Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

Will Robyn actually go back to see the neurosurgeon in California?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 12.2%
  • No

    Votes: 107 50.2%
  • Luna will die before the planned trip date

    Votes: 80 37.6%

  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
I didn’t get that impression at all. They seemed to be trying to help in a situation they are not equipped to help in.

Jails are not mental institutions, but they are full of schizophrenics and people with major mental heal problems. Similarly, schools are not hospitals but more and more parents think their brainless child can learn. . Teachers are not equipped to handle children as severely damaged as Luna. Special Ed teachers can help with teaching the activities of daily living-buttoning buttons, brushing teeth, saying hello to your table partner for kids with autism or other disabilities. The kids with normal brains are mainstreamed with an aide.

A child who can never think or learn and who could even die if another kid throws a ball and it hits them wrong does not belong in a regular school.

We need mental hospitals back, and we need places to either house severely disabled or give parents like Robyn a break. Schools can’t take care of such a profoundly damaged child.

They should be staffed by doctors and nurses, not police and teachers.

And while I didn’t read what you did in the tone, I wouldn’t blame them. If a person went to school to teach and end up a nurse they have a right to be frustrated.
I agree. I thought all the teachers in that thread were extremely respectful and circumspect discussing how to handle assigning academic metrics to a child that has no awareness or motor control. It makes it obvious they are being forced to use a metric that is pointless for profoundly brain damaged people.

Special education classes were never meant to handle children that aren’t capable of learning. I understand that legally every child must be accommodated but they shouldn’t be requiring teachers to be care takers or forcing them to make up academic goals.

It’s akin to trying to grade pre-schoolers on the LSAT or MCAT. What grade are they supposed to give when the 4 year old just drew a smiley face and wiped a booger on the test?
 
I didn’t get that impression at all. They seemed to be trying to help in a situation they are not equipped to help in.

Jails are not mental institutions, but they are full of schizophrenics and people with major mental heal problems. Similarly, schools are not hospitals but more and more parents think their brainless child can learn. . Teachers are not equipped to handle children as severely damaged as Luna. Special Ed teachers can help with teaching the activities of daily living-buttoning buttons, brushing teeth, saying hello to your table partner for kids with autism or other disabilities. The kids with normal brains are mainstreamed with an aide.

A child who can never think or learn and who could even die if another kid throws a ball and it hits them wrong does not belong in a regular school.

We need mental hospitals back, and we need places to either house severely disabled or give parents like Robyn a break. Schools can’t take care of such a profoundly damaged child.

They should be staffed by doctors and nurses, not police and teachers.

And while I didn’t read what you did in the tone, I wouldn’t blame them. If a person went to school to teach and end up a nurse they have a right to be frustrated.
Maybe I'm just overly sensitive. The suggestions to have her use a switch, to which the OP says disgustedly that she has seizures from flashing lights, followed by one vapid poster asking, "oh, so she can't control her seizures, then?" rubbed me the wrong way. It would be one thing coming from a layperson, but these people have at least a master's degree in this. They should know at least the basics. Thinking a profoundly disabled kid can control her seizures is actually really troubling - if a child can control them and does them anyway, how are they punishing her? It disturbs me to think that a parent might send a profoundly disabled child to school with the understanding that the teacher in a severely multiply handicapped classroom would at least have the knowledge to keep the kids safe for 8 hours. If a teacher thinks a kid can control seizures or that operating a switch is a realistic goal for a kid who cannot even move independently, what is going to happen when a student's trach pops out or the seizures don't stop after 5 minutes?

Moreover, it just read as though the original poster and the replies betrayed a real lack of compassion for the child, who is the one who matters the most in this situation. I don't feel any sympathy for the ones who "didn't sign up to be a nurse". They did sign up to be in the severe/multiple handicaps classroom. They should have known that having a student with multiple profound disabilities was not just a possibility, but an eventuality. The main tenet of special education is that EVERY child deserves an education. If this child were in a mainstream class, I'd totally be on board, but all of the bitches in that thread literally signed up for this. Sorry not sorry that the job isn't just playing with happy smiling DS kids all day, ladies.
 
I agree. I thought all the teachers in that thread were extremely respectful and circumspect discussing how to handle assigning academic metrics to a child that has no awareness or motor control. It makes it obvious they are being forced to use a metric that is pointless for profoundly brain damaged people.

