Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[mindlessobserver]

Now that we’re at day three hopefully either the hold outs get fed up and capitulate or the judge gives up and it’s a hung jury with mistrial.

As has been established, the hold outs are rich white women who are having the time of their lives. They have no responsibilities to get back to, and get to be the center of attention. This is going to drag out for awhile.

 

[Mr Bunny]

They're the Karen type, has Karen ever given up on seeing the manager?

 

[Gehenna]

They're the Karen type, has Karen ever given up on seeing the manager?

Yes, when put in their place or when worn down to the point it's not worth it.

Keep in mind, it's just the Karens and a bunch of increasingly angry jurors. And those jurors don't have to sit there and take it with a smile like some store clerk.

 

[DaBigBopper]

This song is a perfect example of how I ended up being forced into the right wing. There's just nothing funny or creative like this being made by the pearl-clutchers. Being 100% in it for the memes and lulz just makes you right wing by default and then you find yourself surrounded by genuine retards anyway. Strange times

You sound easily influenced. Want some HRT?

In all seriousness though, memes on /pol/ and here are more or less a way to express frustration. "Niggers lmao" generally is more honest than social and economic factors because no one ever brings up how 60 years of food stamps, free hot lunches, hundreds of charities, and other shit hasn't uplifted people. You can't find overt racism so you have to invent covert. There's a lot more, but I don't think any of this is right-wing. Actual Socialists object to mass immigration because they'll argue that it doesn't help the native population and brings further disparity. Do you see America as pre-Imperial Rome or Pre-Franco Spain?

 

[HTTP Error 404]

They did, stating that the defense not being able to formulate their case around the higher res video constituted an unfair trial and warranted a mistrial without prejudice. IMO, it came off as a desperate move, with them hoping the judge would be less hesitant to accept the motion if it was without prejudice.

It's not desperate at all. It's a blatant Brady violation. If the judge doesn't grant it the Appeals court almost definitely will. That's ignoring the entirely separate Brady violations with Grosskrutz's phone (the prosecutor told the police to NOT complete the search warrant) and Jump Kick Man (the prosecution knew who he was the entire time and lied to the court). Or the blatant prosecutorial misconduct with the 5th Amendment violation and them blatantly ignoring the Judge's orders re: banned evidence.

The Judge is just trying to kick the can down the road so it's someone else's fucking problem. If they acquit, then the it's moot and the Judge can avoid that mess. If they don't, he can then step in (but he won't). Even then, the Appeals court can and will.

He might have wonderful stories and be great at Jeopardy, but this guy's as bad as Chupp.

 

[TheGreatDodongus]

Did we receive any credible information that indicates what exactly the holdup is, or are we still going off of that one rumor and Barnes doing his best Captain Hindsight impression?

 

[JK Rowling]

How is it taking this long?

 

[Rustic Ruthenian]

We will see a dynamite instruction before he declares it a mistrial.

Is this an actual term for specific instruction in the case of a hung jury or just something that will never happen? I‘m still half asleep.

 

[Evilronald]

They're the Karen type, has Karen ever given up on seeing the manager?

If I was on the jury, I would tell Karen I’d never vote to convict on anything and that she can either get the rioting and unrest over with now or have there be a mistrial and have an even bigger riot and unrest. Until they acquit Kyle, there can be no healing in Kenosha. Kyle is innocent of all charges, so even if they somehow convicted him now there will be way more unrest when he eventually wins his appeal. Acquittal on the first trial is the way that results in the least chaos.

 

[Gehenna]

Did we receive any credible information that indicates what exactly the holdup is, or are we still going off of that one rumor and Barnes doing his best Captain Hindsight impression?

A "Karen" is the most likely holdout based on demographics, and we have both the Posobiec tweet and a few court reporters noting that some likely Karen's look the most frustrated upon leaving.

So it's all circumstantial evidence, but increasingly all circumstantial evidence that goes one way.

