Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[TheClappening]

And if he asked for $250,000,000 and they decided Punitive damages were appropriate, well, that's triple, isn't it?

Punitive damages are a jury decision, isn't it? It's how the Gibson Bakery got a huge punitive award against Oberlin after it went to a verdict.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Wow, looks like the Wisconsin DNR should make sure that Binger sees this. This is what I'm talking about when I say a lot of people in Wisconsin are at least familiar with guns. Everyone in the state sees this type of shit.

 

[37yearolddickrightnow]

I'd prefer some of these media outlets experience a Charlie Hebdo moment...

In Minecraft, of course

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Found a pretty good big-picture thread on twitter about the case that largely aligns with my views. I think he's somewhat overstating the societal danger of a guilty verdict, but he describes pretty well why so many people find the trial important on a visceral level.

https://twitter.com/Partisan_O/status/1460332516351647744
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If Kyle is convicted then Americans will be justified in losing faith in the judicial system. At that point all bets are off.

 

[Michael Janke]

Wow, looks like the Wisconsin DNR should make sure that Binger sees this. This is what I'm talking about when I say a lot of people in Wisconsin are at least familiar with guns. Everyone in the state sees this type of shit.
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can someone edit this.
"dont touch the tirgger, unless you're ready to kill a nigger."

 

[Ishtar]

The gist is that conservatives in the US will talk a big game about taking up arms against the state, but are terrified of actually doing so.

Groups like the IRA walked the walk.

Conservatives in the US generally have things to lose-families, homes, futures for their children. The men of the IRA had nothing to restrain them.

Its far easier to walk the walk when your a twenty five year old young man with no prospects, no children, and no (relatively speaking) comfortable life.

Take those things away and the situation might change.

I am sure many conservatives are at least in theory willing to die in a hail of bullets(though many more aren't), but they have kids to think about, homes to worry for, and that makes all the difference.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I love smell of the fresh ratio in the morning

 

[SpergRush]

Richard's did a good job on close and the facts backed him up. If the media truly wished for the continued union of this country they would be praying for not guilty. This is a potential dredd Scott decision and make no mistake.

People forget just why dredd Scott was so terrible. It's because before Dredd Scott the Union States assumed there was level of honesty when it came to the political arguments (States Rights) and the Judicial system to navigate fairly those politics. Dredd Scott shredded that because a bunch of Democrat appointed Supreme Court Justices went beyond the scope for political reasons and shredded the rights of the Union States to outlaw slavery and ordered them to be complicit in the practice.

The Union States were absolutely enraged and it is why a peaceful separation became impossible when the rubber hit the road. The political and judicial maneuvering of the Democratic party had so enraged the northern population against the south that when Lincoln called for War, the Northern States answered and willingly took up arms against their southern brothers.

There is a similar danger here now. Once again the Democratic party is attempting to wield a big stick against its political enemies and once again there is a high profile judicial case that puts the entire system on trial. It's horrific that this decision is now in the hands of some random people from Kenosha.

But make no mistake. If the decision is people are not legally allowed to defend themselves against the armed wing of the democratic party, then just as the last time the Democrats corrupted the Judiciary to impose their will on an unwilling population, so will the backlash come. History may not be a circle, but it rhymes.

This is not as pivotal as a Supreme Court decision. The result of this case does not change precedent in even in Wisconsin - it's a jury trial, and the only significant legal rulings were probably the judge interpreting the gun statute as written and tossing the curfew charge.

This case is not as big of a deal as it seems like to us right now, in my humble opinion.

somebody who knows more about this than me:

What's stopping the state from simply "randomly selecting" the initial 200 jury pool from registered democrats? How could anyone even tell?

During Voire Dire they inspect the jurors. I guess its hypothetically possible, with top to bottom coordinated corruption. However, there was at least 1 juror who was making Jacob Blake jokes to a court officer and was subsequently removed from the jurors... indicating that if any such conspiracy existed, it wasnt succesful.

Why would 12 normies want to fight off the mob when they can just convict him on all counts and go home to obscurity?

They won't go home to obscurity.

They will live with knowing that they put an innocent boy in prison for defending his life and their community.

And they will have family members - respectable, admirable family members, not druggies and deviants- who will be sure to let them know what they did was shit.

