven right after death (which is not)? That is is why I kept awkwardly referring to 'modern Western Christianity' in my last post, because it's not so much Original Christianity as it is a current interpretation of it (which is in the background of every Western society and which influences all of us)

(On the other hand, philosophy was never my area, so feel free to yell at me if I am getting it completely wrong. I like learning new things, unlike the subject of the thread lol)

Yeah, I was leaning towards him just being tolerant of pedos, but holy shit only a pedo would double down on "kids aren't as innocent as you think they are".

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For the record, I don't care if a 14 year old willingly prostitutes herself to 40 year old men. She's still a child and the man is still a pedo even if she "consents" to it because KIDS CANNOT CONSENT. Not morally. Not legally. Not in any other way Joe wants to try to weasel out of what he said. It is always up to the adult to draw the line because kids aren't capable of making a fully informed decision about sex. Or surgery.

Jesus, Joe -- did you accuse your brother in law to distract from your own behavior? The projection is so strong you could signal Batman with it.
I think he is doubling down because he cannot have an honest conversation with anyone who disagrees with him (he is far too smart to bother doing that!) and he cannot admit that he doesn't express himself very well.

I think Joe is pro-"making the world safer for pedos" because that is part of the worldview that backs up his fetish, but (being charitable here) I think he was describing ignorance as "innocence" and badly regurgitating a point he had assimilated elsewhere.

That point is not incorrect: sometimes efforts to protect children by withholding information can backfire (eg, by not teaching them that they have private parts, by not giving them words to describe those parts, by being so excessively secretive around sex that it's easier for adults to groom and abuse them without them grasping what is happening). You can teach kids about all of that stuff without damaging their innocence or scaring them; there's a lot of good books and programs that do just that.

Joe could have backtracked and said something like "I apologize. Using the word 'innocence' was a brain fart. My intended meaning was that should give children the knowledge that allows them to protect themselves from predators, and I mistakenly described this lack of knowledge as 'innocence' while ignoring the other connotations of the word. I appreciate the correction and I am sorry for how it might have come across. Let's all work together to protect kids." Easy.

But Joe won't do that. He can't. He has to be more clever than anyone else; the most he can ever do after saying something stupid is step back and talk about how interesting the disagreement is, like he's a superior observer. He can't admit that he said something dumb and that people disagreeing with him were correct about something.

Also, he just likes the drama. He loves being swarmed and 'attacked' and talking about how he is a woman at a university who is being harassed (Just like Kathleen Stock! See! He is relevant and famous too, just like her!). It makes him feel persecuted and validated, all while not actually having any real-life consequences (like most AGPs, he could fully escape all this 'oppression' just by logging off).
 
Joe is just a sick mentally diseased animal at this point. It's been a long exhausting week since he threw the debate challenge out to the women he'd like to abuse, he must have tweeted/replied about 16,000 times. Just, heightened lunacy- is it manic or is it meth? Haranguing women, with that snide cutesy-cunt tone. Attempting humor, which he's absolutely horrible at. The bizarre Substack attacking Andrew Doyle, who comes off as.. perfectly reasonable and polite? Joe thinks that was some major gotcha? This is a deeply disordered mind.

I hope Joe Lavery's "Kids aren't innocent" is hung around Joe's neck forever. I want it remembered and brought up on his book tour, any debate that might happen, it deserves to be on his tombstone. I want to see it associated with his name forever, I want normies to recoil in peaked horror whenever Lavery's name comes up. Remembered as a sick fuck who's against safeguarding kids. Despite his laughable pathetic attempts at cred with the Menlo Park family feud fiasco.

Of course, when you think of protecting children, you should listen to this sick tap-dancing freak as an expert, right? Also an expert on feminism. And gay rights and history. It's comic how pompously he pronounces himself an expert on all these things. Said before by others, but Joe's idea of feminism is one that hates women and caters to his own personal wants and needs- useless for any actual woman. Same with appropriation of gay rights, "queerness". Heterosexual crossdressing autogynephile says what?
 
"Online militias" oh for the love of God

Joe, no one is even talking about you anywhere except this thread, and it's not even that active (and really it is only as active as it is because it's small enough to allow tangents)

Why do you think anyone would bother to attack you? You're a boring male college professor who cheats on his browbeaten wife whose career he disrupted out of jealousy. Those are a dime a fucking dozen!

(Do you think Joe is making this stuff up wholesale, or is the "security team" he hired embellishing threats so he'll give them more money?)
 
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