Special education classes were never meant to handle children that aren’t capable of learning. I understand that legally every child must be accommodated but they shouldn’t be requiring teachers to be care takers or forcing them to make up academic goals.

It’s akin to trying to grade pre-schoolers on the LSAT or MCAT. What grade are they supposed to give when the 4 year old just drew a smiley face and wiped a booger on the test?
I only work with kids up until 2nd grade at the moment, but we don't do academic goals for kids for whom academic concepts are not even really an expectation. We would do "self-help" and "school participation" goals, maybe "social behavioral" goals. BUT, there do need to be goals.

I do really struggle to think of what a goal would be for a child who is unable to interact with their environment in any meaningful way. We would probably have to write something we know is junk. I feel like most families in Luna's condition would not be interested in public schooling. I feel like that is actually the case with Robin, so I am not sure what she really expected from the IEP process -- possibly that people would come to their house, but they already have that? If the people who come to their house are part of a birth to three program that will end when Luna turns three, it is a big adjustment for families, but it seems like at their their PT is a private clinician.
 
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I only work with kids up until 2nd grade at the moment, but we don't do academic goals for kids for whom academic concepts are not even really an expectation. We would do "self-help" and "school participation" goals, maybe "social behavioral" goals. BUT, there do need to be goals.

I do really struggle to think of what a goal would be for a child who is unable to interact with their environment in any meaningful way. We would probably have to write something we know is junk. I feel like most families in Luna's condition would not be interested in public schooling. I feel like that is actually the case with Robin, so I am not sure what she really expected from the IEP process -- possibly that people would come to their house, but they already have that? If the people who come to their house are part of a birth to three program that will end when Luna turns three, it is a big adjustment for families, but it seems like at their their PT is a private clinician.
Robyn would not like the goals that the place I'm at would set. They would be qualitiy of life based such as appropriately using the afos and shit she wont use. Sometimes for children like Luna the goals are quite simple attempting to find something she gets the most joy from even if its sitting quietly in the sensory room with the lights off in a bean bag chair. We write a gaol such as "Luna will get 30 mins of sensory time." Goals are hard with kids like her so we write them in a way that we make sure the children/adults get the most out of it.

My experiences though are different from yours I work with people as disabled as Luna from 6 to 21. Hell she'd still be included in art/music if it didnt seem detrimental only it be realistic that we are doing the work mainly not her. It's all about finding things they enjoy or if they are incapable of that things that do not make them worse.
 
Maybe I'm just overly sensitive. The suggestions to have her use a switch, to which the OP says disgustedly that she has seizures from flashing lights, followed by one vapid poster asking, "oh, so she can't control her seizures, then?" rubbed me the wrong way. It would be one thing coming from a layperson, but these people have at least a master's degree in this. They should know at least the basics. Thinking a profoundly disabled kid can control her seizures is actually really troubling - if a child can control them and does them anyway, how are they punishing her? It disturbs me to think that a parent might send a profoundly disabled child to school with the understanding that the teacher in a severely multiply handicapped classroom would at least have the knowledge to keep the kids safe for 8 hours. If a teacher thinks a kid can control seizures or that operating a switch is a realistic goal for a kid who cannot even move independently, what is going to happen when a student's trach pops out or the seizures don't stop after 5 minutes?

Moreover, it just read as though the original poster and the replies betrayed a real lack of compassion for the child, who is the one who matters the most in this situation. I don't feel any sympathy for the ones who "didn't sign up to be a nurse". They did sign up to be in the severe/multiple handicaps classroom. They should have known that having a student with multiple profound disabilities was not just a possibility, but an eventuality. The main tenet of special education is that EVERY child deserves an education. If this child were in a mainstream class, I'd totally be on board, but all of the bitches in that thread literally signed up for this. Sorry not sorry that the job isn't just playing with happy smiling DS kids all day, ladies.
For lack of more eloquent terminology I put tards into two categories. “Late to the party” and “not showing up.” There are kids who have some minor learning disabilities, can’t quite focus or sit still in class or maybe have a more severe learning disability like autism or dyslexia. These are the “late to the party” kids. With some help they will get there or at least to a socially functional level. Then you have the brain dead potatoes that are more or less in a vegetative state like Luna. These are the “not showing up” types. I think a lot of the people getting into special education are wanting and expecting to help the late to the party kids but instead are having to play nurse to the kids who are just not showing up. I don’t blame them for being burned out.
 