Most people see themselves as upright and will try to follow the jury instructions. It's the easiest thing to do in this case. I think juries get it right almost always when they are given sufficient evidence.

I’ve got 4 generations of family in Kenosha. They are shockingly direct and have no tolerance for liars or stupidity. I can’t imagine any of them being influenced by threats of rioting. Outside of going and buying more and bigger guns.

If the jury has been doxed and people are sending them death threats, I don't believe they'll think like you or me and discuss the long term repercussions of their decision with one another.

They'll hear "We'll burn your house down and make it so you can never work again if you don't do what I want" and at least one of them is going to stubbornly refuse to do anything besides what the mob wants in a vain attempt to make the mob stop.

These are 12 different Americans in 2020, at least one is going to be a total coward who wants nothing more than to return to their pod.

If jury members have been doxxed I think they'll report it before caving and get removed from the pool. Cowards will also have a hard time being the 12th angry man in the deliberation room.

Generally I think you guys underestimate the honesty of average rural Americans.

I've been beaten with fists. I've been beaten with boots. I've been beaten with sticks. I've been beaten with steaming hot bowls of porridge. I've probably been beaten by other things too that I've just forgotten about.

One thing they all have in common, is "Ferocity of intent". There's a semi LOL Cow called Richard Grannon who does all that Narc healing stuff on youtube. He tends to cater more to the "my boyfriend just left me so he's a narc, can we shit-talk him please" because yeah, he's a QT, fair play.

He also has another side. He's advised the British Army on fighting tactics plus other LEO outlets.

"Ferocity of intent" is a phrase I picked up from him. I don't know if he stole it. He can go from QT to "shit I wish this wasn't happening" pretty quick. He worked the doors. He knows the psychology. He can tell the bluffers and he can tell the ones that mean real damage, and those are the ones that need that very "Ferocity of intent" - shock and awe, if you will, to be dealt with effectively, so everyone can go home and have a nice cozy night.

A fucking Skateboard in the right hands could easily, easily kill a man. AC750's, Green Kryptonics and a 5-Ply Slalom board could do some serious damage, dood!

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I like the term "Violence of Action"

nobody thinks antifa will do specops larping to assassinate jurors.
no, they'll just do their regular routine of slander, smearing, doxing, maybe incite a little 'protest' in front of their homes, all that usual activist business, with backing by the media, to thoroughly ruin their lives.

I think they'll mostly target Rittenhouse. He'd better stay frosty. Targetting jurors is definitely a bad look. Judge might feel political consequences for not running a sham trial.

Not really, he's got a very serious uphill battle. Much like chauvin, there's serious state and civil pressure on the jurors to find him guilty. The fact that he's even in this position in the first place warrants a restructuring how you think about the current situation in the US.

Chauvin wasnt guilty because of state pressure. He was guilty cause he didn't render aid when the guy became unresponsive and started dying. Do you really think he should have walked?

OK - time to let my inner sperg out a bit.

Grosskreutz was absolutely in the orbit of Joshua Ziminski that hour, but did not seem to be as close to the center as Rosenbaum and Huber were. The gas station footage shows Grosskreutz wandering around, smoking a cig, and hitting on chicks in the background while "Shoot me, nigger!" was happening. Ziminski is calming the waters, and Huber is directly behind Rosenbaum, trying to restrain him at one point. The eye-opening thing for me, perhaps because I wasn't paying enough attention earlier, was Jump Kick Man trying to light fires with Rosenbaum.

I think Ziminski is a key here, and Richards called that out today. Why exactly did absolutely no one from the State even try to draw attention to his actions that night? He was telling Rosenbaum to save his energy. He directed Rosenbaum to hide for ambush (thanks FBI!). He fired a round into the air just as Rosenbaum was closing on Rittenhouse. He then casually strolled towards the south side of Car Source #3 with a gun still in his hand while everyone else was scattering like...they'd just heard five gunshots in quick succession nearby.

He was using Rosenbaum (and others) to block roads, set fires, and try to gas-bomb/incinerate police. Anyone seen as being on the side of the police was fair game, and this baby-faced medic all by himself was absolutely a prime target for a beating at least. Free gun, kid gets a little brain damage - win-win.

