Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

PBS has a verdict stream up apparently....jumped the gun much?

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

So, apparently, shocking nobody, it isn't going to happen today. So when does the Allen charge happen?

Pretty sure Allen charges aren't allowed in state cases for Wisconsin unfortunately.

Elaborate for non-lawfags?

Last ditch effort to prevent a hung jury, Judge encourages, but can't force, Jurors in the minority to reconsider and change their vote to the majority's.

 

[AnOminous]

Elaborate for non-lawfags?

An Allen charge, or dynamite instruction, is given to a jury that seems deadlocked, and is essentially an instruction that they are to deliberate until they reach a verdict, or don't. It can't actually tell the minority jurors to come to a specific result, but it is intended to get them to do so. It just can't actually say that.

Last ditch effort to prevent a hung jury, Judge encourages, but can't force, Jurors in the minority to reconsider and change their vote to the majority's.

And as you pointed out, the judge can't actually specifically do this, but it isn't actually prohibited, just "discouraged." Here's a law review article about the general subject.

In short, the judge actually probably could issue an Allen charge, and set off an absolute shitstorm.

 

[Mr Bunny]

I am curious about whats the hold up

Are all the extra tacked on charges confusing the jury. I mean if you find the 1st charge as self-defense that must logically mean all the others are as well.

So it's my guess that they're still trying to determine if the 1st shooting was indeed in self-defense.

I'm sticking with my poll choice...Kyle is royally fucked. If the jury was inclined towards self defense it wouldn't take this long. No, they're picking away at the lesser charges which means most likely Kyle is going to jail for at least 15 years.

Poor kid..his whole life gone because some dumb ass DA wants to virtue signal.

There is some speculation is just one Karen being well a Karen, the kind that would fall for the BS argument of he brought a gun therefore he has no right to self-defense.

 

[karadion]

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Are they just dragging this out for theatre at this point?

Maybe they want a third day of free lunches.

 

[HumanHive]

I am curious about whats the hold up

Are all the extra tacked on charges confusing the jury. I mean if you find the 1st charge as self-defense that must logically mean all the others are as well.

So it's my guess that they're still trying to determine if the 1st shooting was indeed in self-defense.

I'm sticking with my poll choice...Kyle is royally fucked. If the jury was inclined towards self defense it wouldn't take this long. No, they're picking away at the lesser charges which means most likely Kyle is going to jail for at least 15 years.

Poor kid..his whole life gone because some dumb ass DA wants to virtue signal.

It’s definitely the first shooting, I agree. The fact that the defense didn’t make a point of there being a huge “reasonable doubt” hill to climb there is disheartening but typical; still it seems the jury is debating that anyway.
I don’t think the holdouts will budge. Hung jury all the way.

 

[RurkerHivemind]

I hate to admit it, but the doomposters seem to be pretty vindicated right now. The judge said right before he sent the jury off, that if the first shooting was justified self-defense, the rest are as well. They've been deliberating for 2 days now, which means either they think the nigga is guilty and are figuring out the exact charges they're gonna hit him with, or the jury is split and they can't come to an agreement. So either we're gonna get a hung jury, or guilty on at least some charges.

Why is it always the doomer faggots who get proven right.
Hell,I fucking hate it when Null pulls that shit in his streams as it seems suicide is the better option as opposed to hoping for a brighter tomorrow.

 

[Estolysis]

I hate to admit it, but the doomposters seem to be pretty vindicated right now. The judge said right before he sent the jury off, that if the first shooting was justified self-defense, the rest are as well. They've been deliberating for 2 days now, which means either they think the nigga is guilty and are figuring out the exact charges they're gonna hit him with, or the jury is split and they can't come to an agreement. So either we're gonna get a hung jury, or guilty on at least some charges.

I still think there's no way we're getting a guilty verdict. The couple holdouts are most likely on the prosecutor's side, I think the majority of the jury is with Kyle. If there's not a verdict tomorrow, it's probably going to be a hung jury.

 

[DelusionTree]

I am curious about whats the hold up

Are all the extra tacked on charges confusing the jury. I mean if you find the 1st charge as self-defense that must logically mean all the others are as well.

So it's my guess that they're still trying to determine if the 1st shooting was indeed in self-defense.

I'm sticking with my poll choice...Kyle is royally fucked. If the jury was inclined towards self defense it wouldn't take this long. No, they're picking away at the lesser charges which means most likely Kyle is going to jail for at least 15 years.

Poor kid..his whole life gone because some dumb ass DA wants to virtue signal.

My thought is that the holdouts are the Guilty ones, the rest of the jury have been trying various ways to convince them.