For lack of more eloquent terminology I put tards into two categories. “Late to the party” and “not showing up.” There are kids who have some minor learning disabilities, can’t quite focus or sit still in class or maybe have a more severe learning disability like autism or dyslexia. These are the “late to the party” kids. With some help they will get there or at least to a socially functional level. Then you have the brain dead potatoes that are more or less in a vegetative state like Luna. These are the “not showing up” types. I think a lot of the people getting into special education are wanting and expecting to help the late to the party kids but instead are having to play nurse to the kids who are just not showing up. I don’t blame them for being burned out.
Sure, but in that specific thread, the poster said she was teaching a severe/multiple disabilities standalone classroom. That is a separate thing from regular "special education" under IDEA, so if she wanted to teach kids who just need a little extra help, that is what she should have done.

My issue isn't with anyone who wouldn't want to "teach" a profoundly disabled kid. I wouldn't be able to do it. My problem is with anyone who signs up for it and then bitches about having to "play nurse". I also don't think anyone who doesn't understand that seizures are involuntary has any business teaching anyone, much less the most vulnerable children.

Edited to say that I mostly agree that requiring an IEP with measurable "goals" for a student like this is dumb.
 
Maybe I'm just overly sensitive. The suggestions to have her use a switch, to which the OP says disgustedly that she has seizures from flashing lights, followed by one vapid poster asking, "oh, so she can't control her seizures, then?" rubbed me the wrong way. It would be one thing coming from a layperson, but these people have at least a master's degree in this. They should know at least the basics. Thinking a profoundly disabled kid can control her seizures is actually really troubling - if a child can control them and does them anyway, how are they punishing her? It disturbs me to think that a parent might send a profoundly disabled child to school with the understanding that the teacher in a severely multiply handicapped classroom would at least have the knowledge to keep the kids safe for 8 hours. If a teacher thinks a kid can control seizures or that operating a switch is a realistic goal for a kid who cannot even move independently, what is going to happen when a student's trach pops out or the seizures don't stop after 5 minutes?

Moreover, it just read as though the original poster and the replies betrayed a real lack of compassion for the child, who is the one who matters the most in this situation. I don't feel any sympathy for the ones who "didn't sign up to be a nurse". They did sign up to be in the severe/multiple handicaps classroom. They should have known that having a student with multiple profound disabilities was not just a possibility, but an eventuality. The main tenet of special education is that EVERY child deserves an education. If this child were in a mainstream class, I'd totally be on board, but all of the bitches in that thread literally signed up for this. Sorry not sorry that the job isn't just playing with happy smiling DS kids all day, ladies.
I thought the teachers were mostly frustrated with the goals or metrics they were forced to used, not the kids themselves, but applying a measuring stick that isn’t applicable to them.

The seizure comment was strange but I think that was more grasping for something to write down as a “progress” or goal for a child who’s only observable activity is seizures. I can only hope she doesn’t believe the child has control over seizures, but the word choice was bad. Maybe the hope was finding stimuli that didn’t trigger seizures, or help find a level of tolerance. One can hope.
 
Maybe I'm just overly sensitive. The suggestions to have her use a switch, to which the OP says disgustedly that she has seizures from flashing lights, followed by one vapid poster asking, "oh, so she can't control her seizures, then?" rubbed me the wrong way. It would be one thing coming from a layperson, but these people have at least a master's degree in this. They should know at least the basics. Thinking a profoundly disabled kid can control her seizures is actually really troubling - if a child can control them and does them anyway, how are they punishing her? It disturbs me to think that a parent might send a profoundly disabled child to school with the understanding that the teacher in a severely multiply handicapped classroom would at least have the knowledge to keep the kids safe for 8 hours. If a teacher thinks a kid can control seizures or that operating a switch is a realistic goal for a kid who cannot even move independently, what is going to happen when a student's trach pops out or the seizures don't stop after 5 minutes?

