Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[Matt Damon]

I suppose that’s possible. Still a hung trial is a good outcome no? If double jeopardy still applies? Or am I ignorant of some legal nuance?

No, if there's a hung jury, he can be retried at the judge and DA's discretion.

 

[Puff]

I suppose that’s possible. Still a hung trial is a good outcome no? If double jeopardy still applies? Or am I ignorant of some legal nuance?

Hung jury gets another go by prosecution. It's certainly better than a guilty verdict and hopefully the bag of dirty tricks is exhausted. but it's not a total win.

 

[Ishtar]

No, if there's a hung jury, he can be retried at the judge and DA's discretion.

Okay, doesn’t that go against the principal you can’t be retried for the same crime?

 

[Meat Target]

I suppose that’s possible. Still a hung trial is a good outcome no? If double jeopardy still applies? Or am I ignorant of some legal nuance?

A mistrial (without prejudice) can be re-tried. The question is, does the state want to?

They were offered exactly that from the defense today, and the state argued against it. Which I take to mean the Pros thinks it's now or never.

 

[reinigen]

Okay, doesn’t that go against the principal you can’t be retried for the same crime?

That's if you're already acquited. Which a hung jury is neither of those.

 

[bread n circuses]

This completely goes against the point of requiring a unanimous jury decision for murder trials. It is supposed to be difficult to acquit or convict in a murder trial because one way or another someone has died, and the decision decides the fate of a second person's life. What should be done, if anything, is auto-sequester all juries in potentially politically charged trials like this the entirety of the trial, no internet, no tv, just vidya games and movies to entertain them with. Protests that deal with the jury's decision should also be forced to be held out of earshot of the courthouse. Normally I wouldn't approve of 'designated protest areas', but given we've come to a point where political parties try to use protests to intimidate jurors into ruling a certain way, it is the most reasonable response.

Juries are an outdated idea IMO. The age of mass media and hyperpolarization mean that most jurors are going into cases with deeply held biases. I’d rather judges be directly accountable for decisions made in their courts.

 

[Mike Stoklasas Spock Ears]

Are they just dragging this out for theatre at this point?

 

[Puff]

Okay, doesn’t that go against the principal you can’t be retried for the same crime?

The idea is technically it's still the same trial. You were never declared not guilty.
There's some supreme court weirdness that supposedly goes against this idea, but I don't know the details.

 

[DelusionTree]

A mistrial (without prejudice) can be re-tried. The question is, does the state want to?

They were offered exactly that from the defense today, and the state argued against it. Which I take to mean the Pros thinks it's now or never.

It is bizarre they didn't take the mistrial with Binger not too long ago pushing hard to throw it into one.

 

[AnOminous]

So, apparently, shocking nobody, it isn't going to happen today. So when does the Allen charge happen?

 

[Puff]

It is bizarre they didn't take the mistrial with Binger not too long ago pushing hard to throw it into one.

I heard it argued the switch is because they've used all of their dirty shit and think they'll be fucked on a second go.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

So, apparently, shocking nobody, it isn't going to happen today. So when does the Allen charge happen?

Elaborate for non-lawfags?

 

[Mr Bunny]

Juries are an outdated idea IMO. The age of mass media and hyperpolarization mean that most jurors are going into cases with deeply held biases. I’d rather judges be directly accountable for decisions made in their courts.

Judges are just as biased, jurors only become a problem normally when there is a bit more media attention towards a certain case, but even your local drug dealer can give a reasonable threat.

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

I vote for REEEEEEEE

 

[Throwing Romans]

So, apparently, shocking nobody, it isn't going to happen today. So when does the Allen charge happen?

I think the judge wants to sit on this as long as he can without trying to seem like he's interfering, even with something as simple as giving Allen charge.

 

[Allanon]

I think he's using the mistrial as insurance against guilty and he'll never actually use it.

This is probably the case. If he doesn't believe the jury will vote guilty then declaring a mistrial prevents the possibility of the jury returning 'not guilty'. A hung jury would be the same as a mistrial without prejudice anyway, and so there's really no point in the judge doing anything. People are melting down because the judge isn't intervening before the worst and least likely result occurs. He may be justified in pre-empting the jury, but there is really no difference between declaring a mistrial now and declaring a mistrial after a guilty verdict, so why not provide the possibility of a not-guilty verdict first?

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I am curious about whats the hold up

Are all the extra tacked on charges confusing the jury. I mean if you find the 1st charge as self-defense that must logically mean all the others are as well.

So it's my guess that they're still trying to determine if the 1st shooting was indeed in self-defense.

I'm sticking with my poll choice...Kyle is royally fucked. If the jury was inclined towards self defense it wouldn't take this long. No, they're picking away at the lesser charges which means most likely Kyle is going to jail for at least 15 years.

Poor kid..his whole life gone because some dumb ass DA wants to virtue signal.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Judges are just as biased, jurors only become a problem normally when there is a bit more media attention towards a certain case, but even your local drug dealer can give a reasonable threat.

Judges are also equally, if not more, as likely to be biased when their careers are at stake or they were only appointed for political purposes in the first place.

 

[Monster Zero Ultra]

I hate to admit it, but the doomposters seem to be pretty vindicated right now. The judge said right before he sent the jury off, that if the first shooting was justified self-defense, the rest are as well. They've been deliberating for 2 days now, which means either they think the nigga is guilty and are figuring out the exact charges they're gonna hit him with, or the jury is split and they can't come to an agreement. So either we're gonna get a hung jury, or guilty on at least some charges.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Jury deliberations are not designed for live threads following them. Go do something more productive with your time instead of popping pills over every little thing that happens.

But it does make you wish for videos in there.

They are gonna do the most pussy thing imaginable to try and (futilely) save their ass and convict on just one murder.

But even one murder means Kyle is screwed for life and the leftists dance.