First with asking for only 1 to 6 of jury instructions, then the rest, then the videos of one armed bandit and finally back to the drone video.
Basically you have to get them to admit where they might be wrong and take the logical baby steps to the next points with them because of how fucking retarded they are.

 

[Puff]

PBS has a verdict stream up apparently....jumped the gun much?

I mean, I had the theory that they broke a half hour early because the jury was done, judge has an appointment and has to be out of there at 5 (this part is confirmed), and the paperwork to finalize would take too long.

 

[bbfx]

That's not Kyle's fault, though. The issue is the only reason this trial exists is so the state of Wisconsin and the local county and police can absolve themselves of responsibility for the rioting. If they had done their jobs and maintained law and order, there would be no/minimal rioting and Kyle would not have been in this situation in the first place. Criminals like Rosenbaum and Jumpkick guy and Gross created the situation and were allowed to because the government didn't do their job. They want to throw Kyle in prison and blame the situation on him and shift attention away from their lack of leadership and action.

If the families of the people shot want some kind of retribution they should sue the state. It's not Kyle's fault he defended himself against their attempts to murder him.

I get it, and I agree, but they're not being asked to judge how the county or the police operated. They're asked whether Kyle was justified in taking someone's life that night.
And I think he was, but it's a lot easier to say so on KF where my opinion doesn't matter than it is for them, both because their opinion actually matters and because of the current climate.
It just seems like some really consequential shit, I wouldn't feel comfortable taking the decision lightheartedly.

The jurors have had 11 days to form an opinion, it is unusual that deliberations take this long when it's such a clear cut case of self-defense. It's taking this long because of the publicity surrounding this trial, the jurors have a lot to consider other than Kyle's guilt.

I'd still want to go over it again probably. Even if everyone agreed on Not guilty I'd want to take the time to look through the evidence and make sure we're not fucking it up.

 

[murph]

Maybe they want a third day of free lunches.

Free Asian lunches! I imagine they want this over. Someone's doing a 12 angry scenario.

 

[FamicomGorby]

If some Karen is on the jury holding out that Kyle's guilty then we're probably looking at a hung jury. Ain't no way in jeebuz ya can get a Karen to change their opinion.

 

[murdered meat bag]

I hate to admit it, but the doomposters seem to be pretty vindicated right now. The judge said right before he sent the jury off, that if the first shooting was justified self-defense, the rest are as well. They've been deliberating for 2 days now, which means either they think the nigga is guilty and are figuring out the exact charges they're gonna hit him with, or the jury is split and they can't come to an agreement. So either we're gonna get a hung jury, or guilty on at least some charges.

theyre looking over pedobaum now.

 

[Ishtar]

Why is it always the doomer faggots who get proven right.
Hell,I fucking hate it when Null pulls that shit in his streams as it seems suicide is the better option as opposed to hoping for a brighter tomorrow.

Honestly? Next time there is an Antifa riot and your being chased down you may as well go out swinging, and kill as many of them as possible. Your fucked anyway, so why not?

 

[Allanon]

A mistrial (without prejudice) can be re-tried. The question is, does the state want to?

They were offered exactly that from the defense today, and the state argued against it. Which I take to mean the Pros thinks it's now or never.

Arguably in the same way that the judge doesn't want to mistrial until he has to, accepting a mistrial now means the prosecution misses the opportunity for a guilty verdict. If they're relying on the judge not declaring mistrial in the case of a guilty verdict, accepting a mistrial before deliberations means accepting a draw when they could have a win. As soon as the jury started deliberating, the judge intervening became way less likely and much less appealing, since at this point they might as well ride it out and see what the jury says before moving forward.

Juries are an outdated idea IMO. The age of mass media and hyperpolarization mean that most jurors are going into cases with deeply held biases. I’d rather judges be directly accountable for decisions made in their courts.

Please see Japan's 99% conviction rate for what it looks like when judges decide guilt instead of juries.

 

[Liber Pater]

Not to fedpost too much, but remember: if self-defense is dead, then you have nothing to lose in the aftermath of a self-defense shooting, and you have nothing to lose when the cops attempt to execute an arrest warrant on you. What you do still have is a firearm.
Do what that information what you will. I'm just discussing hypothetical Minecraft gameplay strategies.

 

[HumanHive]

12 Angry Wh*toids

 

[Übertroon]

I'll say this, the benifit of a trial by judge rather than jury is that the judge will have to write down a reasoning and justification for their decision. With a jury you'll never know why. Perhaps the jury just didn't like your face

 

[LUNEKO]

PBS has a verdict stream up apparently....jumped the gun much?

they said there hasn't been a veredict yet but theyll stream it asap, also

Seems like they put the diversity hire in charge of video feed today