9/16/2021 - Court case gets a continuance

[Pointless Sperg]

So what's your take on tomorrow? Are we going to see a plea deal or another continuance? I'd personally put either at 50/50.

That's a pretty good assessment. Unless there is something that the defense knows about that nobody else knows about (and is so obscure that they can't be asked for it in discovery), it's in the best interests of everyone to bide their time and build their best case.

Absolute best case, the gods of luck shining upon him, Chris gets a 6 month sentence. Since Chris has nowhere to go, he's staying in jail. For 6 months, he lives for free, keeps his tugboat, and his attorney works for him raking in more money for his paralegals who are doing most of the work. The prosecution gets more time to kick the can down the road and decide what to do.

Realistically Chris will probably get a year in jail. While the defense probably cannot stretch it out that long, it means there's no incentive to resolve sooner since regardless of the outcome Chris will still be in jail or in prison.

The case will end when Chris' attorney gets the best deal he thinks he can, and that deal is close to the amount of time that Chris has already been in jail. Alternatively, the prosecution is not playing ball and wants to hit harder and is willing to spend the resources of the state on Chris to achieve it.

Continuances will probably end after 6 months. Up to about 6 months, continuances work entirely in the defense's favor. They will not continue longer than a year because that means that the prosecution is not willing to budge and the defense will be running on fumes in terms of legal justification to drag it out. At that point the defense will take the best deal they can get, unless the prosecutor is being an idiot bastard and not making any real concessions, in which case it will go to trial (very VERY unlikely).

I still think the most likely result is one year in jail, no SOR, conditional release with monitoring and therapy. Second most likely is a couple of years in prison, with all other conditions being the same. Chris' attorney is going to fight hard to keep the sentence to one year or less, but failing that will fight to prevent SOR listing.

EDIT: To make it clear, continuances are good for both Chris and his attorney. The longer it continues, Chris keeps getting his tugboat, and his attorney keeps getting money from the state, all the while racking up time served. While the attorney's time is more valuable than what the state is paying him, it's much closer in value to what he pays his paralegals to do most of the work. Once Chris pleads guilty, the tugboat stops, and the attorney stops getting paid. The cutoff where it starts getting worse for Chris is 1 year, because after that Chris is a felon and he will have to reapply for his tugboat after he gets out if his post-conviction stay is longer than a year. There's a brief period between 1 year and 2 years where the time served keeps the total post-conviction stay shorter than a year, where he automatically gets his tugboat back, but he's still a felon.

Anything beyond that is really bad news for Chris and his attorney will not accept that easily.

 

[Generic Retard]

Will there be a court cam? Can we watch? If there is a verdict in the Rittenhouse case today, will Rekieta feature Chris?
These last two months have been pretty exciting ngl

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

Will there be a court cam? Can we watch? If there is a verdict in the Rittenhouse case today, will Rekieta feature Chris?
These last two months have been pretty exciting ngl

No recording devices are allowed in this courtroom. I don't know if that's a Judge's purview or not in VA, but the best we'll get is a post-appearance synopsis from The Gunt if there's not another continuance.

 

[Generic Retard]

Null should branch out into court reporting if cows continue to get indicted like this year.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I still think the most likely result is one year in jail, no SOR, conditional release with monitoring and therapy.

And just checking, but that's factoring in the whole incest/rape thing AND Chris violating the whatever it was when he stole the money literally right after being kicked out of 14BC?

Because I don't think it's been brought up (or if it has I missed it), but what exactly is stopping Chris from simply stealing more money from Barb in the same way? Much in the same way that only a physical barrier would prevent Chris from returning to 14BC as he wouldn't give a shit about a court order to stay away, unless Barb's bank account information is changed or otherwise protected in a way Chris cannot circumvent, he's going to simply 'borrow' more money the moment he wants to buy a new expensive toy.