Moreover, it just read as though the original poster and the replies betrayed a real lack of compassion for the child, who is the one who matters the most in this situation. I don't feel any sympathy for the ones who "didn't sign up to be a nurse". They did sign up to be in the severe/multiple handicaps classroom. They should have known that having a student with multiple profound disabilities was not just a possibility, but an eventuality. The main tenet of special education is that EVERY child deserves an education. If this child were in a mainstream class, I'd totally be on board, but all of the bitches in that thread literally signed up for this. Sorry not sorry that the job isn't just playing with happy smiling DS kids all day, ladies.
Yeah I've talked about it a lot but in my experience most (though certainly not all!) Sped teachers are terrible people. In fact someone like Robyn would not be out of place as a sped teacher or paraprofessional at all. I feel like it's a lot of NPD women who get into the field wanting to play savior to the sub humans (not saying the kids are subhuman, that's just how most sped teachers come off as viewing them), or just straight up maliciously bully kids they know are even less likely to be taken seriously. I dont think sped teachers should be having to do straight up nursing shit they aren't trained to do, but I do agree that some of the stuff they say is a red flag given my experiences with people in that field.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's kinda like how law enforcement and upper management are fields known to attract psychopaths, where if you were somehow able to do a study on it sped would be one of the more common fields for narcissists and similar critters.

Anyway to loop this back around to Robyn and Luna (who as mentioned is a potato and the IEP shit was Robyn trying to grift a couple thousand extra bux a month as part of a "homeschool IEP", not any place to send Luna to any kind of school), if Robyn ever decides to have a career other than shilling pyramid schemes and other "influencer" bullshit, I'd put sped teacher/parapro/etc as one of the most likely non-woo pics. And even then you know she'd still drag her woo bullshit into it (which isnt exactly unheard of with sped teachers since there are vocal antivaxxers and other horseshit enthusiasts in their ranks).
 
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It disgusts me that Robyn says things like, "Luna was SO into this dancing/skating Snoopy!" when anyone watching the video can see that Luna has no fucking clue that Snoopy exists or what he's doing. Snoopy spins around, fuzzy fist narrowly missing Luna's face, and Luna's expression, or lack thereof, doesn't change, nor do her eyes track the toy. She can't even sit unassisted; she needs to be posed like a doll, but they think - or want viewers to think - she's interacting with a toy in an age appropriate way. It's the most extreme kind of gaslighting, making the viewer think that what he is seeing with his own eyes isn't what's actually happening.

I'm really glad that you brought this up, because gaslighting is exactly what this is.

When you're not familiar with the scene, you watch these "therapy" videos with children who appear completely inanimate, yet the captions and comments rave on about how the child is thriving/learning/kicking butt, and you're just like.... what the fuck am I missing?? What is everyone else seeing that I'm not?? Doubting your own interpretation of what's on the screen. You think you must be the one who's uninformed or heartless for having these critical thoughts.

This is what I hated so much about working with extremely disabled kids, and I could never articulate why. But it's because I could see with my own eyes that these children had zero awareness, zero purposeful movement, literally nothing going on upstairs... meanwhile parents and sped teachers would coo whenever the child randomly waved their arm (i.e. had a muscle tremor/seizure) and they'd project all these personality traits like "sassiness" onto the child because she burped a certain way or whatever. Meanwhile teachers would insist on these learning activities like switches and picture boards that were way too advanced for the child's abilities (the child can't even make eye contact or gaze at a toy, wtf makes you think he'll be able to identify a shittily drawn cartoon toilet and cOmMuNiCaTe that he needs his diaper changed?)

It just felt like all of us staff were putting on this "performance" pretending the children had personality/wants/feelings. Nobody wanted to admit that certain children have no brains and they will never learn and maybe that's okay. Can we just focus on managing their medical conditions and making them comfortable and providing respite to the parents?

But no, I'd tell myself I'm a shitty cruel nurse who's limiting these children's potential and I should just go along with these learning plans because maybe I'm just blind to the bigger picture and humanity and whatnot. Gaslighting.
 
This is what I hated so much about working with extremely disabled kids, and I could never articulate why. But it's because I could see with my own eyes that these children had zero awareness, zero purposeful movement, literally nothing going on upstairs... meanwhile parents and sped teachers would coo whenever the child randomly waved their arm (i.e. had a muscle tremor/seizure) and they'd project all these personality traits like "sassiness" onto the child because she burped a certain way or whatever. Meanwhile teachers would insist on these learning activities like switches and picture boards that were way too advanced for the child's abilities (the child can't even make eye contact or gaze at a toy, wtf makes you think he'll be able to identify a shittily drawn cartoon toilet and cOmMuNiCaTe that he needs his diaper changed?)
One reaosn for this is you no longer get taught to be a teacher of the handicapped. You get a P through 3 or a K through 5 degree and some courses that teach you general disability stuff ususally a bastardized version of ABA that gives people trained in real ABA a lot of issues.