 

[garum expert]

You sound easily influenced. Want some HRT?

In all seriousness though, memes on /pol/ and here are more or less a way to express frustration. "Niggers lmao" generally is more honest than social and economic factors because no one ever brings up how 60 years of food stamps, free hot lunches, hundreds of charities, and other shit hasn't uplifted people. You can't find overt racism so you have to invent covert. There's a lot more, but I don't think any of this is right-wing. Actual Socialists object to mass immigration because they'll argue that it doesn't help the native population and brings further disparity. Do you see America as pre-Imperial Rome or Pre-Franco Spain?

I more meant hanging out on chans and KF and reading rants about niggers and jews much more than I read anything by the left. More the places I find myself and the company I keep online than my opinions on the economy, which probably would be considered socialist (especially by Americans). I see America as more Pre-Franco Spain, but I don't follow..

 

[Gehenna]

Is this an actual term for specific instruction in the case of a hung jury or just something that will never happen? I‘m still half asleep.

Yes, it is a specific instruction. It is when the judge orders that the jury stay and deliberate until they come to a conclusion, no leaving, no nothing. They will be sent food and water and they don't leave until they resolve the issue.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

A "Karen" is the most likely holdout based on demographics, and we have both the Posobiec tweet and a few court reporters noting that some likely Karen's look the most frustrated upon leaving.

So it's all circumstantial evidence, but increasingly all circumstantial evidence that goes one way.

Can't think of anyone other than Karen who would answer the question "Do you really want to lock up this boy for life for defending himself because you don't like guns?" with "Yes"
Because that's probably what's being said at this point

 

[Ceral Funt]

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Noted. This is all new information to me and what I initially stated was what I'd gathered from a cursory overview of the facts.

So the weapon was in Kenosha already and the argument of self-defense is being made. That dramatically changes the light in which my original assumptions were made. Still, I believe that even if it was in self-defense, something like manslaughter (maybe involuntary) might be applicable here?

Again, I've noticed that both sides of the media have done their shit best to demonize both sides of the conflict here, and in my particular point of view, the focus of the case should be the incident itself, not the particular background of any of the parties.

Let it be clearly noted that this is MY OWN personal opinion and that it has no legal weight or bearing on the current proceedings, but regardless of what either men did or didn't do, lives were taken that day, and even if it was justifiable self-defense, there should be some sort of repercussion or consequence to the author of said actions.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Can't think of anyone other than Karen who would answer the question "Do you really want to lock up this boy for life for defending himself because you don't like guns?" with "Yes"
Because that's probably what's being said at this point

That's not how it's going. You know it's more like:

"Do you really want to lock up this boy for life for defending himself because you don't like guns?" ​

"He had a gun!"​

"Yes, and he was defending himself with it!"​

"There will be riots! We're being threatened!"​

"There will be riots either way!"​

"But we need to convict him!"​

Repeat ad nauseum.

On the other hand, Karens are infamously not fond of being in uncomfortable situations they can't just screech their way out of. I'm sure the holdouts are already extremely uncomfortable being cooped up in a room with a bunch of strangers they at best see as beneath them (or at worst outright evil). If the other jurors hold out, we might get something out of it. Otherwise, it'll just be a hung jury and that's that. The retrial goes to Schroeder, the defense already knows the only angle of attack the prosecution has, and this whole circus happens again in a few weeks/months.

So the weapon was in Kenosha already and the argument of self-defense is being made. That dramatically changes the light in which my original assumptions were made. Still, I believe that even if it was in self-defense, something like manslaughter (maybe involuntary) might be applicable here?

Not if the prosecution didn't charge him with it. They attempted to charge him with murder, which implies premeditation or at least intent. The jury can't change the charge, they can only evaluate the fact and state whether or not they think the person is guilty of what counts they're being charged with.

[...] regardless of what either men did or didn't do, lives were taken that day, and even if it was justifiable self-defense, there should be some sort of repercussion or consequence to the author of said actions.