Will there be a court cam? Can we watch? If there is a verdict in the Rittenhouse case today, will Rekieta feature Chris?
These last two months have been pretty exciting ngl

No court cam and quite honestly if it's a continuation then it'll be a big fat nothing. Chris may or may not even show up, the Judge simply says 'continued until XX date' and then everybody leaves or sets up for the next case to be heard. Happened for months after the macing incident and I don't see any reason to expect much different here for the reasons Pointless Sperg outlined.

Granted, this could entirely change depending on the results of that lawyer-requested psych exam. Probably some autism gold in them hills since Chris is spouting about being Jesus and how sexual relations with his mother was a good thing.

 

[John Merston]

Holy fuck how many times are we gonna have idiots pop into the thread and tell us all that he's gonna plead insanity/be put in a psych ward/be found incompetent?

Read the forum before you post. Everything you just said is wrong.

I don't get why these retards keep coming in Dunning-Kruger-style when almost every thread has posts from people with actual knowledge and experience, including multiple practicing attorneys, including an entire legal issues thread *where OP is an actual prosecutor*, all of them explaining this point over and over.

I mean, there's tons of pop culture court drama that involves insanity defenses, but they're all from the mid-late 20th century when such a defense was in the process of being dismantled in all states.

Are you really surprised at newfags acting like newfags? They're the same people who posted the same "Who needs their barbussy ate" and "You've been together with me from the beginning, Mama!" pics over and over in the first few weeks after Chris's mom-fucking exploits were revealed.

 

[Mussi]

Chris is going to be sentenced to like six months with credit for time served. He's shown time and again that he's immune to the consequences of his actions, why should eating barbussy change that? The real question is how long it will take for null to flip the script on Chris and start liking him again.

 

[King Kiwi]

Anything beyond that is really bad news for Chris and his attorney will not accept that easily.

Ahh, and then the crying, begging and "remorse" will suddenly appear...

If Chris indeed becomes homeless.

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

Chris is going to be sentenced to like six months with credit for time served. He's shown time and again that he's immune to the consequences of his actions, why should eating barbussy change that? The real question is how long it will take for null to flip the script on Chris and start liking him again.

In my gut, I know you're right, but in my heart, I want to believe there's additional charges (elder abuse/neglect, violation of the EPO, maybe rape) that are tacked on to his docket that will make the Prison Saga happen. He will not learn anything without real time and he will also actually get mental health treatment (shitty as it would be, it's better than nothing for him) that might back him away from the Jesus/merge bullshit.

 

[spinch]

In my gut, I know you're right, but in my heart, I want to believe there's additional charges (elder abuse/neglect, violation of the EPO, maybe rape) that are tacked on to his docket that will make the Prison Saga happen. He will not learn anything without real time and he will also actually get mental health treatment (shitty as it would be, it's better than nothing for him) that might back him away from the Jesus/merge bullshit.

psychotic breaks like that are pretty resistant to treatment. best case scenario is chris threatens to kill himself and gets some really really intense treatment for several months. they may provide therapy in prison but nohing beyond that I'd bet.

 

[John Merston]

Chris is going to be sentenced to like six months with credit for time served. He's shown time and again that he's immune to the consequences of his actions, why should eating barbussy change that? The real question is how long it will take for null to flip the script on Chris and start liking him again.

For the last fucking time, this is not like Chris's past brushes with the law.

Raping a feeble old lady is much more serious than vandalizing a store display and pepper-spraying someone's shirt, and the person he victimized doesn't seem inclined to push the state into reducing the charges the way Snyder did in 2012. Without the possibility of pleading to a lesser charge, Chris is gonna dig his heels in and insist on fighting the charges.

 

[AnOminous]

I love the idea of Chris being in prison for months and months and he's so fucking retarded he doesn't even get that this is what is called CONSEQUENCES. He has no clue he's getting what he deserves.

 

[Mussi]

For the last fucking time, this is not like Chris's past brushes with the law.