IDEA really fucked teaching of the severely disabled by removing degrees solely focused on the severely disabled. You used to get in-depth trainings on epilepsy, blindness, etc.
 
Every few weeks I check back, every few weeks I find that Luna has yet to be released from her torment and Robyn is still eyefucking herself.

:(
You really think Robyn is gonna stop eyefucking herself even after Luna finally goes to the big spud patch in the sky? At the point I wouldnt even be surprised if Robyn took eyefucking selfies next to Luna's dead corpse, or at least next to the casket.
 
I'm really glad that you brought this up, because gaslighting is exactly what this is.

When you're not familiar with the scene, you watch these "therapy" videos with children who appear completely inanimate, yet the captions and comments rave on about how the child is thriving/learning/kicking butt, and you're just like.... what the fuck am I missing?? What is everyone else seeing that I'm not?? Doubting your own interpretation of what's on the screen. You think you must be the one who's uninformed or heartless for having these critical thoughts.

I don’t think she’s gaslighting because that involves spewing bullshit you know isn’t true. I think she actually believes Luna is hitting milestones and is mentally functional, aware, and a mystical healing psychic megamind. I’m not qualified to say what Robyn has but when I see her posts about how she hears Luna talking all I can think is “this bitch has to be schizophrenic.” Do people go on her social media and tell her she’s crazy or is it all a bunch of equally insane woo instagram moms on her page? I’m sure some of Luna’s doctors have tried clueing her in on the reality of Luna’s situation but it obviously went over her head.
You really think Robyn is gonna stop eyefucking herself even after Luna finally goes to the big spud patch in the sky? At the point I wouldnt even be surprised if Robyn took eyefucking selfies next to Luna's dead corpse, or at least next to the casket.
I fully expect her to livestream that funeral.
 
Maybe I'm just overly sensitive. The suggestions to have her use a switch, to which the OP says disgustedly that she has seizures from flashing lights, followed by one vapid poster asking, "oh, so she can't control her seizures, then?" rubbed me the wrong way. It would be one thing coming from a layperson, but these people have at least a master's degree in this. They should know at least the basics. Thinking a profoundly disabled kid can control her seizures is actually really troubling - if a child can control them and does them anyway, how are they punishing her? It disturbs me to think that a parent might send a profoundly disabled child to school with the understanding that the teacher in a severely multiply handicapped classroom would at least have the knowledge to keep the kids safe for 8 hours. If a teacher thinks a kid can control seizures or that operating a switch is a realistic goal for a kid who cannot even move independently, what is going to happen when a student's trach pops out or the seizures don't stop after 5 minutes?

Moreover, it just read as though the original poster and the replies betrayed a real lack of compassion for the child, who is the one who matters the most in this situation. I don't feel any sympathy for the ones who "didn't sign up to be a nurse". They did sign up to be in the severe/multiple handicaps classroom. They should have known that having a student with multiple profound disabilities was not just a possibility, but an eventuality. The main tenet of special education is that EVERY child deserves an education. If this child were in a mainstream class, I'd totally be on board, but all of the bitches in that thread literally signed up for this. Sorry not sorry that the job isn't just playing with happy smiling DS kids all day, ladies.
They do seem pretty cunty and petty. I had an LD in school and most teachers thought it was the same as an intellectual disability and one literally said "would have never guessed something was wrong with you!". 🙄 Education is severely lacking in North America. Hopefully one day they will learn mild dyslexia and mental retardation are not the same thing.
You'd hope that special ed teachers would know some basic medical facts relevant to keeping the kids safe but you'd be shocked at the incompetence and apathy. @Android raptor can tell you of the outright cruelty. The shoving lighted toys in her face they know cause seizures is Luna's PT tier. Yikes. 😬
One reaosn for this is you no longer get taught to be a teacher of the handicapped. You get a P through 3 or a K through 5 degree and some courses that teach you general disability stuff ususally a bastardized version of ABA that gives people trained in real ABA a lot of issues.

IDEA really fucked teaching of the severely disabled by removing degrees solely focused on the severely disabled. You used to get in-depth trainings on epilepsy, blindness, etc.
There used to be specialists in severe disabilities? That's a great idea, crazy they got rid of it. Do some countries still have stuff like this?
 
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I'm really glad that you brought this up, because gaslighting is exactly what this is.