Rittenhouse has already lost a year of his life. He has likely also lost most of his friends. He has PTSD. He lives in a nation where a sizeable percentage of the population would be fine with him being brutally murdered by a vigilante for defending himself. He's a marked man and it's very likely he lost his future already because he'll never be an EMT or a fireman as he was being trained to be. These are consequences enough for defending yourself against people who were willing to kill you.

 

[DaBigBopper]

I see America as more Pre-Franco Spain, but I don't follow..

It's a bit of a non-sequitur, but I see the 'Alt-Right' or 'Hard Right' as a misnomer. A lot of it's realizing that importing voters or cheap labor isn't a sustainable practice, or that it actively accelerates a fall. People are being grouped with the Right for no reason. Glen Grenwald is a literal homosexual who leans socialist, but he's associated with the Right because he didn't like that Obama was a Chicago politician on a national scale so he's now a political traitor.

I'm more this is similar to Pre-Franco Spain, so many agitators are either bought and paid for by foreign interests or true believers in Maoism or some shit. The Republicans of Spain were basically a Soviet Puppet government if you look deep enough. Courts and other shit was controlled so that Justice was levied in an openly biased manner like now with DAs not pressing charged. You had more than a few political dissidents assassinated by non-elected officials, I forget who some autist here probably knows, but there was one case of a Intelligence officer killing a mildly popular right-wing figure. Even the election leading to the coup was wildly contested.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

Judge should've been made aware of how public this case is and implications of it before the trial started, that's a failure on defense's part I suppose. This is another thing where Barnes is on the money.
It's like Schroeder was living under a rock.

It's different for old fucks who don't live their lives on twitter.

Let it be clearly noted that this is MY OWN personal opinion and that it has no legal weight or bearing on the current proceedings, but regardless of what either men did or didn't do, lives were taken that day, and even if it was justifiable self-defense, there should be some sort of repercussion or consequence to the author of said actions.

The authors of "said actions" have faced their consequences. Two were killed and the other lost his fapping bicep. Try to keep up eh?

 

[namelesstacotruck]

Think about it:

Defense just offered a mistrial without prejudice, and Pros

no, people are shitting on them because they're approaching it wrong. what they should be doing is making it abundantly clear how underhanded and illegally the prosecution has acted and demand a mistrial with prejudice followed by sanctions against the prosecution for blatant and intentional violations of the law.

That way you put the prosecution on the backfoot of explaining themselves and reframe the entire thing not as a political trial the judge is afraid to intervene in, to a blatant and intentional case of misconduct that the judge has to intervene in. It opens an entire new vector to just flat get all the charges dropped and also has the strength that it puts the prosecution on the defense.

But with that said, as insanely insidious and malicious the prosecution is and how they should be stoned for it, I think people getting mad is just cause jury is deliberating and they have nothing to do but sit and say what should happen

They arent fighting this so hard because lawyers never want to go scorched earth because both of them know they will probably be across from Binger and Schroeder in 2 weeks again.

Richards calling Binger a liar alone was a huge deal and he only crossed that line cause he already knew he had a Brady violation.

 

[TheGreatDodongus]

Let it be clearly noted that this is MY OWN personal opinion and that it has no legal weight or bearing on the current proceedings, but regardless of what either men did or didn't do, lives were taken that day, and even if it was justifiable self-defense, there should be some sort of repercussion or consequence to the author of said actions.

Does this sentiment hold true for you in all cases of self defense? If a woman walks into a bad neighborhood and ends up defending herself from a would be mugger, should she be held accountable if she takes their life in the process of doing so?

If the answer is no, you should ask yourself what it is that motivates your fence-sitting on this issue.

 

[obsdj]

Noted. This is all new information to me and what I initially stated was what I'd gathered from a cursory overview of the facts.

My ass. You "gathered" it from people spewing bullshit on Twitter.