Except he's not been charged with rape and there's no indication that he will be. IIRC the only charge that they have on him right now is incest and we all know Barb is too dependent on him to give evidence for anything else.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Well tomorrow's The big day, and whatever happens let us always remember what it was like just before the fall. Thousands of dollars raised in begging, convention tickets and plane tickets ready, bags packed and not to mention Chris had enough money that if he wanted to. He could have spent the weekend at a thousand dollar a night hotel and still have a grand to spend at the con.

And the icing on the cake? Fiona, a boyfriend free girl half Chris's age as opposed to being twice it, legit wanted to jump his bones at the con provided he behaved himself.

It wasn't some kinda joke like one of those shock pranks, like paying a girl a hundred dollars to give a dirty bum a blowjob. Fiona afawk some manipulation from ilj aside legit wanted to be Chris's girlfriend.

For the first time in years, the world was his oyster. Then it was just swept away, to quote Margret Mitchell "Gone with the wind." Now he's sitting in jail with only a few teen novellas (why does the jail commissary have those?) 5he bible the Koran and a Turkish prayer rug to occupy his mind.


Who know what tomorrow holds?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Chris is going to be sentenced to like six months with credit for time served. He's shown time and again that he's immune to the consequences of his actions, why should eating barbussy change that? The real question is how long it will take for null to flip the script on Chris and start liking him again.

That's possible, but I'm still betting on one year. It gives the prosecutor the ability to say "we gave him the maximum sentence" (ignoring that it was downgrading from felony to misdemeanor) while still sparing Chris from the lasting consequences. If I were his attorney I would consider a year a solid win. If he had no priors then a six month sentence would be more understandable.

If he only gets six months then his attorney is a god among men. It's possible, but it will only happen with some serious negotiation skills.

Regarding time served, of course he'll get time served whether he gets 6 months or 60 years. Everyone gets time served, it's the law and it's that way because it's fair.

 

[Chazzed Up]

It's really a shame that sex crimes don't really seem to carry that severe of jailtime in many cases. My issue with it isn't necessarily that such crimes are equivalent to murder, but rather that the underlying reasons that people have for being sexual predators are not likely to be receptive to any kind of rehabilitation. The only reason Chris isn't more of a threat to society is that he's too low IQ and lazy to find a way to position himself for access to someone vulnerable again. The stars kind of aligned to give him a victim that he had immediate access to and who wasn't going to bust him for his advances.

 

[Valkorion]

It's really a shame that sex crimes don't really seem to carry that severe of jailtime in many cases. My issue with it isn't necessarily that such crimes are equivalent to murder, but rather that the underlying reasons that people have for being sexual predators are not likely to be receptive to any kind of rehabilitation. The only reason Chris isn't more of a threat to society is that he's too low IQ and lazy to find a way to position himself for access to someone vulnerable again. The stars kind of aligned to give him a victim that he had immediate access to and who wasn't going to bust him for his advances.

That may be why the sex offender registry exists. As @Pointless Sperg outlined several times in this thread, being on the SOR is tantamout to a long prison sentence, and while not declared as punishment, in practice it is. This is also why Heilberg will fight tooth and nail to keep Chris off it.

 

[Chazzed Up]

That may be why the sex offender registry exists. As @Pointless Sperg outlined several times in this thread, being on the SOR is tantamout to a long prison sentence, and while not declared as punishment, in practice it is. This is also why Heilberg will fight tooth and nail to keep Chris off it.

Yeah, just sounds like quite a few people have expressed that they think Chris will avoid the registry. He probably does belong on it though given his history of being unpredictable and violent.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Yeah, just sounds like quite a few people have expressed that they think Chris will avoid the registry. He probably does belong on it though given his history of being unpredictable and violent.

A sex pest all his life ever since he had a sexual awakening. Damn right he deserves to be labeled as one and made to live like one.

 

[Moppo.]

I vaguely remember reading on this forum that Barb cried while she was getting raped and Chris interpreted it as tears of joy. It could've been some ween making stuff up though. Anyone recall this?

I find it really appalling how Chris think everyone exists just to please him, including his parents.