When you're not familiar with the scene, you watch these "therapy" videos with children who appear completely inanimate, yet the captions and comments rave on about how the child is thriving/learning/kicking butt, and you're just like.... what the fuck am I missing?? What is everyone else seeing that I'm not?? Doubting your own interpretation of what's on the screen. You think you must be the one who's uninformed or heartless for having these critical thoughts.

This is what I hated so much about working with extremely disabled kids, and I could never articulate why. But it's because I could see with my own eyes that these children had zero awareness, zero purposeful movement, literally nothing going on upstairs... meanwhile parents and sped teachers would coo whenever the child randomly waved their arm (i.e. had a muscle tremor/seizure) and they'd project all these personality traits like "sassiness" onto the child because she burped a certain way or whatever. Meanwhile teachers would insist on these learning activities like switches and picture boards that were way too advanced for the child's abilities (the child can't even make eye contact or gaze at a toy, wtf makes you think he'll be able to identify a shittily drawn cartoon toilet and cOmMuNiCaTe that he needs his diaper changed?)

It just felt like all of us staff were putting on this "performance" pretending the children had personality/wants/feelings. Nobody wanted to admit that certain children have no brains and they will never learn and maybe that's okay. Can we just focus on managing their medical conditions and making them comfortable and providing respite to the parents?

But no, I'd tell myself I'm a shitty cruel nurse who's limiting these children's potential and I should just go along with these learning plans because maybe I'm just blind to the bigger picture and humanity and whatnot. Gaslighting.
Not to power level but this reminds me, I worked with severely disabled children at one time, i lasted a whopping two weeks. The two I worked with, the moms were fucking nuts. One child was all mangled and bent in crazy ways ala The hartleys. and i had just met her a few days prior to this, but the mom came into the living room and told me to hold her daughter and rock her on the couch. I was extremely uncomfortable with this. Then she made a comment like “oh you don’t look comfortable or natural” and kept trying to tell me how to position myself then complaining because either i or the severely bent child is wasn’t comfortable. Like no neither of us are, we were fine on the floor and apart from eachother. I don’t need to hold and embrace your child that isn’t even in there! She was bad shit crazy. But anyways The child was not aware, I had just met her, and I felt like that was beyond what I was there for. Not to mention the mom had another daughter who was so adorable and around 3 I believe, I played with her more than I paid attention to the spudly one, because what am I supposed to do? She would demand i read to her and play with toys with her, and then the attention seeking toddler would come over and want my attention while mom sat in another room but only peeked out here and there to make sure I was playing Barbie’s by myself with her vegetable daughter and ignoring her cute toddler who wanted to play with me. Sorry for the paragraph but it gives me such Robyn similarities and I’m so glad I didn’t work there any longer than I did. It takes a special kind of person to assign personalities to brain dead kids and ignore their adorable thriving toddler. She would also blend up the dinner she would make the at was completely organic and gluten dairy free blah blah, and part of my job was to sit with the veggie in her specially made high chair, and force feed her this gruel while she choked and spit it all back out, next to her regular family having conversations and then silence between all the spit and gagging and coughing noises. But she insisted the child eat this way. She probably got about 1/8 of anything actually into her stomach, if that. This would be the longest part of my day. Around 2.5 hours of just trying to feed this child that couldn’t eat any of it. The family would be done after 15 minutes and go about their business, then her and I sat there while she spit and choked everywhere.And then would have me bottle feed her keiffr after dinner where she would do the instinctual infantile suckling but spit everything out and make horrid sounds and faces while eating or “taking her bottle” . It was a torturous position and the toddler was always around me trying to play. It was so sad for the toddler. Both parents shoved her aside. Ew I’m sorry that was so long but this unlocked a core memory that applies here lol.

Back on topic though, I have been wondering why Robyn hasn’t been posting much luna lately and I really think it’s because her head is expanding so much. It almost reminds me of when she turned into megamind right before the shunt where her eyes were completely stretched to the point she couldn’t close then. She makes the same face now as she did then, like her skin is pulling too tight. Robyn just doesn’t want us to think luna is deteriorating.
 
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Yikes look at the size of her head! It has grown so much… and her eyes are totally doing that stretchy skin thing that they did when she was a baby and her head got huge so rapidly. Plus check out her eye movements, that’s totally a seizure. Things must be getting bad if Robyn is posting a longer video of adorable atlas in comparison to lunas 4 second clip of her seizing and chewing on the air…. It’s looking grim. (Er than usual)
 
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