Here's where he fucked up: he didn't extend the "oh, he's on the side of the police" thought far enough to believe this militia dude may indeed be on the side of the police. After the geese scattered, he went to the place where an anti-cop person would go: the furthest point in the lot away from the police line. He figured he'd have a clear shot there. When Kyle somehow doubled back to check on the person he shot and then started running towards the actual police line? He must have felt like an idiot.

No worries, his wife is there to rally the troops and send them back north after him. People like Jump Kick Man and Huber are the people this message is meant for, and it resonates. It's ironic that the person furthest away from the message's target was Grosskreutz, and he was the first to catch up to Rittenhouse. He was trying to get some sweet, sweet social media money for running after a guy and "interviewing" him on livestream, but quickly switched from neutral to dedicated when overtaken by the mob on their way to Kyle.

I don't think he was thinking of mag-dumping into Kyle when he unholstered. I think he was more in the mind of forcing a surrender. Seeing Kyle flat on his back and firing at two other people changed that shit real quick.

And to think this could have all been avoided had people taken Kyle at his word that he was a friendly.

Great take. I think you're spot on and this made it all click together for me.

He's never going to come out. At least not until the statute of limitations for arson is over. The guy is clearly smart enough to know they have him on camera doing a wide variety of illegal shit, and probably figures that any clout he would get isn't worth the trouble.

Honestly it's the most surprising thing to me about this whole event. Dude has not been identified at all, which is truly surprising in this day and age. I'm sure the defense and prosecution both looked for him to testify. Hell maybe one day we'll find out who he is, but I doubt it.

Maybe he (Jump Kick Man) was an FBI agent.

 

[LaxerBRO]

I'd prefer laugh if some of these media outlets experience a Charlie Hebdo moment...

In Minecraft, of course

Their are ways to say things you mean without triggering an interrogation by the FBI and not saying "in minecraft". Any Feds reading this page already know what you mean.

How you feel, your reactions too, your dreams are all protected speech.

As an example:

If I woke up and I heard news reports that a group acquired a SADM and leveled the J. Edger Federal building, I would consider that one of my best mornings ever. I would have the biggest smile as I raised my flag to full staff to celebrate the deaths of degenerates of the Department of Justice.


If you are a federal agent reading this, I hope you realize that you are in a dead end position. They have you reading pages on a LOLCOW website. You are worthless to America, to the Bureau, and to society. Perhaps you should quit and become a security guard as then you would be more useful...better yet go the office restroom and eat your gun.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Binger and Kraus should be disbarred from life.

 

[Sprocket]

If Kyle is convicted then Americans will be justified in losing faith in the judicial system. At that point all bets are off.

Defense had Soyboy and Fatso by the balls at closing arguments. Prosecution brought nothing but a crock of shit to the table. There's only two ways that could possibly happen at this stage: the jury are part of the Twitter hive mind and went in with their minds already made up, or they've been intimidated.

A guilty verdict is simply irrational.

 

[Michael Janke]

Defense had Soyboy and Fatso by the balls at closing arguments. Prosecution brought nothing but a crock of shit to the table. There's only two ways that could possibly happen at this stage: the jury are part of the Twitter hive mind and went in with their minds already made up, or they've been intimidated.

A guilty verdict is simply irrational.

Binger talked down to the jury, the defense and the judge
Fatman Krauss was so agitated becuase he hadn't eaten for 10 minutes that he got angry and was essentially scolding the jury. not to mention, the judge had to remove the jury twice in quick succession, throwing off the momentum from his rebuttal. the judge also told the jury to disregard what Krauss said. even if its for something unrelated, you dont want the jury to think you're lying or incompetent as a prosecutor.

 

[Willie Thrills]

The IRA were a left wing lot though and financed in large part by American Irish in places like Mass, that vote deep blue.

They major opponent was Maggie Thatcher, who brought the bantz and rip them a new asshole before Blair took over and cucked to them.

Irish Nationalist. They avoided almost every reference to Leftist politics that they could.

It's interesting - they had actual Fascists make their statues and shit, publicly their opinion was that of "We have political differences among ourselves and will sort of out later" and actively killed people who assigned left wing motivations to their actions specifically (some were left-wing, but speaking in the organisation's name really pissed them off) and they actively fought against Marxists.

 

[FlappyBat]

Binger and Kraus should be disbarred from life.

If that happens I might start having faith in our judicial system. Given it won't, I don't have to worry about changing my mind.

 

[Willie Thrills]

Conservatives in the US generally have things to lose-families, homes, futures for their children. The men of the IRA had nothing to restrain them.

Its far easier to walk the walk when your a twenty five year old young man with no prospects, no children, and no (relatively speaking) comfortable life.

Take those things away and the situation might change.

I am sure many conservatives are at least in theory willing to die in a hail of bullets(though many more aren't), but they have kids to think about, homes to worry for, and that makes all the difference.

not right, the Provos stand out because of that fact, they trended older.

Many had kids - it's just that the living conditions for those kids and prospects for those kids had declined so much that there was no real choice for them.

The IRA started out as a vigilante group and the fact that they had kids, daughters in particular, who were targeted by gangs specifically because the police were corrupt and extremely Sectarian, is the motivation.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Well, let's consider some options:

1: The FBI was keeping an eye out specifically for Rittenhouse types: anyone that would push back against the Cathedral-endorsed rioters. This is the one we like to jump to, but the late arrival of the footage makes me cautious about that conclusion. If this had been the intent, then the FBI would likely have provided the footage to the prosecution at the earliest opportunity, rather than halfway through the trial a year later.

2: The drones were overwatch for plainclothes agents on the ground. Why the FBI would have people in the crowd is its whole own can of worms, ranging from "agitators" to "partyvan squads hunting specific targets", but if the purpose was direction instead of info gathering, then it could explain the delayed delivery: that wasn't the purpose, so it wasn't until some mid-level puke in the drone department got reminded of the trial that he decided to check the archives and see if they had anything relevant.

3: Situation monitoring. An aerial view of the riots likely gives a better image of the scale of events than cell phone video, and could potentially be used to inform whoever is in charge of advising the President that it's time to tell the governors and mayors to go fuck themselves and send in the National Guard. Hell, maybe Trump even got the chance to witness Kyle in action on exclusive livestream.

4: Mass facial recognition. If we're following the Bezmenov plan, then eventually there will be a culling of the useful idiots, so it behooves the State to identify them now for dealing with later.

5: Coordinating with local law enforcement. The most benign option, but there is the chance that the FBI was using drones to give the cops a real-time read on what was going on behind the lines, giving them the opportunity to head off any advances by the rioters. This would require a pretty in-depth analysis of the police's motions across multiple nights and cities to see if there's any credibility to this, though.

Ultimately, it feels like releasing the footage was a spur-of-the-moment decision. The "analysis" that said Kyle pointed his weapon was done at the prosecution's behest, and we don't know if there was any more footage taken or provided. Like I said, my gut says that this was some mid-level guy hearing about the trial and deciding to check through the archive, and could be either out of a political desire to fuck Kyle OR a genuine desire to facilitate justice. Keep an eye on Ziminski's trial coming up: if we get a second batch of footage, then it's probably the latter.

Honestly the FBI was probably making a bigger example of Portland people at the time. Meanwhile the leftwing groups basically set up the George Floyd riots complete with random pallets and crowd agitators.

 

[Evilronald]

I’m not sure if anyone posted this but the daily mail got its hands on Gaige’s previous felony conviction. He hit his grandma in the face after breaking a lamp against the wall. What a piece of shit. Here’s the full Article. If only our own media had actually do their job and found this before. It even indicates he was not allowed to possess and weapon and it conveniently got expunged. It seems like the Kenosha county and Milwaukee county DA’s offices are more concerned with politics than putting someone behind bars. Rittenhouse got a 3 felon hat trick.

 

[WeDon'tNeedToWhisper]

Kyle Rittenhouse is an American hero

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

There was; Jump Kick Man, who wisely backed off the moment Kyle recovered and leveled his gun at him.

Look closer: Kyle reflexively shot at Jump Kick Man as well; almost straight into the air while he was on his back, and missed. But the miss was so close, JKM definitely caught the wind of the bullet, along with some permanent hearing loss.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

This was everything I've hoped for and some extra. I'm happy and I'll sleep peacefully tonight.

About that,I slept like a baby... for 3 hours I had left until work when the closing concluded
This trial has been robbing me of sleep for the past week, but I feel more energized than before